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more money quote goodness: "Consider the sniper scene: Driving alone through the desert - and no one drives alone in Iraq—the team comes upon several Blackwater-type contractors who have captured two high-value targets from the "deck of cards"—those Saddam Hussein cronies hunted in the early months of the war. An Iraqi sniper quickly kills three of the contractors with stunning long-range shots. With no reinforcements or air support available, James and his men must save the day. J.T. Sanborn, the team's level-headed sergeant, settles in behind a .50-caliber rifle and kills three insurgents, including one dropped at a dead run, nine football fields away. A trained sniper would be proud of that shot, so it's mighty impressive from a bomb disposal technician."

i remember seeing some pbs special on army snipers, and to hit a guy who was running full-speed even just a few hundred yards away was like hitting a half court shot. and this was for guys who did nothing but look through rifle scopes all day. i remember 'cause that pbs thing came to mind while i was watching the sniper scene and thinking there's no way. they should have either set this up scene up somehow (maybe reveal earlier that sanborn is the greatest sniper who ever lived), ended it somewhat realistically (call in air support), or scrapped it.

http://www.theatlantic.com/culture/archive/2010/03/whats-wrong-with-the-hurt-locker/36888/?rss=36888

What's Wrong With 'The Hurt Locker'
Mar 3 2010, 9:07 AM ET
Brian Mockenhaupt
(Brian Mockenhaupt, a freelance writer, served twice in Iraq as an infantryman with the Army's 10th Mountain Division.)

In his self-published book, Stolen Valor, Vietnam veteran B.G. Burkett exposes scores of men who pass themselves off as war heroes. He digs through stacks of military personnel records and outs city councilmen, prominent businessmen and even presidents of veterans groups as frauds. Some had served in the military and finagled paperwork that bumped them up several ranks and turned them into battlefield legends. Purple Hearts, Silver Stars, Medals of Honor. Others hadn't spent a day in uniform but conjured equally dramatic tales of daring and sacrifice. The imposters, he says, had become some of the most vocal and visible veterans. They influenced the public's perception of war and even guided legislative agendas, a disservice to those who did the fighting and the bleeding.

How could they get away with that? Moral authority. So few Americans have actually walked and sweated on battlefields that they defer to those who say they have, and assume those men and women speak the truth.

This also explains why The Hurt Locker is up for a Best Picture Oscar. And why it shouldn't win.

Present a movie as a hyper-realistic look at today's wars and those fighting them, and you have a responsibility to deliver because—for better or worse—without first-hand experience, we rely on our storytellers to fill in the those gaps with texture, and meaning and context. That was director Kathryn Bigelow's intent. She wanted the audience to experience war as the soldiers do and used shaky hand-held camera shots for a documentary-style effect. And she was rewarded for it. She won over the critics, nearly all of whom wrote breathless and fawning reviews: Overflowing with crackling versimilitude; One of the defining films of the decade; Impressively realistic; A near-perfect movie about men in war; The film about the war in Iraq we've been waiting for.

With commentary like that, I expected a movie that would give viewers a real sense of what a minority of Americans have been doing on their behalf these nine years. Instead, I left the theater frustrated and disappointed. To its credit, The Hurt Locker, unlike many of the War on Terror films so far, doesn't spoon-feed political messages. But Bigelow and screenwriter Mark Boal have tried so hard to make a great and important film that they transformed their story into caricature. This is a shame, because the movie begins with promise.

Bigelow pulls us into the world of an Army Explosive Ordnance Disposal team finishing a year-long tour speckled with near misses. She nails the setting. The trash piles and the dust, the heat and the searing white sunlight, Iraqis watching from doorways, balconies and rooftops, the curious indistinguishable from the suspicious. And, amid all this, the soldiers, steeped in resignation, knowing they could die in the next moment. These bomb squads face obscene levels of danger, which makes their day-to-day experiences the perfect window through which to view war's effects.

But the movie soon careens into the tedious and the absurd. The Hurt Locker was born of Boal's embed with an Army EOD unit, which gives the film a further air of authority and authenticity—based on true events and all—though he took many, many liberties in crafting the story. I only saw a small corner of the war during two Iraq tours, but the bomb squad's actions seemed over the top. Was the main character, Will James, leader of the three-man team, reckless and cavalier with his men's safety? Probably. But never mind that. I expect small inconsistencies and lapses in logic, like soldiers wearing the wrong uniforms, or inexplicably abandoning their humvee and hiding in an Iraqi house.

It's the huge stumbles, many of them a by-product of the need for narrative momentum and dramatic tension, that pollute the finer parts of The Hurt Locker. Consider the sniper scene: Driving alone through the desert - and no one drives alone in Iraq—the team comes upon several Blackwater-type contractors who have captured two high-value targets from the "deck of cards"—those Saddam Hussein cronies hunted in the early months of the war. An Iraqi sniper quickly kills three of the contractors with stunning long-range shots. With no reinforcements or air support available, James and his men must save the day. J.T. Sanborn, the team's level-headed sergeant, settles in behind a .50-caliber rifle and kills three insurgents, including one dropped at a dead run, nine football fields away. A trained sniper would be proud of that shot, so it's mighty impressive from a bomb disposal technician.

Later—after James leaves his protected base and goes rogue through the nighttime streets of Baghdad—he and his two teammates investigate a massive truck bomb in the Green Zone. To hunt down the triggerman, James splits his team and sends each man alone down a dark alleyway. Wow. If that's true, I'm damn glad I didn't serve with any of them. Specialist Owen Eldridge, the team's youngest member, is shot and briefly kidnapped during the goofy mission, a ham-fisted reminder that James' actions have consequences for others.

These scenes would have made more sense as fantasy sequences, since bizarre and disturbing dreams are a staple of war. But are any of the events absolutely unimaginable? No. Battlefields are very, very strange places, with endless power to surprise. A soldier wandering off into Baghdad alone on some misguided personal quest? Well, Bowe Bergdahl, now held as a prisoner of war by the Taliban, was captured last year after he apparently walked away from his remote outpost in eastern Afghanistan. So people act stupidly.

The problem comes in knitting together these experiences, real or fancied, into a single narrative. Ask a dozen soldiers to tell you a story about the war and you'll hear a dozen harrowing or poignant or side-splitting tales. Many of them might be true. But smash them into a composite and the truth flees. While it makes for a convenient story vehicle and a steady point of focus for the viewer, packing everything into one man's or a small group's experience rises to the ridiculous.

I understand the need for condensed action sequences, a case best made by The Onion's story on Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3, "the most true-to-life military game ever created." Soldiers run pointless missions, sit around for hours on guard duty and referee arguments between colleagues about which actress they'd rather sleep with. All of that brings back memories. War, in real-time, is often boring, or at least too slow moving for the big screen.

So Bigelow and Boal were right to reduce the soldiers' experiences to the pivotal and illuminating moments. And when The Hurt Locker does it well—which isn't often—the results are superb. One of the movie's best scenes comes near the end as James, back from Iraq, stands alone in the cereal aisle of a grocery store and stares at the choices, not overwhelmed but indifferent. He's traded the adrenaline of combat for the tedium of life at home.

The Hurt Locker should have lingered on and gone deeper into the small moments, digging at the subtlety and nuance instead of telling its audience that war, as experienced by so many Americans, isn't meaningful enough as is, but must be gussied up with outsiders' interpretations of what makes the experience profound.

"i smack clowns with nouns, punch herbs with verbs..."

  

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iraq war vet: the hurt locker is inaccurate and unrealistic (swipe) [View all] , theprofessional, Thu Feb-04-10 10:45 PM
 
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did he think it was a documentary?
Feb 04th 2010
1
REPOST: My interview with OKP Jay Doz on this exact same subject.
Feb 04th 2010
2
good stuff. i'm starting to get the vets' beef with the uniforms.
Feb 05th 2010
10
good shit
Feb 05th 2010
14
haha, that article got me in so much trouble**
Feb 09th 2010
97
      FOR THE RECORD I FELT BAD ABOUT IT!
Feb 10th 2010
99
      it was a great interview though
Feb 10th 2010
100
its a movie
Feb 05th 2010
3
Aside from the inaccuracies....
Feb 05th 2010
4
The theme is pretty fucking spelled out.
Feb 05th 2010
5
i agree with this
Feb 05th 2010
11
Considering it's up against Avatar for best picture,
Feb 05th 2010
15
Well said
Feb 09th 2010
87
WAR IS A DRUG....
Feb 06th 2010
23
my brother said the same thing
Feb 05th 2010
6
Even with zero experience of Iraq
Feb 05th 2010
7
I don't see the point
Feb 05th 2010
8
if you approach it as an action movie, it's enjoyable
Feb 05th 2010
12
moviegoers: the hurt locker is a movie (no swipe)
Feb 05th 2010
9
LOL
Feb 05th 2010
22
"It's unrealistic as fuck. Deal with it."
Feb 08th 2010
53
      "And who are you?
Feb 08th 2010
55
The reviewer never explains why the inaccuracies are important..
Feb 05th 2010
13
she/her
Feb 27th 2010
116
it's pretty implausible
Feb 05th 2010
16
She's pretty cute, therefore I agree with all she says
Feb 05th 2010
17
wasn't she in abu gharaib?
Feb 05th 2010
18
RE: She's pretty cute, therefore I agree with all she says
Feb 05th 2010
20
yuck
Feb 06th 2010
34
And she's Airborne...I dig.
Feb 07th 2010
37
      ^^^focused
Feb 07th 2010
43
Police officer hates most movies about cops.
Feb 05th 2010
19
i heard cops love the wire though
Feb 05th 2010
21
      yep yep
Feb 06th 2010
24
           Coppola said, "My film is Vietnam."
Feb 06th 2010
28
                He was as mad as Kurtz
Feb 06th 2010
33
won't this always be the case?
Feb 06th 2010
25
Not really, see BlackHawk Down, SPR, Band of Brothers, Platoon
Feb 06th 2010
27
My Beef is that combat's already tenseful, suspenful and emotionally cha...
Feb 06th 2010
26
The Hurt Locker would never have been made.
Feb 06th 2010
29
      It would have been *harder* to make but it's still about the people in i...
Feb 07th 2010
36
           yet you think Saving Private Ryan was realistic?
Feb 09th 2010
89
                Compared to the Hurt Locker? Fuck and Yes
Feb 09th 2010
90
                     i don't get why this is so hard for folks to get
Feb 09th 2010
96
                     cuz you're complaining THL is unrealistic but then say SPR is realistic
Feb 11th 2010
105
                     what makes SPR so unrealistic?
Feb 11th 2010
109
                     nope
Mar 03rd 2010
121
                     give me a break.
Feb 11th 2010
106
                          Ok, explain
Feb 11th 2010
108
Sorry, but this is bullshit
Feb 06th 2010
30
no it's not
Feb 06th 2010
31
      ^^^^Gets It^^^^
Feb 06th 2010
32
      No
Feb 06th 2010
35
           This is the part you are missing.
Feb 07th 2010
38
                No, I'm actually not missing a thing
Feb 07th 2010
42
                     Okay, Player
Feb 07th 2010
45
                          *salutes this post*
Feb 08th 2010
49
                          Look, I ain't here to disrespect soldiers
Feb 08th 2010
57
                               wait, what success?
Feb 08th 2010
66
                               So you agree that you have an anti-critic agenda here.
Feb 08th 2010
71
                                    i have an anti-mediocre films winning oscars agenda
Feb 09th 2010
75
                                         Well, you may be crying in your beer come March 7
Feb 09th 2010
77
                                              i very well may be
Feb 09th 2010
82
                                                   All you, dawg
Mar 08th 2010
142
                               If you are going use us for your stories, at least get us right
Feb 09th 2010
84
                                    Caricatures? The motherfucker was embedded with soldiers in Iraq
Feb 09th 2010
86
                                    So the fuck what!? Fucker couldn't even write soldiers who spoke
Feb 09th 2010
88
                                    Time said that?
Feb 09th 2010
94
                                         RE: Time said that?
Feb 26th 2010
112
                                    Yes, it is too much to ask for a lot of artists.
Mar 07th 2010
140
Artsy fartsies are COPPIN PLEAS for how "its just fiction"
Feb 07th 2010
39
lol you STAY going in on the avant-garde aspects of this board man
Feb 07th 2010
40
yep
Feb 07th 2010
41
Correct
Feb 07th 2010
44
Let the smear campaign begin . . .
Feb 07th 2010
46
WGAF
Feb 07th 2010
47
If...
Feb 08th 2010
50
"It's unrealistic as fuck. Deal with it."
Feb 08th 2010
52
"And who are you?"
Feb 08th 2010
54
Training Day strikes me as a perfect analogy.
Feb 27th 2010
117
another vet pulls down his pants to dump on hurt locker (swipe)
Feb 08th 2010
48
Batman wasn't accurate but I loved that shit.
Feb 08th 2010
51
Enjoying the movie is not allowed.
Feb 08th 2010
56
As I said
Feb 08th 2010
60
      But you can.
Feb 08th 2010
65
I haven't even seen the flick yet & can call that a horrible analogy n/m
Feb 09th 2010
91
Retired EOD responds to Hoit's complaints (swipe)
Feb 08th 2010
58
that guy was just happy somebody made a movie about his job
Feb 08th 2010
67
      I'm glad someone did
Feb 10th 2010
103
This post is more interesting than the movie was
Feb 08th 2010
59
ha! agreed
Feb 11th 2010
107
Another vet pisses on Hoit (swipe)
Feb 08th 2010
61
^^^ Shiva, the God of Death
Feb 08th 2010
62
that guy worked on the movie. wow, what a surprise he liked it.
Feb 08th 2010
68
More soldier talk about The Hurt Locker (swipe)
Feb 08th 2010
63
patriotic puff piece, STILL filled to the brim with criticism
Feb 08th 2010
69
      better film *to watch before shipping out to duty*
Feb 27th 2010
118
Oh, what's this? ANOTHER OED liked the movie! (swipe)
Feb 08th 2010
64
hurt locker fails at box office, grosses $12 mil in five months (swipe)
Feb 08th 2010
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      *scrolls down to see "Widest Release: 535 theatres"*
Feb 08th 2010
73
           535 theaters in five months = FAILED to find an audience
Feb 09th 2010
76
                Yeah, great, awesome
Feb 09th 2010
78
                     "i ain't readin' all that" = i just got dipped in hot lava
Feb 09th 2010
80
                          Oh
Feb 09th 2010
81
lol @ theprofessional.
Feb 08th 2010
72
And ironically enough, we're on the same side when it comes to Avatar
Feb 08th 2010
74
no, i'm mad that people don't like this film
Feb 09th 2010
79
LOL @ y'all pussy niggas mad that your favorite movie sucks
Feb 09th 2010
83
On a vaguely related note
Feb 09th 2010
85
i loved Generation Kill
Feb 09th 2010
95
      That show was tight as fuck
Feb 10th 2010
98
      Cool Cool
Feb 10th 2010
102
That is without question the worst scene in the movie...
Feb 09th 2010
92
If you mean this one, then of course it's without question the worst.
Feb 09th 2010
93
i was watching the hurt locker and an episode of 24 broke out
Feb 10th 2010
101
it's a fucking movie.
Feb 10th 2010
104
Wait...Hollywood gave us a movie in which they played loose w/facts and
Feb 26th 2010
110
Interesting debates here.
Feb 26th 2010
111
^true
Feb 26th 2010
114
A movie isn't perfectly accurate?
Feb 26th 2010
113
Summary article on this (swipe)
Feb 26th 2010
115
the washington post opens up the hate locker (swipe)
Feb 28th 2010
119
Great article
Mar 03rd 2010
120
the argument is that it is not a proper propaganda film?
Mar 03rd 2010
122
      i'm pretty sure that argument isn't being made
Mar 03rd 2010
123
           i wouldn't be so sure
Mar 04th 2010
125
                what does that have to do with propaganda
Mar 04th 2010
126
                     according to that statement
Mar 04th 2010
130
                          um, this isn't how propaganda works...
Mar 04th 2010
131
                               oh no?
Mar 04th 2010
132
OH SHIT SON IT'S A SWIFTBOAT VETERAN FROM PANDORA
Mar 04th 2010
124
LOL a folks who ain't served telling us how to feel about a movie based
Mar 04th 2010
127
probably also the same ones complaining about Precious
Mar 04th 2010
128
actually the complaint is YOU are trying to tell US how to feel about a ...
Mar 04th 2010
129
      actually the complaint is the academy trying to tell america
Mar 06th 2010
135
           sucks for you then
Mar 08th 2010
150
changing the filming style would change these perceptions
Mar 05th 2010
133
But...
Mar 06th 2010
134
i really like this article
Mar 06th 2010
137
So, this film lives or dies
Mar 07th 2010
138
the technical inaccuracies only support the overlying criticism
Mar 07th 2010
139
academy award watcher: the hurt locker just won 6 oscars. u r mad.
Mar 07th 2010
141
nah, i'm happy
Mar 08th 2010
143
you mad!
Mar 08th 2010
144
lol @ "even adjusting for inflation"
Mar 08th 2010
145
Hahahahahaha
Mar 08th 2010
147
this film is really flawed/racist even
Mar 08th 2010
146
...
Mar 08th 2010
148
      nothing wrong with that... as long as you dont resort to a 1dimensional
Mar 08th 2010
151
           what are you talking about??
Mar 08th 2010
152
                what are YOU talking about?
Mar 09th 2010
153
I enjoyed it for what it was....a trumped up war movie
Mar 08th 2010
149
just saw it
Mar 31st 2010
154

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