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"iraq war vet: the hurt locker is inaccurate and unrealistic (swipe)"


  

          

my hurt locker hate campaign continues. basically, this iraq war veteran echoes my views of the film. i don't care about the accuracy of the uniforms, but i did think the whole storyline about renner's character going jack bauer through the streets of baghdad was ridiculous. i mean, look, it was a good movie, no doubt. and it had four or five absolutely fantastic action scenes. but the overall story was lacking. i have no idea why this movie has critics and hollywood insiders (everyone but audiences) absolutely head over heels.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/kate-hoit/the-hurt-locker-doesnt-ge_b_449043.html

The Hurt Locker Doesn't Get This Vet's Vote
Kate Hoit
Iraq War Veteran, VoteVets.org
Posted: February 4, 2010 09:20 AM

Military personnel everywhere should be celebrating: the war flick The Hurt Locker has been nominated for nine Oscar's. American's were so curious about the war and the soldiers who fight in it they bought 10 dollar movie tickets. The Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences thinks it's worthy; finally soldiers of the Iraq war have been embraced. Problem is, it's Hollywood's version of the Iraq war and of the soldiers who fight it. And their version is inaccurate.

The year is 2004, the Baghdad streets are clean, almost too clean, and dust lingers in the air, soldiers appear...in the wrong uniform. Soldiers deployed to Iraq in 2004, the year The Hurt Locker was suppose to take place, were not wearing the Army Combat Uniform. I should know I was there. We still wore the Desert Camouflage Uniform. How hard would it have been to get this correct? Apparently so hard that no one working on the movie could be bothered to consult anyone with knowledge on military dress, or visit the local surplus store. Congratulations, what seemed like a would-be decent military movie to those who had actually served was now automatically ruined within the first few minutes. And for future reference, military personnel do not roll their sleeves up in a combat zone.

No, the EOD (Explosive Ordnance Disposal) team would not roll out into the middle of Iraq practically by themselves. The Hurt Locker made it seem like the EOD team were taking on the streets of Baghdad; just them against a world of improvised explosive devices. However, this is when I realized the script writers were lazy. This movie is a full-throttle adrenaline rush that is comprised of ditching common sense and the realities of war. The writers did not attempt to formulate a story based on the actual job of an EOD soldier. Instead, they created a war junky, sniper, commando guy who relied on no one (and no radios?) and stressed out everyone around him, including those watching the movie.

Sergeant First Class William James, played by Jeremy Renner, befriends a young Iraqi boy, Beckham, who sold him poorly pirated movies. I will admit Hollywood got two things right: Iraqis typically sold horribly pirated movies but soldiers usually still continued to buy them. And with this friendship, The Hurt Locker, tapped into the more human side of war; the unique bond between some soldiers and Iraqis. However, this relationship set the stage for one of the best "this is total crap" scenes in the movie.

James forces a merchant, for whom Beckham works at Camp Victory, to drive him to Beckham's house (James believes Beckham has been killed and gutted to fit an unexploded bomb inside of his body). James makes his way to Beckham's house and demands to know what exactly happened to Beckham. Well, he never finds out because he is kicked out. James ride has left him and he has no other chose but to run back to Camp Victory. Throwing up the hood of the sweatshirt, he runs through the streets of Baghdad. While I watched that scene I automatically thought, there isn't a soldier in the world who would leave their base and run through Baghdad unless they were trying to commit suicide. I laughed out loud in the theater, like, could anyone actually believe this. When James finally reaches Camp Victory, a sympathetic soldier on guard duty lets him on base. So, let me get this straight. We have an American soldier running through Iraq in a hooded sweatshirt, trying to find out what happened to a kid who sold bootleg movies, and a sweet soldier who just let's James waltz on base? Bravo Hollywood; that was pure magical bullshit.

When James returns from Iraq and attempts to adjust to normal civilian life, The Hurt Locker, got it right: home isn't so sweet and readjusting is tough. James struggled to raise his children with his wife. Hell, he had trouble deciding what cereal to buy at the grocery store. James realized there was only "one thing" that he loved and that was military life. So, he went back to Iraq. This happens more then some would believe.

Aside from incorrect uniforms and how they were worn, what patches an EOD soldier would have on their uniform, who would accompany EOD on a mission, proper weapons, and showing NCOs (Noncommissioned Officers) drinking alcohol in a war zone, this movie resonated with many. My civilian friends "loved it", called it "awesome", and even told me I have "large balls" for going over there (to which I responded with, "uhh thanks.")

The Hurt Locker, is in many ways inaccurate. And the inaccuracies have alienated most service members from enjoying this movie. However, it is better then a lot of the recent war movies that have been released. Do I even have to mention Stop-Loss? Awful. James played a Hollywood soldier that was fearless, reckless, and is now the face of the 21st century G.I. Joe. And who doesn't love G.I. Joe, right?

"i smack clowns with nouns, punch herbs with verbs..."

  

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did he think it was a documentary?
Feb 04th 2010
1
REPOST: My interview with OKP Jay Doz on this exact same subject.
Feb 04th 2010
2
good stuff. i'm starting to get the vets' beef with the uniforms.
Feb 05th 2010
10
good shit
Feb 05th 2010
14
haha, that article got me in so much trouble**
Feb 09th 2010
97
      FOR THE RECORD I FELT BAD ABOUT IT!
Feb 10th 2010
99
      it was a great interview though
Feb 10th 2010
100
its a movie
Feb 05th 2010
3
Aside from the inaccuracies....
Feb 05th 2010
4
The theme is pretty fucking spelled out.
Feb 05th 2010
5
i agree with this
Feb 05th 2010
11
Considering it's up against Avatar for best picture,
Feb 05th 2010
15
Well said
Feb 09th 2010
87
WAR IS A DRUG....
Feb 06th 2010
23
my brother said the same thing
Feb 05th 2010
6
Even with zero experience of Iraq
Feb 05th 2010
7
I don't see the point
Feb 05th 2010
8
if you approach it as an action movie, it's enjoyable
Feb 05th 2010
12
moviegoers: the hurt locker is a movie (no swipe)
Feb 05th 2010
9
LOL
Feb 05th 2010
22
"It's unrealistic as fuck. Deal with it."
Feb 08th 2010
53
      "And who are you?
Feb 08th 2010
55
The reviewer never explains why the inaccuracies are important..
Feb 05th 2010
13
she/her
Feb 27th 2010
116
it's pretty implausible
Feb 05th 2010
16
She's pretty cute, therefore I agree with all she says
Feb 05th 2010
17
wasn't she in abu gharaib?
Feb 05th 2010
18
RE: She's pretty cute, therefore I agree with all she says
Feb 05th 2010
20
yuck
Feb 06th 2010
34
And she's Airborne...I dig.
Feb 07th 2010
37
      ^^^focused
Feb 07th 2010
43
Police officer hates most movies about cops.
Feb 05th 2010
19
i heard cops love the wire though
Feb 05th 2010
21
      yep yep
Feb 06th 2010
24
           Coppola said, "My film is Vietnam."
Feb 06th 2010
28
                He was as mad as Kurtz
Feb 06th 2010
33
won't this always be the case?
Feb 06th 2010
25
Not really, see BlackHawk Down, SPR, Band of Brothers, Platoon
Feb 06th 2010
27
My Beef is that combat's already tenseful, suspenful and emotionally cha...
Feb 06th 2010
26
The Hurt Locker would never have been made.
Feb 06th 2010
29
      It would have been *harder* to make but it's still about the people in i...
Feb 07th 2010
36
           yet you think Saving Private Ryan was realistic?
Feb 09th 2010
89
                Compared to the Hurt Locker? Fuck and Yes
Feb 09th 2010
90
                     i don't get why this is so hard for folks to get
Feb 09th 2010
96
                     cuz you're complaining THL is unrealistic but then say SPR is realistic
Feb 11th 2010
105
                     what makes SPR so unrealistic?
Feb 11th 2010
109
                     nope
Mar 03rd 2010
121
                     give me a break.
Feb 11th 2010
106
                          Ok, explain
Feb 11th 2010
108
Sorry, but this is bullshit
Feb 06th 2010
30
no it's not
Feb 06th 2010
31
      ^^^^Gets It^^^^
Feb 06th 2010
32
      No
Feb 06th 2010
35
           This is the part you are missing.
Feb 07th 2010
38
                No, I'm actually not missing a thing
Feb 07th 2010
42
                     Okay, Player
Feb 07th 2010
45
                          *salutes this post*
Feb 08th 2010
49
                          Look, I ain't here to disrespect soldiers
Feb 08th 2010
57
                               wait, what success?
Feb 08th 2010
66
                               So you agree that you have an anti-critic agenda here.
Feb 08th 2010
71
                                    i have an anti-mediocre films winning oscars agenda
Feb 09th 2010
75
                                         Well, you may be crying in your beer come March 7
Feb 09th 2010
77
                                              i very well may be
Feb 09th 2010
82
                                                   All you, dawg
Mar 08th 2010
142
                               If you are going use us for your stories, at least get us right
Feb 09th 2010
84
                                    Caricatures? The motherfucker was embedded with soldiers in Iraq
Feb 09th 2010
86
                                    So the fuck what!? Fucker couldn't even write soldiers who spoke
Feb 09th 2010
88
                                    Time said that?
Feb 09th 2010
94
                                         RE: Time said that?
Feb 26th 2010
112
                                    Yes, it is too much to ask for a lot of artists.
Mar 07th 2010
140
Artsy fartsies are COPPIN PLEAS for how "its just fiction"
Feb 07th 2010
39
lol you STAY going in on the avant-garde aspects of this board man
Feb 07th 2010
40
yep
Feb 07th 2010
41
Correct
Feb 07th 2010
44
Let the smear campaign begin . . .
Feb 07th 2010
46
WGAF
Feb 07th 2010
47
If...
Feb 08th 2010
50
"It's unrealistic as fuck. Deal with it."
Feb 08th 2010
52
"And who are you?"
Feb 08th 2010
54
Training Day strikes me as a perfect analogy.
Feb 27th 2010
117
another vet pulls down his pants to dump on hurt locker (swipe)
Feb 08th 2010
48
Batman wasn't accurate but I loved that shit.
Feb 08th 2010
51
Enjoying the movie is not allowed.
Feb 08th 2010
56
As I said
Feb 08th 2010
60
      But you can.
Feb 08th 2010
65
I haven't even seen the flick yet & can call that a horrible analogy n/m
Feb 09th 2010
91
Retired EOD responds to Hoit's complaints (swipe)
Feb 08th 2010
58
that guy was just happy somebody made a movie about his job
Feb 08th 2010
67
      I'm glad someone did
Feb 10th 2010
103
This post is more interesting than the movie was
Feb 08th 2010
59
ha! agreed
Feb 11th 2010
107
Another vet pisses on Hoit (swipe)
Feb 08th 2010
61
^^^ Shiva, the God of Death
Feb 08th 2010
62
that guy worked on the movie. wow, what a surprise he liked it.
Feb 08th 2010
68
More soldier talk about The Hurt Locker (swipe)
Feb 08th 2010
63
patriotic puff piece, STILL filled to the brim with criticism
Feb 08th 2010
69
      better film *to watch before shipping out to duty*
Feb 27th 2010
118
Oh, what's this? ANOTHER OED liked the movie! (swipe)
Feb 08th 2010
64
hurt locker fails at box office, grosses $12 mil in five months (swipe)
Feb 08th 2010
70
      *scrolls down to see "Widest Release: 535 theatres"*
Feb 08th 2010
73
           535 theaters in five months = FAILED to find an audience
Feb 09th 2010
76
                Yeah, great, awesome
Feb 09th 2010
78
                     "i ain't readin' all that" = i just got dipped in hot lava
Feb 09th 2010
80
                          Oh
Feb 09th 2010
81
lol @ theprofessional.
Feb 08th 2010
72
And ironically enough, we're on the same side when it comes to Avatar
Feb 08th 2010
74
no, i'm mad that people don't like this film
Feb 09th 2010
79
LOL @ y'all pussy niggas mad that your favorite movie sucks
Feb 09th 2010
83
On a vaguely related note
Feb 09th 2010
85
i loved Generation Kill
Feb 09th 2010
95
      That show was tight as fuck
Feb 10th 2010
98
      Cool Cool
Feb 10th 2010
102
That is without question the worst scene in the movie...
Feb 09th 2010
92
If you mean this one, then of course it's without question the worst.
Feb 09th 2010
93
i was watching the hurt locker and an episode of 24 broke out
Feb 10th 2010
101
it's a fucking movie.
Feb 10th 2010
104
Wait...Hollywood gave us a movie in which they played loose w/facts and
Feb 26th 2010
110
Interesting debates here.
Feb 26th 2010
111
^true
Feb 26th 2010
114
A movie isn't perfectly accurate?
Feb 26th 2010
113
Summary article on this (swipe)
Feb 26th 2010
115
the washington post opens up the hate locker (swipe)
Feb 28th 2010
119
Great article
Mar 03rd 2010
120
the argument is that it is not a proper propaganda film?
Mar 03rd 2010
122
      i'm pretty sure that argument isn't being made
Mar 03rd 2010
123
           i wouldn't be so sure
Mar 04th 2010
125
                what does that have to do with propaganda
Mar 04th 2010
126
                     according to that statement
Mar 04th 2010
130
                          um, this isn't how propaganda works...
Mar 04th 2010
131
                               oh no?
Mar 04th 2010
132
OH SHIT SON IT'S A SWIFTBOAT VETERAN FROM PANDORA
Mar 04th 2010
124
LOL a folks who ain't served telling us how to feel about a movie based
Mar 04th 2010
127
probably also the same ones complaining about Precious
Mar 04th 2010
128
actually the complaint is YOU are trying to tell US how to feel about a ...
Mar 04th 2010
129
      actually the complaint is the academy trying to tell america
Mar 06th 2010
135
           sucks for you then
Mar 08th 2010
150
changing the filming style would change these perceptions
Mar 05th 2010
133
But...
Mar 06th 2010
134
the atlantic calls hurt locker an imposter and a fraud (swipe)
Mar 06th 2010
136
i really like this article
Mar 06th 2010
137
So, this film lives or dies
Mar 07th 2010
138
the technical inaccuracies only support the overlying criticism
Mar 07th 2010
139
academy award watcher: the hurt locker just won 6 oscars. u r mad.
Mar 07th 2010
141
nah, i'm happy
Mar 08th 2010
143
you mad!
Mar 08th 2010
144
lol @ "even adjusting for inflation"
Mar 08th 2010
145
Hahahahahaha
Mar 08th 2010
147
this film is really flawed/racist even
Mar 08th 2010
146
...
Mar 08th 2010
148
      nothing wrong with that... as long as you dont resort to a 1dimensional
Mar 08th 2010
151
           what are you talking about??
Mar 08th 2010
152
                what are YOU talking about?
Mar 09th 2010
153
I enjoyed it for what it was....a trumped up war movie
Mar 08th 2010
149
just saw it
Mar 31st 2010
154

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