>I am 25yrs old im way
>beyond needing a hero. I'm
>a grown ass man who
>pays rent and bills. No
>one said Tupac was flawless.
>But musically speaking he was
>great you cant deny that.
>Also you say people keep
>talking about the realness of
>Pac but when you say
>Bullshit like this
>
>"Potential tragically lost
>Paranoia
>Convicted rapists
>Always blame the media
>Will always have the people's support
>b/c people always want to
>cling on to something
>Angst
>lost souls
>Problems mostly self-imposed
>continually blame the lack of father
>figure/guidance, when both were/are grown
>ass men who should have/should
>take responsibility for self
>vacillate between respect for women and
>utter disrespect
>lashing out for no reason"
>
>Then we have to set your
>misinformed ass straight.

How am I misinformed? Everything I said about him and Tyson was/is true. The similarities are striking. For a grown ass man you have trouble accepting your hero's obvious flaws.


If you have
>half a brain you no
>that being a black male
>in this society just because
>your convicted of something doesnt
>mean you did it.

Did I say that? I said convicted. If I meant 'rapists' alone, I would have said it like that. Answer this: was he or was he not convicted? Now to play devil's advocate: How do you know he didn't do it? Were you there?

The
>system is messed up and
>Pac constatly pointed that out
>in his rhymes and did
>it in a dope way.

But what did he do about the system? Oh, I guess his conditioning was conditioned. At one point (when he was jailed), he talked about turning his shit around. At around this era me against the world was out and that was a bangin album that had tremendous relevance. He was about to reach his true potential. Next thing you know, Suge springs him out of jail and all of a sudden he's thuggin again. Ultimately Pac, like Tyson, was weak. In the end he was a follower. He was about to beat the system, instead he succumbed to the system and ultimately died b/c he chose that path.

>The reality is also alot
>of black males dont have
>father figures and he projected
>that pain on records and
>in my book thats being
>real.

Yes. That's real, that's reality. But once you're a grown man 'paying bills' as you say, its time to BE a man. You can't let that shit hang over your head throughout your life. You have to overcome that. It might work when you're a teen, but at some point you're going to have to take responsibility for yourself and your actions as a man. Pac seemed to reach this realization, but then he flipped it back to the thug shit.

All that thug shit
>aside the brother was genuine
>in his music and I
>feel what hes saying. So
>can 7 million other people

I didn't say he wasn't felt. All I'm saying is that he lacked a certain requisite skill level to be the GOAT.

>so what he didnt use
>complex rhymes he got his
>message across and people understood
>what he was saying.

So does DMX. Your point?

>Thats what makes a dope
>MC breaking down complex topics
>and conveying them so all
>people can digest what your
>saying. Believe me thats not
>easy not everyone can do
>that.

Never said he wasn't dope. Told ya'll that I'm a fan but he's not the GOAT.

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