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43. "RE: Who wants to guess..."
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>>It comes out of the hills and fields, and it shares purity
>>and heritage with Appalachian songs, Native American circle
>>music, and Shaker hymns.
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>If many of the torch bearers of the music did not come from
>the heritage of Apalachia, were not Native American...nor
>did they reside in hills and fields....then it is NOT a
>direct off-shoot of folk music...

1) "It shares a purity and heritage with..."

Not "It came from..."

2) "Blues is a FOLK FORM"

Not "Blues came from folk music."

Blues in its original form IS folk music.

It changed during and after the Great Migration, but that's how it started.

They didn't play blues in church.

Not in dance halls, even village ones.

No one taught it, and not too many people with two good eyes played it in public.

Blues was played on streets and porches. Those streets were dirt, and those porches had a few generations of dead dogs under 'em.

Blues is folk music.

>folk music is an element...but blues and gospel music are
>DIRECTLY birthed from the actualy EXPERIENCES of black
>people in America....and although the elements of their
>oppressor are certainly in the genre....that's NOT where it
>CAME FROM....

You get so tied up and self-righteous.

Blues came from experience...but gospel came from tradition.

No one saw the actual light of Jesus's face every day.

Gospel was a deliberate (though heartfelt) empowering mechanism, one that created community and reinforced tradition. Gospel is an expression of God through the self.

Blues is an expression of the actual self, through song and speech.

Of course it has broader implications, nothing but, and that's where the blues/gospel overlap lies, but I at least see distinct differences of intent, function, and performance.

Forget how much you think I'm a racist cultural cat-burglar for two seconds and have this discussion.

Alek
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I know you got Soul [View all] , k_orr, Wed Sep-18-02 04:05 PM
 
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Blues & The Church
Sep 19th 2002
1
well, with the blues and the church
Sep 19th 2002
2
      kinda sorta.
Sep 19th 2002
3
      RE: kinda sorta.
Sep 19th 2002
9
      field cries & the blues ...
Sep 19th 2002
12
           or maybe a better way of explaining it
Sep 19th 2002
16
                but a lot of early gospel
Sep 19th 2002
17
                     oh---waitaminute
Sep 19th 2002
18
                     naw, that wasn't the point
Sep 19th 2002
20
                          that's true
Sep 19th 2002
21
                               spirituals and gospel
Sep 19th 2002
22
                     inbox
Sep 19th 2002
19
RE: I know you got Soul
Sep 19th 2002
4
RE: I know you got Soul
Sep 19th 2002
5
but
Sep 19th 2002
6
      what does hip-hop have in common w/ anything?
Sep 19th 2002
7
           hip-hop is the new blues
Sep 19th 2002
8
                yes.....
Sep 19th 2002
10
                and also
Sep 19th 2002
11
                interesting
Sep 19th 2002
14
                RE: hip-hop is the new blues
Sep 19th 2002
23
                     just my fckin luck
Sep 19th 2002
24
                     Just trying to keep you accurate brethren...
Sep 19th 2002
25
                          i aint mad
Sep 19th 2002
31
                               RE: i aint mad
Sep 19th 2002
36
                                    Q.E.D.
Sep 19th 2002
38
                                         RE: Q.E.D.
Sep 19th 2002
57
                     Dub C
Sep 19th 2002
26
                          pretty much.
Sep 19th 2002
27
                          you're switching up what
Sep 19th 2002
30
                               i ain't switch up shit.
Sep 19th 2002
35
                          don't know bout dat Wendell
Sep 19th 2002
29
                               often
Sep 19th 2002
33
                               dude, you sound stupid.
Sep 19th 2002
34
                               RE: dude, you sound stupid.
Sep 19th 2002
37
                                    this is why i left.
Sep 19th 2002
39
                                         look....
Sep 19th 2002
47
                                              i'll tell ta this, WC
Sep 19th 2002
50
                                                   everyone is biased....
Sep 19th 2002
                                                        i've listened.
Sep 19th 2002
52
                               warren
Sep 19th 2002
41
                                    being that
Sep 19th 2002
44
                                         LOL
Sep 19th 2002
45
RE: I know you got Soul
Sep 19th 2002
13
sad thing is
Sep 19th 2002
15
Who wants to guess...
Sep 19th 2002
28
RE: Who wants to guess...
Sep 19th 2002
32
      Not 'the blues is folk music'
Sep 19th 2002
40
      no shit.
Sep 19th 2002
42
           back the question Alek...
Sep 19th 2002
56
                while we're in the classroom...
Sep 19th 2002
58
                     all I'm saying is that
Sep 20th 2002
62
                          blues IS folk music
Sep 20th 2002
63
                          I think you misunderstand
Sep 20th 2002
64
                               hes not saying its folk like
Sep 20th 2002
65
                               I'm clear on that...
Sep 20th 2002
67
                                    For example
Sep 20th 2002
68
                               I know what he's trying to say...
Sep 20th 2002
66
     
           Two things
Sep 19th 2002
46
                Well-stated?
Sep 19th 2002
48
                sign of a man
Sep 19th 2002
51
                     look -
Sep 19th 2002
59
                          ya know
Sep 20th 2002
61
                It takes a board of millions
Sep 19th 2002
49
                     which is wack
Sep 19th 2002
55
Let's just think in terms of today for a minute...
Sep 19th 2002
53
welp!
Sep 19th 2002
54
Damn k.orr...
Sep 19th 2002
60
WARREN AND EVERYBODY:
Sep 22nd 2002
69
*raises hand*
Sep 22nd 2002
70
Otha Turner is folk
Sep 23rd 2002
73
RE: *raises hand*
Sep 23rd 2002
83
      Alek..here's where you're losing me....
Sep 24th 2002
89
           Okay, I'll do my best for everyone...
Sep 24th 2002
90
FOLK THAT!!!!
Sep 23rd 2002
71
relax Opie....
Sep 23rd 2002
72
      objection
Sep 23rd 2002
74
      Is your name Alek...
Sep 23rd 2002
75
           my name aint Alek, but
Sep 23rd 2002
76
                RE: my name aint Alek, but
Sep 23rd 2002
77
                     un-muddy your reasoning, black.
Sep 23rd 2002
78
                          my reasoning if far from muddied...
Sep 23rd 2002
80
                               so what are joni and bob dylan then?
Sep 23rd 2002
81
                                    They're folk to me...
Sep 23rd 2002
82
      assumptions, assumptions...
Sep 23rd 2002
84
Reading/Listening recommendations?
Sep 23rd 2002
79
Is there anything...
Sep 24th 2002
85
historical significance???
Sep 24th 2002
86
RE: Is there anything...
Sep 24th 2002
87
      Warren coolidge....
Sep 24th 2002
88

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