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"White liberal bigotry"
Sat Dec-03-05 08:26 AM by Pinko_Panther

  

          

Okay, this post is inspired by an bizarre and disturbing exchange between me and Bartek in the lesson. In this thread on Little Brother's mixtape I made a snide remark at another OKP about how his behaviour reminded me of white women down south who would bring coloured people home and cry rape when caught. Anyhow, this white kid who opposes me, as a person of colour, talking about white people in a way that he identifies as a "black man victim role". He argues that I make fun of white people to "be down" with "pissed of black folks from this site" (a racist sentiment from a white person especially). Now, he goes on to tell me that, despite the fact that I am a coloured person who experiences racism and has experienced serious racism throughout his life, that I have no right to reference white people in what he understands as a 'black manner'. If I was black, in other words, he would have no problem with me making fun of white souther racists, despite the fact that I told him I lived in texas as a child and watched my family cry as a cross burned in our lawn. Here is the exchange, you decide:

http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=5&topic_id=514248&mesg_id=514248&page=#517191


Now that you've read the exchange, here is the politics of why I am writing this. People in this forum who know me from when I posted in Activist often know that I am most concerned about class relations, Marxism and working-class solidarity among workers of all races against capitalists of all races. However, I do recognize that the dominant class in our society is overwhelmingly white and as a result the ideologies of male white supremacy are integral to this system. Thus, every now and then, from time to time make fun of the current and historical behaviours of white people that I have experienced either personally or through some literary medium. Furthermore, it is extremely worrisome that he express his disdain for me from some ass backward liberal "i do this because I am concerned about racism" type bullshit. The question, then, is: Does a white kid who does not know me or my life experiences have any place telling me, a working-class person of colour, how I should identify with other races? Can a white person even begin to understand where I am coming from in this regard?

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White liberal bigotry [View all] , Pinko_Panther, Sat Dec-03-05 08:20 AM
 
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quick answer: no...
Dec 03rd 2005
1
RE: quick answer: no...
Dec 03rd 2005
2
      get the fuck outta here...
Dec 06th 2005
48
It's a simple answer really
Dec 03rd 2005
3
*dead*
Dec 04th 2005
12
      haha...this is three agreements in one week!
Dec 04th 2005
17
           Three?! WOWZERS!
Dec 04th 2005
18
                ok..maybe two...
Dec 04th 2005
22
Sorry Pinko, but this reads like little more than a cheap stunt
Dec 03rd 2005
4
Kind of agree
Dec 03rd 2005
5
Of course I'm trying to get support, how dense must you be?
Dec 04th 2005
11
      RE: Of course I'm trying to get support, how dense must you be?
Dec 04th 2005
16
           RE: Of course I'm trying to get support, how dense must you be?
Dec 04th 2005
19
                RE: Of course I'm trying to get support, how dense must you be?
Dec 04th 2005
21
iranian = aryan
Dec 03rd 2005
6
YOU IRANIAN CRACKA!!
Dec 03rd 2005
7
RE: YOU IRANIAN CRACKA!!
Dec 04th 2005
15
Yeah, Hitler got a lot of history wrong...
Dec 04th 2005
14
RE: iranian = aryan
Dec 04th 2005
20
      RE: iranian = aryan
Dec 04th 2005
23
           RE: iranian = aryan
Dec 05th 2005
36
                RE: iranian = aryan
Dec 05th 2005
41
RE: White liberal bigotry
Dec 03rd 2005
8
Sigh
Dec 03rd 2005
9
see -- this is problematic.
Dec 04th 2005
10
Yep
Dec 04th 2005
13
I find it interesting, how you are so certain...
Dec 04th 2005
29
      ???
Dec 04th 2005
30
           RE: ???
Dec 05th 2005
37
                RE: ???
Dec 05th 2005
42
                     RE: ???
Dec 05th 2005
45
                          Cop out
Dec 06th 2005
46
                               RE: Cop out
Dec 06th 2005
47
                                    So the English weren't colonialists?
Dec 06th 2005
49
                                         RE: So the English weren't colonialists?
Dec 06th 2005
51
                                         RE: I read #44
Dec 06th 2005
54
                                              This sounds very familiar
Dec 06th 2005
58
                                                   Ouch...
Dec 06th 2005
59
                                                   RE: Wow...
Dec 07th 2005
86
                                         what do English/liberal colonialists have to do with BarTek?
Dec 07th 2005
76
                                              RE: what do English/liberal colonialists have to do with BarTek?
Dec 07th 2005
78
                                              RE: what do English/liberal colonialists have to do with BarTek?
Dec 07th 2005
80
                                              RE: what do English/liberal colonialists have to do with BarTek?
Dec 07th 2005
81
                                                   Ah.
Dec 07th 2005
82
                                                   Wait...
Dec 07th 2005
83
                                                   Me neither
Dec 07th 2005
85
                                                   RE: what do English/liberal colonialists have to do with BarTek?
Dec 07th 2005
87
                                              RE: what do English/liberal colonialists have to do with BarTek?
Dec 07th 2005
97
                                                   You are missing the point
Dec 09th 2005
102
                                              She likes to assume that all whites are the same...
Dec 07th 2005
95
                                                   Nope
Dec 09th 2005
103
RE: see -- this is problematic.
Dec 04th 2005
24
      RE: see -- this is problematic.
Dec 04th 2005
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      RE: see -- this is problematic.
Dec 04th 2005
27
           your own words, once again.
Dec 06th 2005
63
                RE: your own words, once again.
Dec 07th 2005
99
                RE: your own words, once again.
Dec 14th 2005
107
      word choice, Tek...
Dec 04th 2005
31
           RE: word choice, Tek...
Dec 05th 2005
35
YEP, I KNEW YOU WERE AN IDIOT!!!
Dec 23rd 2005
113
      Your mom's an idiot...
Dec 23rd 2005
115
           *pats you on the back*....ahhhh, him feelin's hurt
Dec 23rd 2005
116
                Lol, you have some serious mental issues homie...
Dec 23rd 2005
118
.
Dec 04th 2005
26
Pinko, I find it quite funny and revealing that...
Dec 04th 2005
28
Obviously, you are not aware that I am done with addressing you
Dec 04th 2005
32
      RE: Obviously, you are not aware that I am done with addressing you
Dec 05th 2005
33
           RE: Obviously, you are not aware that I am done with addressing you
Dec 05th 2005
34
           that just might be the dumbest arguement I've seen in a while. n/m
Dec 05th 2005
38
                Not to mention the fact that I inboxed him...
Dec 05th 2005
39
                RE: Yet, you fail to provide any substance...
Dec 06th 2005
52
Point of clarification about my southern white woman comment...
Dec 05th 2005
40
shit like this is honestly why white people shouldn't even
Dec 05th 2005
43
we whites need to STEP THE FUCK BACK
Dec 05th 2005
44
RE: we whites need to STEP THE FUCK BACK
Dec 06th 2005
50
lol
Dec 06th 2005
55
RE: we whites need to STEP THE FUCK BACK
Dec 06th 2005
53
I love how you alternate...
Dec 06th 2005
56
LOL
Dec 06th 2005
57
what disgusts me
Dec 06th 2005
60
      Get yourself more aquianted with the matter...
Dec 06th 2005
61
      RE: Get yourself more aquianted with the matter...
Dec 06th 2005
62
           Telling coloured folks how to conduct themselves racially...
Dec 06th 2005
67
                taking issue with ANYONE stereotyping ANYONE is not bigotry
Dec 06th 2005
71
      If it was a one time thing, we could talk
Dec 06th 2005
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           Tell me about it!
Dec 06th 2005
69
           ah, well...
Dec 06th 2005
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           but in no way is he being a bigot. that's what i'm taking issue with.
Dec 06th 2005
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           ???
Dec 06th 2005
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                RE: ???
Dec 07th 2005
75
                     RE: ???
Dec 07th 2005
77
                          regardless of how you want to spin it, the title of the post points out
Dec 07th 2005
90
           You failed to address my response to you...
Dec 07th 2005
89
Bawhahahahaha! Ouch! *laughs so hard my cigar fell out of my mouth*
Dec 07th 2005
74
hahahahahahahaha
Dec 07th 2005
79
RE: That's it?
Dec 07th 2005
88
if THAT isn't proof of penis riding, than felacio is a myth
Dec 07th 2005
92
Say WORD.
Dec 23rd 2005
111
      Do y'all talk to your girl the same way you talk to your boys?
Dec 23rd 2005
112
and at its heart, this whole argument is racist.
Dec 06th 2005
64
      I could kiss you on the mouth(c) Iverson
Dec 06th 2005
68
      RE: and at its heart, this whole argument is racist.
Dec 07th 2005
91
      RE: and at its heart, this whole argument is racist.
Dec 07th 2005
94
           See, I may be a racist (I'm not, but for arguments sake)
Dec 07th 2005
96
                RE: Before you talk to me...
Dec 07th 2005
98
yep.
Dec 06th 2005
65
what about liberal heteronormativity?
Dec 07th 2005
84
Would you like to expound?
Dec 07th 2005
93
*wins post 100*
Dec 07th 2005
100
RE: White liberal bigotry
Dec 08th 2005
101
HOLY SHIT!
Dec 13th 2005
104
T.O. is EVIL!
Dec 13th 2005
105
McNabb is SOFT!!!
Dec 13th 2005
106
Ummm
Dec 14th 2005
108
Nettrice, football is here to HELP us. Not HINDER us.
Dec 14th 2005
109
RE: Nettrice, football is here to HELP us. Not HINDER us.
Dec 16th 2005
110
Wow, please explain urself/ur colleague. I've never heard some shit lik...
Dec 23rd 2005
114
100% CO-SIGN! you illustrated my feelings EXACTLY lol.
Dec 23rd 2005
117

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