You're like the great censor that gets to decide what is acceptable art & what isn't. Anger isn't acceptable in art, even ignorance doesn't have a place is art.

You say "this is supposed to be art" about a song full of passion when ART is formed out of some type of passion.

>At that point I lost respect for Pac because I viewed him as a >hypocrite and a follower.

Who'd he follow? How did he contradict himself?

>To each his own folks, but that was on some straight
>ignorance. This is supposed to be music, art. If he felt that >way, go speak to them fools in person.

1) that opinion has nothing to do with the music.
2) you don't get to dictate how a person handles their emotions..tupac can & did do what he wanted.

>My problem with stuff like that is rappers promote beefs and >hatred that too often spills off the CD into real life.
>It is embarrasing and childish.

Actually what you've decribed is rare...and it certainly didn't happen in the case of pac or big (they didn't kill each other did they?) nor did Mobb Deep or anyone else addressed on that song kill Pac. So what exactly are you talking about? In fact, please tell me what rapper/or affiliate you know killed another over a song? Please justify that "often spills off CD" statement. Maybe you should stop believing everything mtv tells you. Maybe then you wouldn't be embarrassed lies.

>>nah..actually he sounded like how real people can sound when >they get pissed.
>
>Real people, huh. I send kites monthly to brothers who
>react to situations in that way. Some I even ask Allah to show >favor upon because they are no longer with us in human
>form.

Your point? I said he sounded like how real people sound when they get pissed off? Agree? Sometimes art reflects real life situations & emotions..its ain't always pretty. Doesn't mean it can't be shown.

>I got it from Tupac's own words. The VIBE magazine
>article he gave from jail was a sober minded Tupac
>speaking the real.

Hon, I read the article too. He didn't say the beef was formulated, as in he made it up. It was clear at that time he had rethought his position.

>That will be the Pac I remember. Humble, remorseful, with
>a desire to live a better life. And most importantly
>real.

You can't dictate what Pac was & should've been. Apparently he had diversity to his character. What this has to do with whether he was a great emcee or not is beyond me BUT we can keep it up.

>He knows Big and Puff had nothing to do with him getting stuck.
> He later said that Big could have spoke up on it and made it
>not happen.

Maybe later that's what he thought...duh. ever changed your mind about anything. Ever had beef, thought somebody was involved, then decided they wasn't then changed your mind based on new info? He was a human being.

>That has been proven to be BS.
Proven by who? & regardless it doesn't mean HE believed it to be bullshit.

>In the VIBE interview he took responsibilty for his
>own actions. THAT is what a real man does. Not blame and >complain like a little b****.

Umm..again, this has to do with him being a great emcee how?
Tupac was man not God, man often makes mistakes in judgment.

>He gets out of jail and gets around that environment (actually
>gets jumped into M.O.B.) and travels down the road
>to his demise. Follower.

Again...you don't know what was in his heart.

>How can you give so much props to someone who's so switchy switchy.

Because if your life was under a microscope, I'm sure I'd find inconsistencies in your character too. In the end, the aspects of Pac's character that I appreciated still remained.

Besides, his character is not the issue. His art & abilities as an emcee are. I can't think Woody Allen is a child molesting perveret, does that mean he didn't make good movies.


>Not really. Again my only thoughts about that song and
>all the other Nas and Jay Z are fake songs was, this is going too far. How sad.

That is your opinion. the point remains, you called it venom. You felt the heat, you felt the anger, you felt the immaturity & it saddened you. Point remains you felt Pac, you just didn't like what you felt.

Like I said, SKILL.
>
>>
>>> Instead of dissing, Pac should have taken heed.
>>> Now there living, and Pac is not.
>>
>>And that conclusion has to do with Pac being one of
>>the greatest (according to some the greatest, though not me)
>>how?
>
>About as much as "the most passionate diss song of all-time"
>does.

I'm talking about the quality & emotions of his work & you're talking about he shouldn't have gone their. regardless, you have not refuted the passion in the work, the delivery or the manifestation of his personality at the time. Like I said, it takes talent. He had it. Art as well as emceeing is not a science, it can't be measured like water. Pac was not the best in any one area besides passionate delivery. But he's an all around great.
>
>If you want to hear the Greatest rapper of all-time.
>Buy this CD and study it:

hon please, I grew up with KRS1..I saw him & LaRock perform...come better than that. Don't try to teach me what I lived. I don't debate that KRS is among the greatest. He is in an elite class that also includes Pac.