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"The New Alliance emerging from current culture wars."


          

I wanted to identify what I'm calling the new alliance that's resulted from the increased polarization in western culture. We're witnessing the horseshoe effect:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horseshoe_theory

In the present day context...I contend that identity politics are driving both sides in equal measure. The current culture wars are scary as hell. I contend that we can gain a better understanding of what's going on by abandoning the right/left dynamics we are most familiar with. We need to start seeing the world in terms of anti-intellectualism vs intellectualism. Authoritarianism vs freedom. Diversity of viewpoint vs hegemony. Our right/left narratives can't account for a nuanced understanding of these conflicts.

In anycase...like many others...I identify as what's being called as the 'homeless left' as a classic liberal. I don't support the modern leftists of our time in the same way many conservatives don't support the Tea Party. I've been repeatedly accused of being alt-right, white supremacist, neo-nazi on this board the past few months. I started searching twitter and wanted to put together a list of pundits, professors, youtubers, journalists and activists that are forming a centrist alliance that I think is opening up a new idealogical space where liberals and conservatives can unite in resisting the growing extremist contingents on both sides. These individuals have also been accused of being alt-right, white supremacists, etc...obviously, they're also not accepted by those elements of the far-right that they are accused of being part of either. All of them have interacted with each other more and more....partly because they share a common experience of being targeted by extremists for allegedly being racist, sexist and/or homophobic in some way. Also....all of them have attempted to speak publically while people defiantly snapped their fingers.

Steven Pinker
https://twitter.com/sapinker
liberal psychology prof in a John Stuart Mill mode. Wrote several books pointing to what I think are some of the central tenets of the new alliance: The Blank Slate, The Language Instinct, Words and Rules.

Brett Weinstein
https://twitter.com/bretweinstein?lang=en
Far left evolutionary biology prof at the center of recent Evergreen student protests.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4J3TGNE8Uw

Glenn Loury
http://www.glennloury.com/about-me/
Right-Center Economics prof who has written alot about racial equality.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAbjH9CK75g

John Mcwhorter
https://twitter.com/JohnHMcWhorter
Liberal Linguistics professor who has podcast with Glenn Loury (above). Also writes for the Atlantic and Slate. My personal fave on this list.
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/06/a-columbia-professors-critique-of-campus-politics/532335/

Nicolas Christakis
https://twitter.com/NAChristakis
Leftist sociology prof made famous by Yale Halloween protests after which he and his wife resigned from Yale.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hiMVx2C5_Wg

Dave Rubin
https://twitter.com/RubinReport
Former member of the Young turks before he became disillusioned with progressive leftists and started a classic liberal youtube channel.
https://www.youtube.com/user/RubinReport

Gad Saad
Conservative evolutionary behavioral prof. Mistakenly thinks he's funny. Spends alot of energy making elaborate jokes about the social justice warrior archetype. Can't deny he has a presence in this world though.
https://twitter.com/GadSaad

Sam Harris
https://twitter.com/SamHarrisOrg
Liberal neuroscientist who writes alot about islam. Often characterized as islamaphobic. Televised beefs with Ben Affleck and Reza Azlan:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKjcvZoxT9Q

Richard Dawkins
https://twitter.com/RichardDawkins
Liberal evolutionary biologist who aggressively advocates for atheism in popular media. Was recently shut down at Berkeley by leftist activists.

Maajid Nawaz
https://twitter.com/MaajidNawaz
Liberal activist and author who wrote an autobiography about transitioning from muslim extremist to a liberal democrat that caused controversy. Recently labelled as islamaphobic extremist by SLPC.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlAw7qYLk5w

Jordan Peterson
https://twitter.com/jordanbpeterson
Right-Center clinical psychologist prof who undertook a public campaign to fight political correctness on school campuses. Particularly in fields of transgender studies, women's studies, race studies.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYtzFBI-INU

Ayaan Hirsi Ali
https://twitter.com/Ayaan
leftist activist who wrote an autobiography of her experience of escaping an extremist muslim upbringing. Works to create public awareness of female genital mutilation. Recently identified as spreading islamaphobic propaganda by the SLPC.

Christina Sommers
https://twitter.com/CHSommers
Liberal philosophy prof and youtuber who strongly advocates the abandonment of third wave feminism. AKA 'Based Mom', 'Factual Feminist'.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYpELqKZ02Q

David Frum
https://twitter.com/davidfrum
Conservative journalist who used to write speeches for George Bush. Senior editor of the Atlantic who I'd argue has recently defined his legacy through his tireless critical analysis of Donald Trump. Which perhaps makes him one of the most important journalists in American history. (ok I'm biased) Interview with Sam Harris:
https://www.samharris.org/podcast/item/were-all-cucks-now

Laci Greene
https://twitter.com/gogreen18
Far left feminist activist who was the most followed feminist youtuber until recently. She took a hiatus from her channel and returned with a controversial episode in which she began questioning some of the idealogical tenets of the feminism she became popular by advocating for. Has since been attacked and harassed endlessly by former associates.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQ1ga8yuM50

Steven Fry
https://twitter.com/stephenfry
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJQHakkViPo

John Cleese
https://twitter.com/JohnCleese
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAK0KXEpF8U

Joe Rogan
left-center comedian and tv/radio personality.
https://www.youtube.com/user/PowerfulJRE

Bill Maher
Not active on Twitter but we know the show.

They're all interacting on twitter, youtube, tv and radio. The gang needs a name.

  

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The New Alliance emerging from current culture wars. [View all] , denny, Sat Aug-26-17 08:33 AM
 
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so a bunch of famous people have critics
Aug 26th 2017
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The Axis of Shitheads
Aug 26th 2017
2
What website did you copy and paste this from?
Aug 26th 2017
3
I didnt
Aug 27th 2017
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      Nah
Aug 27th 2017
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           Pussy
Aug 27th 2017
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                Yup
Aug 27th 2017
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                     In the meantime....
Aug 27th 2017
45
                          Dogg...I don't even know wtf you're saying in the OP
Aug 27th 2017
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                               They have formed a 'friend group'.
Aug 27th 2017
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                                    You didnt answer the ques. What's the ideology of this ideological group...
Aug 27th 2017
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                                         Classic Liberalism.
Aug 27th 2017
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Smoke some weed dude
Aug 26th 2017
4
RE: The New Alliance emerging from current culture wars.
Aug 26th 2017
5
I like how you say you want a more nuanced understanding of conflicts
Aug 26th 2017
6
there's nothing funnier. you can't pay for this shit
Aug 26th 2017
10
Say it one mo 'gin!
Aug 26th 2017
11
Basic eh?
Aug 27th 2017
20
Are you fucking trolling now?
Aug 26th 2017
7
Are you capable of committing yourself to a specific argument?
Aug 27th 2017
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      Here's one: horseshoe theory is shit and so is anyone subscribing to it.
Aug 27th 2017
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           Stalin vs Hitler.
Aug 27th 2017
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                TKO by Stalin in round two.
Aug 27th 2017
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                     I'm gonna share this thread.
Aug 27th 2017
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                          Bye!
Aug 27th 2017
44
                               lol You didn't debate.
Aug 27th 2017
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                                    Oh boy it really gets to you, wow.
Aug 27th 2017
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                                         RE: Oh boy it really gets to you, wow.
Aug 27th 2017
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BarTek :(
Aug 26th 2017
8
Damn, not for nothin but...
Aug 26th 2017
13
Another white man saying "both sides".
Aug 26th 2017
9
lol
Aug 27th 2017
18
If you think Frum is important
Aug 26th 2017
12
WTF is this post supposed to be exactly?
Aug 27th 2017
14
RE: WTF is this post supposed to be exactly?
Aug 27th 2017
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      "classic liberalism" is soft guy code for "white dude opinions"
Aug 27th 2017
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      Whoop there it is.
Aug 27th 2017
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           the connotations of classical liberalism are perfectly clear
Aug 27th 2017
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           RE: the connotations of classical liberalism are perfectly clear
Aug 27th 2017
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           RE: the connotations of classical liberalism are perfectly clear
Aug 27th 2017
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                oops
Aug 27th 2017
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                RE: the connotations of classical liberalism are perfectly clear
Aug 27th 2017
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                     you obviously aren't reading much
Aug 27th 2017
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                     I think I'm going to call it "regressive liberalism" from here on out.
Aug 27th 2017
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                     Where were you born Backbone?
Aug 27th 2017
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                     bingo.
Aug 27th 2017
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                     RE: bingo.
Aug 29th 2017
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                     RE: you obviously aren't reading much
Aug 27th 2017
85
                     kind of an aside to all this, but what is this supposed to mean?
Aug 30th 2017
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                          RE: kind of an aside to all this, but what is this supposed to mean?
Sep 02nd 2017
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                               RE: kind of an aside to all this, but what is this supposed to mean?
Sep 03rd 2017
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                                    Einstein was a patent clerk when he wrote those first papers.
Sep 03rd 2017
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                                         he had a PhD in physics & numerous published papers in physics journals
Sep 07th 2017
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                                              I may have provided a bad example.
Sep 07th 2017
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           Thanks for saving me the keystrokes.
Aug 27th 2017
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           classical liberals also invented whiteness btw.
Aug 27th 2017
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                That doesn't mean anything.
Aug 27th 2017
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                     literally, whiteness as a category emerged from the same context
Aug 27th 2017
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                          I think we agree here though.
Aug 27th 2017
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                               no. whiteness is not postmodern.
Aug 27th 2017
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                                    Funny how that works.
Aug 27th 2017
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                                         w.e.b. dubois was writing about the invention of whiteness 100 years ago...
Aug 27th 2017
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                                              Yah I know.
Aug 27th 2017
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                                                   you can do the same thing for the word internet
Aug 27th 2017
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                                                   RE: you can do the same thing for the word internet
Aug 27th 2017
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                                                        whiteness is a technology too.
Aug 27th 2017
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                                                             What the fuck kinda nonsense are you talking about?
Aug 27th 2017
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                                                   re: I don't think Dubois was using 'whiteness' as a racist term.
Aug 27th 2017
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                                                        Lynching and Jim Crow.
Aug 27th 2017
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      Yall are going poast when the crux of this post aint that deep....
Aug 28th 2017
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           Thanks
Sep 07th 2017
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Thats wonderful but...
Aug 27th 2017
15
Who specifically is alt-right?
Aug 27th 2017
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      YOU are and don't act like we don't see it nm
Aug 27th 2017
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           You're not getting off that easy....
Aug 27th 2017
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Damn Postmodernism Identity politics made
Aug 27th 2017
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Agreed. lol
Aug 27th 2017
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      "the rise of white identity politics"
Aug 27th 2017
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           He predicted it before that
Aug 27th 2017
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           You don't think we're seeing a change now?
Aug 27th 2017
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                we're always seeing a change
Aug 27th 2017
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DSA New Orleans is offering free brakelight replacement 8/26-9/16
Aug 27th 2017
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white people violently opposed to Nazis are pretty crazy to me*
Aug 27th 2017
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I don't support Trump's 'both sides' argument.
Aug 27th 2017
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      except the horseshoe theory is what you say you're not doing
Aug 27th 2017
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           RE: except the horseshoe theory is what you say you're not doing
Aug 27th 2017
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                oh, so you're trolling. im done here
Aug 27th 2017
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                     I'll be right here when you're ready to talk lol.
Aug 27th 2017
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                          im not trying anything actually. have a great day
Aug 27th 2017
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                               I'm supposed to be upset that you're disengaging.....
Aug 27th 2017
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                                    it's amazing you think Im the immature one here.
Aug 27th 2017
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                                         I'm not the white guy that fucked your girl.
Aug 27th 2017
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                                              ah, so you double down when the trolling fails
Aug 27th 2017
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                                                   Dude....I'm alt-right. I'm a nazi.
Aug 27th 2017
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                                                        I havent called you alt-right or a Nazi
Aug 27th 2017
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                                                             You co-signed the suggestion that I'm sympathetic to Nazis.
Aug 27th 2017
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                                                                  not sure what to tell you. everyone is conflicted about things in life
Aug 27th 2017
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fish hook theory makes more sense
Aug 27th 2017
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It might.
Aug 27th 2017
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in what world is mcwhorter a liberal?
Aug 28th 2017
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Scary time to be a white man who thought he knew it all.
Aug 28th 2017
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LOL, i know right? He needs to be teaching other white people then
Aug 28th 2017
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you can't tell this motherfucker shit lol
Aug 28th 2017
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Uh...I'm the one who saw all this coming.
Aug 29th 2017
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      *smh*
Aug 29th 2017
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           I'm genuinely curious....
Aug 29th 2017
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Jesus christ
Aug 28th 2017
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oh he is.
Aug 29th 2017
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RE: Jesus christ
Aug 30th 2017
113
Sosphist was the perfect description for this
Aug 28th 2017
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Yeah, I'm not gonna get into a deep dive of the links
Aug 28th 2017
97
Ahhh...I'm too tired to respond. Will do so in time.
Aug 29th 2017
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RE: Yeah, I'm not gonna get into a deep dive of the links
Sep 07th 2017
170
      I think you misunderstood my response but...
Sep 07th 2017
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Mcwhorter - liberal lol
Aug 28th 2017
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I'll respond because this is the second time this point's been made
Aug 29th 2017
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      RE: I'll respond because this is the second time this point's been made
Aug 30th 2017
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y'all will remember I told you about denny a long time ago
Aug 28th 2017
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2 Things.
Aug 28th 2017
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his name is denny
Aug 28th 2017
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OKP apparently hates liberalism.
Aug 29th 2017
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No, OKP just hates *you*, and that last sentence is why.
Aug 29th 2017
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      RE: No, OKP just hates *you*, and that last sentence is why.
Aug 29th 2017
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           Only word I read was "denny". Your thoughts aren't worth considering.
Aug 30th 2017
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https://twitter.com/DragonflyJonez/status/903012162314100737
Aug 30th 2017
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Joe Rogan with Brett Weinstein and Jordan Peterson:
Sep 02nd 2017
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please stop already
Sep 02nd 2017
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RE: please stop already
Sep 02nd 2017
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      Fuck all this covert alt-right bullshit you spew
Sep 02nd 2017
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      you're splitting hairs on the difference between Nazi/white nationalist
Sep 02nd 2017
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ctrl-left?
Sep 02nd 2017
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No I think it started circulating a couple weeks ago.
Sep 02nd 2017
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      i suppose it's catchy enough
Sep 02nd 2017
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           it's actually stupidity
Sep 02nd 2017
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                So Liberal activists who don't serve any practical function.
Sep 02nd 2017
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                let's not be stupid
Sep 02nd 2017
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                doesn't matter. it's simple, catchy and says 'control'
Sep 02nd 2017
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                     it's literally the only reason the term exists
Sep 02nd 2017
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                          I'm saying the key functions are irrelevant
Sep 02nd 2017
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                          It works on a few levels.
Sep 02nd 2017
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                               yeah Im not reading that at all
Sep 02nd 2017
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                               i doubt who ever came up with that thought about it in much detail
Sep 02nd 2017
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                                    Libtard and CTRL-left are NOT interchangeable.
Sep 02nd 2017
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                                         You're overthinking it lol
Sep 02nd 2017
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                                              Perhaps....
Sep 03rd 2017
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Seems kinda tenuous to me
Sep 02nd 2017
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      Are you referring to the video?
Sep 02nd 2017
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           the latter, as a connection between the two groups
Sep 04th 2017
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                It's not tenuous.
Sep 06th 2017
166
Den, all those years of chronic hard drug use.....
Sep 02nd 2017
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Speaking my truth.
Sep 02nd 2017
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      another late pass i guess.
Sep 03rd 2017
143
      The level of analysis is staggering.
Sep 03rd 2017
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           And for perspective....
Sep 03rd 2017
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           So... Cuck, AND "Pepe the Frog is misunderstood"
Sep 03rd 2017
148
                Alas...
Sep 03rd 2017
151
                Eh... this is just as ridiculous as the non nazis in charlottesville
Sep 03rd 2017
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                This is a morality play.
Sep 04th 2017
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                     most people dont care about your bullshit
Sep 04th 2017
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                     I'm not "offended" by you saying cuck. Grow the fuck up
Sep 04th 2017
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                find me a place with half as many cucks and pepe's
Sep 04th 2017
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                I told y'all.
Sep 04th 2017
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      RE: Speaking my truth.
Sep 03rd 2017
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      In my defence....
Sep 03rd 2017
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           Stop crying and telling lies
Sep 04th 2017
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           Stfu.. lol
Sep 04th 2017
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           araguin boi wrote a detailed, respectful response in 97
Sep 05th 2017
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                I forgot about that.
Sep 07th 2017
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      you'll notice they always turn "guilt" into "guilt by association"
Sep 04th 2017
155
The same conservation is happening everywhere:
Sep 03rd 2017
144
her glasses are ridiculous...
Sep 05th 2017
164
RE: The New Alliance emerging from current culture wars.
Sep 05th 2017
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I put Joe on the list for a reason.
Sep 06th 2017
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      RE: I put Joe on the list for a reason.
Sep 07th 2017
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           RE: I put Joe on the list for a reason.
Sep 07th 2017
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           RE: I put Joe on the list for a reason.
Sep 07th 2017
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                Hmmm...
Sep 07th 2017
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           A couple links about the legitimacy of evo pysch
Sep 07th 2017
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           In regards to MRA:
Sep 07th 2017
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thank you whichever moderator deleted the sequel
Oct 06th 2017
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Missed this the first time and made the mistake of replying in
Oct 06th 2017
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So which is it?
Oct 06th 2017
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      The trend of pundits ignoring reality to cry about kids at elite schools
Oct 06th 2017
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           Fair enough.
Oct 06th 2017
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Psst.
Oct 06th 2017
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      I'd love if the mods could delete this one too and ban you
Oct 07th 2017
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           That hurts. (no it doesn't)
Oct 07th 2017
189
couldve sworn i had a response to this post
Oct 06th 2017
186
I had tried to respond to something you said.
Oct 06th 2017
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