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29. "Good Points, may I add..."
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THE QUESTION WAS,

"WHAT IS STRENGTH,"

>without responsibility, honesty and sense of
>self (maturity)?

Sense of the environment which MAY be used for/against your personal gain....Basically, awareness of one's surroundings....

>
>>TRUST...
>>Though you MAY NOT be able
>>to appreciate it now through
>>what you see/have seen...YOU AS
>>A WOMAN NEED A GOOD
>>"STRONG"(<--By the way, what's your
>>definition? Just Curious...) MAN TO
>>GROW INTO OLD AGE WITH....MOST
>>ESPECIALLY TO RAISE HEALTHY CHILDREN
>>WITH....
>

>My father was physically strong and
>financially stable BUT he was
>a very negative influence on
>his daughters.
>
>OVERSTAND THAT NO WOMAN CAN
>>RAISE A BOY INTO A
>>MAN. I KNOW THIS
>>FROM A FIRST HAND EXPERIENCE
>>BEING THE SON OF A
>>SINGLE MOTHER WHO TRIED TO
>>RAISE ME TO AVOID PHYSICAL
>>CONFRONTATION AT ALL COSTS...(didn't work
>>also).......Plus, there are just things
>>a boy can NOT discuss
>>with a woman for guidance
>>and understanding...Plus....
>

You replied...

>I mentored a young man for
>2 years (from age 16-18).
> He did not have
>a male he could talk
>to but he had his
>male peers and that helped
>him grow. The lack
>of a stable/strong father figure
>did not prove to be
>an obstacle for his personal
>development. The one thing
>I noticed was how open
>Q was with me...about everything.
> When he got a
>girl pregnant, was suspended from
>school for carrying a knife
>and when he was falsely
>arrested he called me.
>I listened to him and
>sometimes I would meet with
>Q and his male peers
>to talk about issues relating
>to being a man relating
>to women.
>
>I am certain that my guidance
>helped Q become a more
>mature man but we all
>worked as a team to
>help him-- mother, step-father, friends,
>other young men, other female/male
>mentors. That's real youth
>development.

This is REAL youth development and the funny thing is that's how it should be within a SANE COMMUNITY for EACH and EVERY CHILD...
Only within the confines of a SAFE and SANE community...Anyhoo..

While I am sure your counsel on male/female relations was appreciated by the young brutha it's my opinion that the greatest advising brutha Q could've achieved in those relations (if a healthy, SOMEWHAT developed one...) is that with the step-father...Hopefully he could FULLY appreciate the role he was filling...I say this not to undermine your advice but altogether it will be easier for the brutha to realize his position in america and how to conduct himself....This is something that only a MAN OF COLOR could notice from a FIRST PERSON view...No offense...but who could explin the triumphs and pitfalls, joys and pains of black women better...Talib Kweli or Ursula Rucker???


>>The world is tough without us...You'd
>>be SURPRISED at all the
>>little things our strength can
>>accomplish. Even when you
>>break it down to the
>>point of moving heavy objects
>>around the apartment/house, a man,
>>in the most basic sense,
>>is a utility no woman
>>can/should be without...
>
>I can pay someone to move
>heavy objects or I can
>do it myself and/or ask
>for help from my friends
>(male or female). What
>I can't pay for is
>a man who will be
>more than a role defined
>by a society that places
>value on things that does
>not support me. I
>need more than that to
>be in a real relationship.

Unclear. I'm a simple man...Please explain further on what you mean by "What I can't pay for is a man who will be more than a role defined by a society that places value on things that does
not support me. I need more than that to be in a real relationship. I am already a whole person. I need another whole person (man) to be there for me. He can lift heavy things, too (if he wants)."

YOU ARE A WHOLE PERSON, eh? Do you cook couscous as well????

>
>"Know thyself"
>
>"There is a difference between knowing
>the path and walking the
>path"
>--Morpheus in "The Matrix"

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fatherlessness & blk women [View all] , rgv, Mon May-21-01 07:11 AM
 
Subject Author Message Date ID
funny that u posted this...
May 21st 2001
1
great post...
May 21st 2001
2
thats bs
May 21st 2001
3
Thank you...
May 21st 2001
4
fav quote of the day:
May 21st 2001
5
RE: fav quote of the day:
May 31st 2001
40
RE: Thank you...
masani
May 21st 2001
6
RE: Thank you...
May 21st 2001
7
RE: Thank you...
May 23rd 2001
16
Hey, I'm not scared to answer this
May 21st 2001
8
Educate & Enlighten Us
May 22nd 2001
9
      RE: Educate & Enlighten Us
May 22nd 2001
10
           RE: Educate & Enlighten Us
May 22nd 2001
11
           Sounds like U
May 22nd 2001
12
                RE: Sounds like U
May 22nd 2001
13
                     That is so deep
May 23rd 2001
15
                          RE: That is so deep
May 23rd 2001
17
                               Thanks for sharing.
Jun 04th 2001
44
RE: fatherlessness & blk women
May 23rd 2001
14
RE: fatherlessness & blk women
SheRise
May 24th 2001
18
      Whoa...I had to read that 3 times...
May 26th 2001
24
I just want more people to talk about this issue..^
May 25th 2001
19
RE: fatherlessness & blk women
May 25th 2001
20
YEP.
May 25th 2001
21
RE: YEP.
May 25th 2001
22
      RE: YEP.
May 25th 2001
23
           Abusive Fathers
May 29th 2001
33
RE: fatherlessness & blk women
philiagoddess
May 26th 2001
25
      PEACE, sis...
May 26th 2001
26
           What is strength
May 26th 2001
28
          
                RE: Good Points, may I add...
May 26th 2001
31
           RE: PEACE, bro...
philiagoddess
May 29th 2001
36
           RE: PEACE, bro...
Jun 05th 2001
47
           UNtrue
May 30th 2001
37
                Protectors??? gimmeabreak.
Ylana
May 31st 2001
39
                RE: Protectors??? gimmeabreak.
Jun 05th 2001
46
                     4 YLANLA & YASETSHEGO
Jun 05th 2001
49
                          I was about to be offended
Jun 06th 2001
50
                               RE: I was about to be offended
Jun 06th 2001
53
                                    RE: I was about to be offended
Jun 07th 2001
57
                                         Whoa, sis....
Jun 07th 2001
61
                                              Furthermore,
Jun 07th 2001
62
                                              Please do,
Jun 12th 2001
64
                                              Oh okay,
Jun 12th 2001
63
                RE:True
Jun 05th 2001
48
                     Questlove is not white
Jun 06th 2001
51
Children need both...
May 26th 2001
27
my answers
May 26th 2001
30
Answers
May 26th 2001
32
i'll answer...
May 29th 2001
34
RE: i'll answer, too
philiagoddess
May 29th 2001
35
got me thinkin.....
May 30th 2001
38
RE: Yo love, congrats
philiagoddess
Jun 01st 2001
41
tho ur not blk
Jun 01st 2001
42
      we have this joke,
Jun 01st 2001
43
RE: fatherlessness & blk women
Jun 04th 2001
45
it's simple to me
Jun 06th 2001
52
RE: fatherlessness & blk women
Amerllis
Jun 06th 2001
54
RE: fatherlessness & blk women
Amerllis
Jun 06th 2001
55
My neice
Jun 06th 2001
56
I am glad that you realize that.
Jun 07th 2001
58
WAIT, but whut about
Jun 07th 2001
59
      RE: WAIT, but whut about
Jun 07th 2001
60
           Solitayre's Good Black Man
Jun 12th 2001
65
DEFINE "FATHER" FOR ME AGAIN
Jun 12th 2001
66
Great line in a great song.
Jun 12th 2001
67
here's my $0.02
Jun 12th 2001
68
RE: here's my $0.02
Jun 12th 2001
70
I admire you for this
Jun 13th 2001
72
RE: I admire you for this
Jun 13th 2001
76
      Girl,
Jun 13th 2001
80
that's my point
Jun 13th 2001
73
WEll,
Jun 13th 2001
74
This is my point
Jun 13th 2001
75
      Indeed
Jun 13th 2001
78
      I like that hard w/o soft
Jun 13th 2001
82
Hmmmmm.....
Jun 13th 2001
71
      It took years...
Jun 13th 2001
77
      That is deep
Jun 13th 2001
81
      RE: Hmmmmm.....
Jun 13th 2001
79
...
Jun 12th 2001
69

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