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the hurt locker "oh, wait, this movie isn't that good" campaign continues. money quote: "James is as much cowboy as soldier, and vets fear he could become an iconic figure in the American imagination should the movie win a bunch of statues. 'Films, almost more than anything, will be the way Americans understand our war,' Rieckhoff said. 'So we feel that there is a responsibility for filmmakers to portray our war accurately. We see ourselves as watchdogs. ... When he puts a hood on like Eminem and starts roving outside the wire, it's ridiculous.'"

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/02/25/AR2010022506161.html?hpid=topnews

Some Iraq, Afghanistan war veterans criticize movie 'Hurt Locker' as inaccurate
By Christian Davenport
Washington Post Staff Writer
Sunday, February 28, 2010

Time magazine called "The Hurt Locker" "a near-perfect war film," but Ryan Gallucci, an Iraq war veteran, had to turn the movie off three times, he says, "or else I would have thrown my remote through the television."

Critics adore the film and it has been nominated for nine Oscars -- a feat matched only by "Avatar," the top-grossing movie of all time -- but Paul Rieckhoff, founder of Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America, says that's "nine more Oscar nominations than it deserves. I don't know why critics love this silly, inaccurate film so much," he wrote on his Facebook page.

Many in the military say "Hurt Locker" is plagued by unforgivable inaccuracies that make the most critically acclaimed Iraq war film to date more a Hollywood fantasy than the searingly realistic rendition that civilians take it for.

To which you might say: It's just a movie and an action flick at that. It's Tinseltown fiction -- an interpretation of war such as "Full Metal Jacket" or "Apocalypse Now." It's supposed to entertain. It's not a documentary, not real life.

But to those who were there, Iraq is real life. And they're very sensitive -- some would say overly so -- when their war is portrayed via a central character who is a reckless rogue.

Hence a rising backlash from people in uniform, such as this response on Rieckhoff's Facebook page from a self-identified Army Airborne Ranger:

"f this movie was based on a war that never existed, I would have nothing to comment about. This movie is not based on a true story, but on a true war, a war in which I have seen my friends killed, a war in which I witnessed my ranger buddy get both his legs blown off. So for Hollywood to glorify this crap is a huge slap in the face to every soldier who's been on the front line."

Even Brian Williams, the NBC News anchor, took a shot on his blog, writing a post titled, "The Hurt Locker: Hurting for a fact-checker." The movie's positive reviews could not have been "written by anyone who had spent any time with U.S. armed forces in Iraq," he wrote, wondering why none of the soldiers in the movie dipped smokeless tobacco or said "hoo-ah" -- "the universal term for hello, goodbye, understood, etc."

'Reckless' character

In an interview, Rieckhoff said the anger about "Hurt Locker" stems not so much from such small inaccuracies -- for example, the uniforms the soldiers wear in the film weren't available until well after the time the story took place -- but rather from the depiction of the main character, Sgt. 1st Class William James.

Portrayed by Jeremy Renner, who's nominated for Best Actor, James is a daredevil who in one scene takes off his protective armor while disarming a bomb because, as he says, "If I'm going to die, I'm going to be comfortable." He runs alone through the streets of Baghdad with his sweat shirt hood up like a gangster. Later, he takes two soldiers hunting for insurgents in Baghdad's back alleys without any backup.

James's fellow soldiers are, or try to be, by-the-book professionals. They call James "rowdy" and "reckless," and one worries out loud that his leader's crazy antics are "going to get me killed." James is as much cowboy as soldier, and vets fear he could become an iconic figure in the American imagination should the movie win a bunch of statues.

"Films, almost more than anything, will be the way Americans understand our war," Rieckhoff said. "So we feel that there is a responsibility for filmmakers to portray our war accurately. We see ourselves as watchdogs. . . . When he puts a hood on like Eminem and starts roving outside the wire, it's ridiculous."

Gallucci, a former sergeant who served in Iraq from 2003 to 2004, says he kept hoping James would get "blown up throughout the entire movie. I wanted to see his poor teammates get another team leader, who was actually concerned about their safety."

'Dramatic effect'

Mark Boal, the film's screenwriter, knows the soldiers in the film are wearing the wrong uniform. He was embedded in Iraq with an Explosive Ordnance Disposal team in 2004, and he's aware of what soldiers wore. Boal has worked as a journalist -- an article he wrote for Playboy became the basis for the 2007 film "In the Valley of Elah," about an Iraq war veteran who is murdered upon returning home -- and he feels a duty to hew as close to possible to the truth.

But "The Hurt Locker" is a movie, not a magazine article, Boal says, and screenwriters need ample artistic license to build a compelling -- and true -- story. So when he chose to have the film's soldiers wear the current Army uniform rather than the one they wore in 2004, it's to allow his audience "to relate to the imagery they saw on the news."

Yes, he had military consultants help him get details of radio protocol and uniforms right, but he never felt obliged to be precisely accurate. The consultants, Boal says, give a writer the information he needs so that "when you do choose to make a dramatic effect, do it in a way that is not totally embarrassing."

The arc of the narrative, he says, has to come from the writer. "The story came out of my imagination based on my life experience and hundreds of conversations I've had with soldiers.

"I definitely tried for dramatic effect to make artistic choices, but I hope I made them respectfully and carefully and with the goal of not making a training video or a documentary, but showing just how hellish this war is. I was also aware, by the way, that there are many wonderful documentaries on Iraq and many wonderful articles, which no one has seen. And quite frankly, I was hoping that people would see the film."

Art vs. reality

Each writer's search for truth lands at a different point on the spectrum between art and reality. When screenwriter David Simon made the series "Generation Kill" for HBO, he considered it more important to have Marines find his work an accurate portrayal of their culture and experience invading Iraq than to win critical acclaim. "The real fun isn't trying to convince the average viewer" that we have it right, he told the Marine Corps Times. "It's trying to convince people who have been in the game."

Boal not only wanted to tell a riveting and important story, but also to raise awareness about soldiers who disarm bombs, a specialty known as explosive ordnance disposal, which he believed the general public knew little about, even though hidden bombs are the leading cause of casualties in Iraq.

As a result, despite some complaints about inaccuracies, many veterans of bomb disposal units love the movie, says James O'Neil, executive director of the EOD Memorial Foundation, a nonprofit that has benefited financially from the film.

"While there is some artistic license," O'Neil says, "there's a lot of good representation of the intensity and the courage that's displayed by EOD techs. What it takes to find, identify and then render safe those -- that's a story, and it's an incredible story."

Filmmakers always worry that productions that servicemembers see as spot-on might leave general audiences cold. So: Is it really important that a war movie be accurate?

No, says David McKenna, a film professor at Columbia University. "Hurt Locker," he argues, isn't as much about Iraq as it is about one soldier's addiction to war. It's a character study, an exploration of courage, bravado and leadership told through "a series of suspenseful situations. I suppose it could have just as easily been set in outer space."

If veterans don't like it, McKenna says, "well, this is an opportunity to go make your own movie."

"i smack clowns with nouns, punch herbs with verbs..."

  

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iraq war vet: the hurt locker is inaccurate and unrealistic (swipe) [View all] , theprofessional, Thu Feb-04-10 10:45 PM
 
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did he think it was a documentary?
Feb 04th 2010
1
REPOST: My interview with OKP Jay Doz on this exact same subject.
Feb 04th 2010
2
good stuff. i'm starting to get the vets' beef with the uniforms.
Feb 05th 2010
10
good shit
Feb 05th 2010
14
haha, that article got me in so much trouble**
Feb 09th 2010
97
      FOR THE RECORD I FELT BAD ABOUT IT!
Feb 10th 2010
99
      it was a great interview though
Feb 10th 2010
100
its a movie
Feb 05th 2010
3
Aside from the inaccuracies....
Feb 05th 2010
4
The theme is pretty fucking spelled out.
Feb 05th 2010
5
i agree with this
Feb 05th 2010
11
Considering it's up against Avatar for best picture,
Feb 05th 2010
15
Well said
Feb 09th 2010
87
WAR IS A DRUG....
Feb 06th 2010
23
my brother said the same thing
Feb 05th 2010
6
Even with zero experience of Iraq
Feb 05th 2010
7
I don't see the point
Feb 05th 2010
8
if you approach it as an action movie, it's enjoyable
Feb 05th 2010
12
moviegoers: the hurt locker is a movie (no swipe)
Feb 05th 2010
9
LOL
Feb 05th 2010
22
"It's unrealistic as fuck. Deal with it."
Feb 08th 2010
53
      "And who are you?
Feb 08th 2010
55
The reviewer never explains why the inaccuracies are important..
Feb 05th 2010
13
she/her
Feb 27th 2010
116
it's pretty implausible
Feb 05th 2010
16
She's pretty cute, therefore I agree with all she says
Feb 05th 2010
17
wasn't she in abu gharaib?
Feb 05th 2010
18
RE: She's pretty cute, therefore I agree with all she says
Feb 05th 2010
20
yuck
Feb 06th 2010
34
And she's Airborne...I dig.
Feb 07th 2010
37
      ^^^focused
Feb 07th 2010
43
Police officer hates most movies about cops.
Feb 05th 2010
19
i heard cops love the wire though
Feb 05th 2010
21
      yep yep
Feb 06th 2010
24
           Coppola said, "My film is Vietnam."
Feb 06th 2010
28
                He was as mad as Kurtz
Feb 06th 2010
33
won't this always be the case?
Feb 06th 2010
25
Not really, see BlackHawk Down, SPR, Band of Brothers, Platoon
Feb 06th 2010
27
My Beef is that combat's already tenseful, suspenful and emotionally cha...
Feb 06th 2010
26
The Hurt Locker would never have been made.
Feb 06th 2010
29
      It would have been *harder* to make but it's still about the people in i...
Feb 07th 2010
36
           yet you think Saving Private Ryan was realistic?
Feb 09th 2010
89
                Compared to the Hurt Locker? Fuck and Yes
Feb 09th 2010
90
                     i don't get why this is so hard for folks to get
Feb 09th 2010
96
                     cuz you're complaining THL is unrealistic but then say SPR is realistic
Feb 11th 2010
105
                     what makes SPR so unrealistic?
Feb 11th 2010
109
                     nope
Mar 03rd 2010
121
                     give me a break.
Feb 11th 2010
106
                          Ok, explain
Feb 11th 2010
108
Sorry, but this is bullshit
Feb 06th 2010
30
no it's not
Feb 06th 2010
31
      ^^^^Gets It^^^^
Feb 06th 2010
32
      No
Feb 06th 2010
35
           This is the part you are missing.
Feb 07th 2010
38
                No, I'm actually not missing a thing
Feb 07th 2010
42
                     Okay, Player
Feb 07th 2010
45
                          *salutes this post*
Feb 08th 2010
49
                          Look, I ain't here to disrespect soldiers
Feb 08th 2010
57
                               wait, what success?
Feb 08th 2010
66
                               So you agree that you have an anti-critic agenda here.
Feb 08th 2010
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                                    i have an anti-mediocre films winning oscars agenda
Feb 09th 2010
75
                                         Well, you may be crying in your beer come March 7
Feb 09th 2010
77
                                              i very well may be
Feb 09th 2010
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                                                   All you, dawg
Mar 08th 2010
142
                               If you are going use us for your stories, at least get us right
Feb 09th 2010
84
                                    Caricatures? The motherfucker was embedded with soldiers in Iraq
Feb 09th 2010
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                                    So the fuck what!? Fucker couldn't even write soldiers who spoke
Feb 09th 2010
88
                                    Time said that?
Feb 09th 2010
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                                         RE: Time said that?
Feb 26th 2010
112
                                    Yes, it is too much to ask for a lot of artists.
Mar 07th 2010
140
Artsy fartsies are COPPIN PLEAS for how "its just fiction"
Feb 07th 2010
39
lol you STAY going in on the avant-garde aspects of this board man
Feb 07th 2010
40
yep
Feb 07th 2010
41
Correct
Feb 07th 2010
44
Let the smear campaign begin . . .
Feb 07th 2010
46
WGAF
Feb 07th 2010
47
If...
Feb 08th 2010
50
"It's unrealistic as fuck. Deal with it."
Feb 08th 2010
52
"And who are you?"
Feb 08th 2010
54
Training Day strikes me as a perfect analogy.
Feb 27th 2010
117
another vet pulls down his pants to dump on hurt locker (swipe)
Feb 08th 2010
48
Batman wasn't accurate but I loved that shit.
Feb 08th 2010
51
Enjoying the movie is not allowed.
Feb 08th 2010
56
As I said
Feb 08th 2010
60
      But you can.
Feb 08th 2010
65
I haven't even seen the flick yet & can call that a horrible analogy n/m
Feb 09th 2010
91
Retired EOD responds to Hoit's complaints (swipe)
Feb 08th 2010
58
that guy was just happy somebody made a movie about his job
Feb 08th 2010
67
      I'm glad someone did
Feb 10th 2010
103
This post is more interesting than the movie was
Feb 08th 2010
59
ha! agreed
Feb 11th 2010
107
Another vet pisses on Hoit (swipe)
Feb 08th 2010
61
^^^ Shiva, the God of Death
Feb 08th 2010
62
that guy worked on the movie. wow, what a surprise he liked it.
Feb 08th 2010
68
More soldier talk about The Hurt Locker (swipe)
Feb 08th 2010
63
patriotic puff piece, STILL filled to the brim with criticism
Feb 08th 2010
69
      better film *to watch before shipping out to duty*
Feb 27th 2010
118
Oh, what's this? ANOTHER OED liked the movie! (swipe)
Feb 08th 2010
64
hurt locker fails at box office, grosses $12 mil in five months (swipe)
Feb 08th 2010
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      *scrolls down to see "Widest Release: 535 theatres"*
Feb 08th 2010
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           535 theaters in five months = FAILED to find an audience
Feb 09th 2010
76
                Yeah, great, awesome
Feb 09th 2010
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                     "i ain't readin' all that" = i just got dipped in hot lava
Feb 09th 2010
80
                          Oh
Feb 09th 2010
81
lol @ theprofessional.
Feb 08th 2010
72
And ironically enough, we're on the same side when it comes to Avatar
Feb 08th 2010
74
no, i'm mad that people don't like this film
Feb 09th 2010
79
LOL @ y'all pussy niggas mad that your favorite movie sucks
Feb 09th 2010
83
On a vaguely related note
Feb 09th 2010
85
i loved Generation Kill
Feb 09th 2010
95
      That show was tight as fuck
Feb 10th 2010
98
      Cool Cool
Feb 10th 2010
102
That is without question the worst scene in the movie...
Feb 09th 2010
92
If you mean this one, then of course it's without question the worst.
Feb 09th 2010
93
i was watching the hurt locker and an episode of 24 broke out
Feb 10th 2010
101
it's a fucking movie.
Feb 10th 2010
104
Wait...Hollywood gave us a movie in which they played loose w/facts and
Feb 26th 2010
110
Interesting debates here.
Feb 26th 2010
111
^true
Feb 26th 2010
114
A movie isn't perfectly accurate?
Feb 26th 2010
113
Summary article on this (swipe)
Feb 26th 2010
115
Great article
Mar 03rd 2010
120
the argument is that it is not a proper propaganda film?
Mar 03rd 2010
122
      i'm pretty sure that argument isn't being made
Mar 03rd 2010
123
           i wouldn't be so sure
Mar 04th 2010
125
                what does that have to do with propaganda
Mar 04th 2010
126
                     according to that statement
Mar 04th 2010
130
                          um, this isn't how propaganda works...
Mar 04th 2010
131
                               oh no?
Mar 04th 2010
132
OH SHIT SON IT'S A SWIFTBOAT VETERAN FROM PANDORA
Mar 04th 2010
124
LOL a folks who ain't served telling us how to feel about a movie based
Mar 04th 2010
127
probably also the same ones complaining about Precious
Mar 04th 2010
128
actually the complaint is YOU are trying to tell US how to feel about a ...
Mar 04th 2010
129
      actually the complaint is the academy trying to tell america
Mar 06th 2010
135
           sucks for you then
Mar 08th 2010
150
changing the filming style would change these perceptions
Mar 05th 2010
133
But...
Mar 06th 2010
134
the atlantic calls hurt locker an imposter and a fraud (swipe)
Mar 06th 2010
136
i really like this article
Mar 06th 2010
137
So, this film lives or dies
Mar 07th 2010
138
the technical inaccuracies only support the overlying criticism
Mar 07th 2010
139
academy award watcher: the hurt locker just won 6 oscars. u r mad.
Mar 07th 2010
141
nah, i'm happy
Mar 08th 2010
143
you mad!
Mar 08th 2010
144
lol @ "even adjusting for inflation"
Mar 08th 2010
145
Hahahahahaha
Mar 08th 2010
147
this film is really flawed/racist even
Mar 08th 2010
146
...
Mar 08th 2010
148
      nothing wrong with that... as long as you dont resort to a 1dimensional
Mar 08th 2010
151
           what are you talking about??
Mar 08th 2010
152
                what are YOU talking about?
Mar 09th 2010
153
I enjoyed it for what it was....a trumped up war movie
Mar 08th 2010
149
just saw it
Mar 31st 2010
154

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