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KoalaLove

Mon Jul-24-00 07:55 AM

  
25. "Color blindness"
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I think you confuse these theories with blindess to supposed racial variance when actually it proposes a more acurate account of what race is even moreso than popoular politics even allow.

" how could these discriminatory actions be penalized in a society that doesn't officially recognize race?"

Our government can recognize racial ideologies just like any faith doctrine without accepting them- the problem in this country is that it imposes that race ideology on its people and when it comes to accountability it only holds the people responsible while the ideology lives on and is further enacted by a pervasively infected society.

If you were a jew and you went to get a job but a anti-semite wouldnt let you would the gpvernment need to take sides in the matter to determine that civil rights had been infringed on? certinly not, a supposedly objective body can distinguish itself from the beliefs of singular communities or opposing ideologies. Likewise does the American government need to beilieve in and foster race classification to admit the crimes that are being enacted in its name- of course not, but it will do just that if we dont cite them for the crime of imposing it by national order in the first place.

The difference with race ideology is that it bears no quantifiable measure- no substantial markings- it is not scientific by any means- it bears far less accuracy than ideas of culture and national origin, issues of heritage- it is substantiated primarily in presumptions and hidden agendas and ideas that just arent true. If thats the case then why is it being used as a factual/pragmatic means of a census, why is it being used to determine stratification of wealth and assistance among people?

Why are we using it to run this country- and then wondering why the country's "race relations" are so fucked up- here's a hint- cuz the idea of race was fucked up in the first place!

To answer your question race can be dealt with pragmatically in determining its effects on society and it should be. However items like the census and all racial quuantifications and statistical data are not pragmatic in that they can only bare out the evidence of a characterization that is implicitly demeaning and untrue.

If you continue to allow the government to presume that lie as truth then whatever race discrimination is being dealt width will continue to move us 1 step forward and two steps back as has been its consistent pattern for the last 500 years.

If you want to realize race and not be blind to it- then you have no choice but admit that it was an illbegotten and demeaning notion that bears no substantiating scientific or natural capacity. The government must back away from this ideology as it is demaning and false- and furthermore stop imposing the ideology as if it were irrefutable fact.

Whatever discrimination that takes place will still be dealt with in the absence of the "race paradigm" the key is understanding that that "race paradigm" is at the very root of the discrimination.

K

  

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Why Race is Not Real...Scientifically Speaking [View all] , illosopher, Thu Jul-06-00 06:03 AM
 
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koala? is that you in disguise?
Jul 06th 2000
1
Truth breeds repetition
KoalaLove
Jul 06th 2000
2
RE: Truth breeds repetition
Jul 06th 2000
6
      now....
Jul 06th 2000
7
           WTF!?
KoalaLove
Jul 07th 2000
10
                After reading that....
Jul 07th 2000
11
RE: koala? is that you in disguise?
Jul 06th 2000
4
si
Jul 06th 2000
3
RE: Is race "real"?
Danger
Jul 06th 2000
5
      a way to beat the lie?
Jul 06th 2000
8
           RE: a way to beat the lie?
Danger
Jul 07th 2000
12
           RE: a way to beat the lie?
Jul 12th 2000
20
           RE: a way to beat the lie?
Jul 07th 2000
13
had an interesting discussion once....
Jul 07th 2000
9
had an interesting discussion once....
AfricanHerbsman
Jul 10th 2000
14
Danger hit the head on the nail!
Jul 11th 2000
15
RE: Danger hit the head on the nail!
Jul 11th 2000
16
      RE: Danger hit the head on the nail!
Jul 11th 2000
17
      RE: Danger hit the head on the nail!
Jul 12th 2000
19
      Race Indicator in dating..
Jul 20th 2000
23
      RE: Danger hit the head on the nail!
Jul 11th 2000
18
           RE: who'sgunna win tha race?
T
Jul 19th 2000
21
                pardon me
Jul 20th 2000
22
My problem with the color blind argument...
Jul 24th 2000
24
RE: Color blindness
Jul 26th 2000
30
      mad typos...ha
Jul 26th 2000
31
      RE: Color blindness
KoalaLove
Jul 27th 2000
32
      Still didn't answer the question
Jul 27th 2000
34
           YUCK
KoalaLove
Jul 27th 2000
35
           We were calling ourselves black prior to the nationalist movement
Jul 27th 2000
38
           There's that blind thing again
KoalaLove
Jul 27th 2000
39
                I think Spirit asked for an alternative
Jul 27th 2000
42
                     Thats unreasonable
KoalaLove
Jul 27th 2000
44
                          RE: Thats unreasonable
Jul 30th 2000
51
                               spirit likes the yuck
KoalaLove
Jul 31st 2000
57
                                    what we really are?
Aug 01st 2000
64
                                         RE: what we really are?
KoalaLove
Aug 01st 2000
67
                                              RE: what we really are?
Aug 10th 2000
75
           RE: YUCK
Jul 30th 2000
49
           Yuck
KoalaLove
Jul 31st 2000
54
           ps:
Jul 30th 2000
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                RE: ps:
KoalaLove
Jul 31st 2000
55
           the question
KoalaLove
Jul 27th 2000
36
                furthermore
KoalaLove
Jul 27th 2000
37
                RE: furthermore
Jul 30th 2000
53
                     i just dont give a YUCK!
KoalaLove
Jul 31st 2000
58
                          back to our regularly scheduled convo
Aug 01st 2000
60
                               Phenotypes are not racial characteristics...
Aug 01st 2000
65
                                    Thank you for your help
KoalaLove
Aug 01st 2000
69
                                    RE: Phenotypes are not racial characteristics...
Aug 10th 2000
71
                                         RE: Phenotypes are not racial characteristics...
KoalaLove
Aug 10th 2000
74
                talking long, saying nothing
Jul 30th 2000
52
                     RE: talking long, saying nothing
KoalaLove
Jul 31st 2000
56
                          The pot calling the kettle...
Aug 01st 2000
63
                               Yawn
KoalaLove
Aug 01st 2000
66
                                    Simpler than that
KoalaLove
Aug 01st 2000
68
                                    RE: Simpler than that
Aug 10th 2000
73
                                         Yuck spirit
KoalaLove
Aug 10th 2000
76
                                    RE: Yawn
Aug 10th 2000
72
      RE: Color blindness
KoalaLove
Jul 27th 2000
33
my god....
Jul 27th 2000
40
      RE: my god....
Jul 27th 2000
41
           it'll make you second guess urself......
Aug 01st 2000
62
RE: Why Race is Not Real...Scientifically Speaking
Jul 25th 2000
26
In real life..
KoalaLove
Jul 26th 2000
27
      RE: In real life..
Jul 27th 2000
43
           RE: In real life..
KoalaLove
Jul 27th 2000
45
                RE: In real life..
Jul 28th 2000
46
                     RE: In real life..
KoalaLove
Jul 28th 2000
47
                          I agree Koala
Jul 28th 2000
48
truth indeed
NiaRa
Jul 26th 2000
28
Very good...
KoalaLove
Jul 26th 2000
29
The greatest trick spirit ever pulled...
KoalaLove
Aug 01st 2000
59
haahahahaha
Aug 01st 2000
61
The bottom line- especially for spirit
KoalaLove
Aug 02nd 2000
70

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