>actually the people I see calling him a great person off the
>field knew him very well....Dave Winfield ...Tom Kelly....Ron
>Gardenhire...Jack Morris.....I saw all of them speak on how
>good a person he was off the field last night...
i was talking about people on HERE, sorry for not specifying. and okay, former teammates, managers, etc who were part of his fraternity. would you expect them to say any less? would you EXPECT them to talk about his shortcomings? you know as well as i do that those things are glossed over and brushed under the rug, especially since many other athletes have had a lot of the same issues.

>>was surprised as well how the lovefest for him poured out
>when
>>he had the stroke.
>
>Why would you be suprised that when a person is dying, folks
>speak of the good more than the bad?? I mean...that's kind of
>how it works...When people die, or get sick, folks speak on
>the good they did.....and it usually works that way because
>most people realize that we all have human shortcomings, and
>it's what preponderates over one's life that get's known the
>most....
you mean when someone FAMOUS is dying. famous people when ill are given a tremendous pass for everything else in their life up to that point. and whatever, i'm not mad at them for receiving this treatment, just call it what it is. regular people are not given such adulation.


>my most recent memory of him were the
>>numerous incidents with women that had him in legal battles.
>
>your recent memories of him were accusations...never convicted
>of a crime....never settled out of court with anyone. The
>good the guy was known for before those accusations outweighs
>the accusations by a long shot....
when someone's wife, who is going to get 50% of it all anyway, says certain things, repeatedly, it's not just an accusation anymore. maybe to you it isn't, but i take it to have some validity. and if you knew anything about the legal system you'd know peoples biases (ie being a state hero) often weigh heavily on whether someone is found guilty or innocent.

>and as a person who has been accused of things by
>females..that were simply not true...I don't automaticlly buy
>the accusations, because I know females can be dishonest about
>those types of things.....and I'm broke..far from a
>millionaire, and I can just imagine ya know.
if you're accused of these things by your wife you or her needs some serious help.

>>if OJ died tomorrow, would he be remembered as fondly?
>
>being accused of double murder doesn't raise to the level as
>being assused of fondling a female at a bar....
what about repeatedly beating your wife, or holding someone against their will? it demonstrates on its face a pattern of violence against women.

>some people would remember OJ fondly...many would not.
NOT LIKE THIS!
>
>and
>>let's recall he beat his wife but was found NOT GUILTY of
>>double murder...
>
>let's also recall that the incident OJ was involved in is
>probably one of the top 3 convered news stories in the history
>of modern planet earth.....Kirby's problems were not presented
>on the same stage...
yeah, because nobody ended up dead and kirby, for all his glory, was never as famous or as visible nationwide as OJ simpson.

>and actually...let's use an even better example...
>
>Jim Brown....
>
>Jim Brown was known for putting hands on females for
>years....yet he's been an activist and a stand up guy for his
>entire public life...
good point. another one given a pass. i'm not here to tear someone down but really, i don't consider a "stand up guy" someone who feels the need to beat up on women, especially someone who made his name running over piles of large men. nothing stand up there. has he done a lot of positive? yeah. but his hit list would probably have a different perspective of all that.

>I believe his good far outweighs his bad...because I can
>respect the fact that even though a person has
>shortcomings...they work to try and impact positive change in
>society.....
would you believe this good if those women were related to you?
don't cop pleas for people you are likely several degrees separated from.

>>point is, people choose to like and forgive who they want
>to,
>>people play favorites and ignore or block out whatever they
>>want.
>
>I just disagree...bringing up these type of issues at the time
>of someone's death is really classless to me....not the time
>to be measuring who is playing favorites or any of that....
so glossing over and revising history shows remarkable class? like our forefathers *sniff sniff* who started this great country? on the backs of blacks, right? classless to point that out, isn't it. man GTFOHWTB.

>it's just a totally inappropriate time.....and really petty if
>you ask me....
everyone has a point of view. i can honestly say while i didn't say anything overtly about it, i didn't feel the sense of loss that many other fans did.