>You're like the great censor that
>gets to decide what is
>acceptable art & what isn't.
>Anger isn't acceptable in art,
>even ignorance doesn't have a
>place is art.
>
>You say "this is supposed to
>be art" about a song
>full of passion when ART
>is formed out of some
>type of passion.


Whatever makes your boat float. I'm really not trying to dictate what anyone should or shouldn't do. I'm just giving my opinion of Tupac's actions. That's all. Passion is important when it comes to art. No doubt. I'm being specific, not general. In my opinion, Pac played himself with all that stuff. As much as Pac spit hate at all of these people, I betcha he'd trade places with them right now.



>>At that point I lost respect for Pac because I viewed him as a >hypocrite and a follower.
>
>Who'd he follow? How did he
>contradict himself?

I eventually answered this. The importance of Suge in all of this cannot be overlooked. That's who he followed. That's who he was beholden to when he was released from Rikers. That's the terrible influence that led him astray. I think Pac knew that too. He was caught up in something very very bad. For whatever reason he didn't leave in time. He wasn't from down here, so I think he was somewhat naive about the seriousness of his environment. I may be digressing but it's simple mathmatics. Any group of Bloods in southern Cali, if they ride from area to area mashing on this person and that person, making runs to Vegas and rolling deep will find themselves caught up for the simple fact that in the big picture they are seriously outnumbered here. Sure you can look at Suge and say, "hey I wouldn't run up on that fool", but anyone can be touched. That's basiclly what happened. Friend of mine tints windows for a living and did the window in a house Pac had outhere. We went with him because he was nervous. Pac was cool, we know some of the same peeps from up north, but I left there thinking, something's not right. There were n***as all over his crib "flamed up(obviously bloods)" Pac had this really nervous demeanor. He seemed uncomfortable. I had bad vibes about that. Pac was dead like a month later.




>2) you don't get to dictate
>how a person handles their
>emotions..tupac can & did do
>what he wanted.

not trying to dictate. Just expressing an opinion.



>>My problem with stuff like that is rappers promote beefs and >hatred that too often spills off the CD into real life.
>>It is embarrasing and childish.
>
>Actually what you've decribed is rare...and
>it certainly didn't happen in
>the case of pac or
>big (they didn't kill each
>other did they?) nor did
>Mobb Deep or anyone else
>addressed on that song kill
>Pac. So what exactly are
>you talking about? In fact,
>please tell me what rapper/or
>affiliate you know killed another
>over a song? Please justify
>that "often spills off CD"
>statement. Maybe you should stop
>believing everything mtv tells you.
>Maybe then you wouldn't be
>embarrassed lies.

I didn't necessarily mean that it spills off the CD and causes violence between rappers, although that obviously does happen. I was speaking more upon the affect things like that have on our young people. Kids that worshiped Pac and others. I'd say the same about Snoop and his banging on records. There are people dying on the streets over something that he's using as a marketing tool in a sense. I don't care how real it is to him. That's why Snoop has some problems within his own area of LB. Here they are waring with bloods and Snoop is traveling all over the world and riding for a blood owned label (until he left). Not cool.

>>Real people, huh. I send kites monthly to brothers who
>>react to situations in that way. Some I even ask Allah to show >favor upon because they are no longer with us in human
>>form.
>
>Your point? I said he sounded
>like how real people sound
>when they get pissed off?
>Agree? Sometimes art reflects
>real life situations & emotions..its
>ain't always pretty. Doesn't mean
>it can't be shown.

Nor does it mean that I can't form and express an opinion about it.

>Hon, I read the article too.
>He didn't say the beef
>was formulated, as in he
>made it up. It was
>clear at that time he
>had rethought his position.

Maybe not in those words, but you cannot deny that there was a major diffence in the Tupac in that interview, and the one calling Dr. Dre a rellic and saying he did Faith.

>>That will be the Pac I remember. Humble, remorseful, with
>>a desire to live a better life. And most importantly
>>real.
>
>You can't dictate what Pac was
>& should've been.

No, but I can give an opinion about it.

Apparently he
>had diversity to his character.
>What this has to do
>with whether he was a
>great emcee or not is
>beyond me BUT we can
>keep it up.

The MC's that touched my life for the better, had character, at least that's what came across on their work. It uplifted. I think that's what hip hop was/is supposed to do. At least, that's my opinion.



>>He knows Big and Puff had nothing to do with him getting stuck.
>> He later said that Big could have spoke up on it and made it
>>not happen.
>
>Maybe later that's what he thought...duh.
>ever changed your mind about
>anything. Ever had beef, thought
>somebody was involved, then decided
>they wasn't then changed your
>mind based on new info?
>He was a human being.
>
>
>>That has been proven to be BS.
>Proven by who? & regardless it
>doesn't mean HE believed it
>to be bullshit.
>
>>In the VIBE interview he took responsibilty for his
>>own actions. THAT is what a real man does. Not blame and >complain like a little b****.
>
>Umm..again, this has to do with
>him being a great emcee
>how?
>Tupac was man not God, man
>often makes mistakes in judgment.
>
And they often play themselves. And for that they suffer consequences. That's what happened.






>
>>He gets out of jail and gets around that environment (actually
>>gets jumped into M.O.B.) and travels down the road
>>to his demise. Follower.
>
>Again...you don't know what was in
>his heart.

Nor do you. But I do know how he presented himself to the world. That's all I can speak on. I know he was a better person than that. It was a tremendous waste of talent.





>>How can you give so much props to someone who's so switchy switchy.
>
>Because if your life was under
>a microscope, I'm sure I'd
>find inconsistencies in your character
>too. In the end, the
>aspects of Pac's character that
>I appreciated still remained.
>
They do for me too. They really do. I'm just big on young people taking responsiblily for their actions, and being leaders not followers. From my perspective, this blind worship of Tupac baffles my mind. Like you said he was just a man. People are so freaking gullible (not saying you, but I get in Pac discussions w/ people all the time) to follow someone elses lead regardless of right or wrong. Greatest Mc ever is an opinion. I would say that he was great. But he's hardly the greatest in my book. But to each his own.


>
>
>>Not really. Again my only thoughts about that song and
>>all the other Nas and Jay Z are fake songs was, this is going too far. How sad.
>
>That is your opinion. the point
>remains, you called it venom.
>You felt the heat, you
>felt the anger, you felt
>the immaturity & it saddened
>you. Point remains you felt
>Pac, you just didn't like
>what you felt.
>
>Like I said, SKILL.

When I eat too many collard greens I feel the heat. But that don't make it a good thing.



>>>> Instead of dissing, Pac should have taken heed.
>>>> Now there living, and Pac is not.
>>>
>>>And that conclusion has to do with Pac being one of
>>>the greatest (according to some the greatest, though not me)
>>>how?
>>
>>About as much as "the most passionate diss song of all-time"
>>does.
>
>I'm talking about the quality &
>emotions of his work &
>you're talking about he shouldn't
>have gone their. regardless, you
>have not refuted the passion
>in the work, the delivery
>or the manifestation of his
>personality at the time. Like
>I said, it takes talent.
>He had it. Art as
>well as emceeing is not
>a science, it can't be
>measured like water. Pac was
>not the best in any
>one area besides passionate delivery.
>But he's an all around
>great.
>>
>>If you want to hear the Greatest rapper of all-time.
>>Buy this CD and study it:
>
>hon please, I grew up with
>KRS1..I saw him & LaRock
>perform...come better than that. Don't
>try to teach me what
>I lived. I don't debate
>that KRS is among the
>greatest. He is in an
>elite class that also includes
>Pac.

It's 5:00 and I have to go home and watch the Lakers beat Utah.
Blessings.

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