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Thu Jul-06-00 11:50 AM

  
5. "RE: Is race "real"?"
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Okay, if you're going to say that race is a false construct, you've got to define what we mean when we say "race." If you think of race in terms of legitimate biological differences, then I agree that the idea of race is ridiculous. My ancestry is close to 100% Celt Irish, and when it comes to phenotypical characteristics (physical manifestations of what we call "race") I've got the large lips and prominent bone structure commonly associated with black men. I've got black friends with lighter skin and straighter hair than most of my white friends. Fact is, the phenotypical markers of race are usually arbitrary and after-the-fact; we say someone is "black" or "white" or whatever, and then we come up with the physical evidence to back it up.

The thing is, even if race comes from a bullshit arbitrary distinction, the social manifestation of that bullshit arbitrary distinction is real. You can say that nobody is really black or white or hispanic or whatever, but when the taxis won't stop for you and the cops shoot first and answer questions at the autopsy it does no good to say that race is a false construct. When it comes to social realities, what society believes is what's true. We could say that everybody under 6 feet tall is a race, and scientists would come up with "Bell Curve"-type books showing how short people are genetically predisposed to perform poorly in school, and shop owners would start being suspicious of short people and no short people would be elected to public office and before you knew it, that racial construction would be real.
That's the scary thing about race. It's a lie -- whether it's from a malevolent capitalist system or ancient tribal behavior -- but it's a lie that enough people believe to make it operatively true. We have to recognize that even though race is a false construct, it's a construct that has all the social repercussions of fact. Even if race doesn't exist, people are racist.
There's a dope book by a man named Derrick Bell (don't trust my spelling of his first name) called "Faces at the Bottom of the Well." It's about the permanence of racism in America -- how even though it's wrong and stupid, it's a wrong and stupid thing that people believe, and we have to accept that if we're going to fight it. In my opinion, it's like this: Stealing is wrong, but you don't leave your bike on the street and then try to convince people not to want to steal; you lock it up. Racism is wrong, but there's a point where you can't convince people not to be racist anymore; you just have to figure out a way to beat those racist beliefs. Read the book. Bell says it far better than I.

"Shake the hand that shook the world"
-- Dropkick Murphys

  

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Why Race is Not Real...Scientifically Speaking [View all] , illosopher, Thu Jul-06-00 06:03 AM
 
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koala? is that you in disguise?
Jul 06th 2000
1
Truth breeds repetition
KoalaLove
Jul 06th 2000
2
RE: Truth breeds repetition
Jul 06th 2000
6
      now....
Jul 06th 2000
7
           WTF!?
KoalaLove
Jul 07th 2000
10
                After reading that....
Jul 07th 2000
11
RE: koala? is that you in disguise?
Jul 06th 2000
4
si
Jul 06th 2000
3
      a way to beat the lie?
Jul 06th 2000
8
           RE: a way to beat the lie?
Danger
Jul 07th 2000
12
           RE: a way to beat the lie?
Jul 12th 2000
20
           RE: a way to beat the lie?
Jul 07th 2000
13
had an interesting discussion once....
Jul 07th 2000
9
had an interesting discussion once....
AfricanHerbsman
Jul 10th 2000
14
Danger hit the head on the nail!
Jul 11th 2000
15
RE: Danger hit the head on the nail!
Jul 11th 2000
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      RE: Danger hit the head on the nail!
Jul 11th 2000
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      RE: Danger hit the head on the nail!
Jul 12th 2000
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      Race Indicator in dating..
Jul 20th 2000
23
      RE: Danger hit the head on the nail!
Jul 11th 2000
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           RE: who'sgunna win tha race?
T
Jul 19th 2000
21
                pardon me
Jul 20th 2000
22
My problem with the color blind argument...
Jul 24th 2000
24
Color blindness
KoalaLove
Jul 24th 2000
25
RE: Color blindness
Jul 26th 2000
30
      mad typos...ha
Jul 26th 2000
31
      RE: Color blindness
KoalaLove
Jul 27th 2000
32
      Still didn't answer the question
Jul 27th 2000
34
           YUCK
KoalaLove
Jul 27th 2000
35
           We were calling ourselves black prior to the nationalist movement
Jul 27th 2000
38
           There's that blind thing again
KoalaLove
Jul 27th 2000
39
                I think Spirit asked for an alternative
Jul 27th 2000
42
                     Thats unreasonable
KoalaLove
Jul 27th 2000
44
                          RE: Thats unreasonable
Jul 30th 2000
51
                               spirit likes the yuck
KoalaLove
Jul 31st 2000
57
                                    what we really are?
Aug 01st 2000
64
                                         RE: what we really are?
KoalaLove
Aug 01st 2000
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                                              RE: what we really are?
Aug 10th 2000
75
           RE: YUCK
Jul 30th 2000
49
           Yuck
KoalaLove
Jul 31st 2000
54
           ps:
Jul 30th 2000
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                RE: ps:
KoalaLove
Jul 31st 2000
55
           the question
KoalaLove
Jul 27th 2000
36
                furthermore
KoalaLove
Jul 27th 2000
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                RE: furthermore
Jul 30th 2000
53
                     i just dont give a YUCK!
KoalaLove
Jul 31st 2000
58
                          back to our regularly scheduled convo
Aug 01st 2000
60
                               Phenotypes are not racial characteristics...
Aug 01st 2000
65
                                    Thank you for your help
KoalaLove
Aug 01st 2000
69
                                    RE: Phenotypes are not racial characteristics...
Aug 10th 2000
71
                                         RE: Phenotypes are not racial characteristics...
KoalaLove
Aug 10th 2000
74
                talking long, saying nothing
Jul 30th 2000
52
                     RE: talking long, saying nothing
KoalaLove
Jul 31st 2000
56
                          The pot calling the kettle...
Aug 01st 2000
63
                               Yawn
KoalaLove
Aug 01st 2000
66
                                    Simpler than that
KoalaLove
Aug 01st 2000
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                                    RE: Simpler than that
Aug 10th 2000
73
                                         Yuck spirit
KoalaLove
Aug 10th 2000
76
                                    RE: Yawn
Aug 10th 2000
72
      RE: Color blindness
KoalaLove
Jul 27th 2000
33
my god....
Jul 27th 2000
40
      RE: my god....
Jul 27th 2000
41
           it'll make you second guess urself......
Aug 01st 2000
62
RE: Why Race is Not Real...Scientifically Speaking
Jul 25th 2000
26
In real life..
KoalaLove
Jul 26th 2000
27
      RE: In real life..
Jul 27th 2000
43
           RE: In real life..
KoalaLove
Jul 27th 2000
45
                RE: In real life..
Jul 28th 2000
46
                     RE: In real life..
KoalaLove
Jul 28th 2000
47
                          I agree Koala
Jul 28th 2000
48
truth indeed
NiaRa
Jul 26th 2000
28
Very good...
KoalaLove
Jul 26th 2000
29
The greatest trick spirit ever pulled...
KoalaLove
Aug 01st 2000
59
haahahahaha
Aug 01st 2000
61
The bottom line- especially for spirit
KoalaLove
Aug 02nd 2000
70

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