>I changed my mind about my decision to leave the Lesson
>forever, and my first day back THIS is what I get…
>
>morning, Coolidge!

You can't leave man...you may try. But you know you'll be back....I hope warren coolidge's pollitically incorrect attempts to affect your preceptions has not soured you on the lessen....rest assured that warren coolidge means no harm and is generally a rather calm fellow....he just has a lot of "energy" regarding certain things..so, don't take it personal brother...



>

>
>most new music movements are accompanied by cultures and
>styles of dress, and it's interesting to see how some
>veteran acts have gone through appropriating this series of
>cultures, but they have largely been unsuccessful at doing
>so with hip-hop (the Isley Brothers being a notable
>exception)

well, I would make a distinction between "older" acts trying to fit into the current hip hop asthetic....and "older" artists being relevent....

If you're sampling my music...then I'm relevent...

but, I'll agree that brother Ron looks a little silly with the Mr. Big thing.....personally I think its sad that brothers feel like they have to demean, and regress to immature styles...they shouldn't have to do that, and the fact that they do is demonstrative of the larger problem that warren coolidge has addressed on a couple of occasions....on the one hand I'm glad that they can still tour and make money...on the other hand...It's sad that they have to fit into an immature asthetic...to seem "current"......The isley brothers are one of the greatest and most prolific groups in the history of american music..yet in 2002, they have to demean themselves to stay current...If that isn't one of the best examples of what's effed up about todays black/urban music, I don't know what is....



>
>>but once you get to
>>>hip-hop, all artists of the past become persona non grata,
>>>and all the hightop fades Earth Wind and Fire and the
>>>Temptations may adopt do not change the fact that they are
>>>instantly rendered irrelevant.
>>
>>I don't believe that is accurate. The way this is said makes
>>you think that the first time Rappers delight was played on
>>the radio...all of the sudden all the soul/funk/R&B/jazz
>>artists become irrelevent. Nothing could be further from
>>the truth:
>>
>
>"rappers delight" was not the beginning of the hip-hop era,
>friend.

I know that. But rappers delight was the first "blow" that hip hop struck into the popular culture...it was the first rap record played on prime time urban radio....sure hip hop came from a more underground "earthier...(don't know if that's the right word)" place....but regardless...there was a lot less disconnect between the current music r&b/funk state at that time, and hip hop.....it was more of an evolution then a rejection...but, we've agreed to disagree on that before...it's really just semantic......you're more "cinematic" with your style.."kill" "rejected" and all that stuff...lol.


it was a novelty. but look back at what was going on
>on BET by 1988 or so… you can see the older acts struggling
>to keep their spot on the jukebox.

uh....not really...I mean, maybe in an individual level.....certain groups were falling off...but a lot of groups weren't...Cameo sold sold a bunch of records around that time....so did guys like Luther and other "soul"(don't start w/ me about luther not being soul) but those folks sold records...if you look at video soul of that era, you have rap, soul, funk, and jazz elements in "mainstream" urban/black music....it was still there.


>
>>1) One of the main components of hip hop's DNA is the usage
>>of "old" or previously made records in the music. Sampling.
>>Dj's usage of records to make music. So just by it's
>>nature, these older artists are far from relevent, they are
>>actually essential in the make up of hip hop music.
>
>yeah… their OLD shit. but who wants to hear their NEW stuff?
>sure, we sample the hell out of Isaac Hayes' "walk on by"
>and "look of love", but when he dropped Branded, who gave a
>shit?

Certainly Branded may not have been to the quality of black moses, hot buttered soul, shaft, or sahara tahoe....but does that mean that Isaac Hayes is not relevent to black music today? I wouldn't say that. Today's popular music, whether urban or otherwise, is primarily marketed to our young people....and, not to be harsh, but I cannot use todays young people's tastes as a guide to relvency...not even close.

The other thing is that...in a lot of cases, I feel that the perception of "old school" makes folks miss out on a lot of good music...one would assume that a new Isaac Hayes album is not going to be good, but to some maybe it was very good...I mean, you liked Solomon Burke's new one right....how many folks even know who solomon burke is....that certainly didn't alter your openness to liking his latest....on the hip hop side...take Krs one's prophets vs. profits.....some are so hell bent on characterizing and critisizing Krs...but missing the fact that this is a quality album with one of, if not the greatest rapper ever brining fire and brimstone and showing that he's still the boss with the hot sauce....



>
> To and
>>one of your favorite topics in.....I see a lot of the dress
>>code styles of the 70's in the likes of grand master flash,
>>Africa Bambata, etc....in fact a very concise argument can
>>be made that hip hop was the most recent incarnation of the
>>evolution of FUNK.
>
>okay… this is getting to a place I don't want to go…

disagree if you like...but you know the type of Black musical evolution that I find accurate did not come out of the mind of warren coolidge...it's accepted by tons of scholars....none of which by the way have I ever read...it's just a perception that seems pretty obvious to me, and others I guess....I actually wrote a paper on it when I was in the 11th grade...in 198?

>
>>
>>Looking specificlly at P-funk.....The current transidental
>>Mothership voyage that has lasted from about 1988 until
>>present was made possible by hip hop's usage of Pfunk
>>material. Pfunk actually may have died had it not been for
>>hip hop increasing intrest in the music, and thus making it
>>possible for them to tour. One thing they will never have
>>to worry about is being able to sell tickets for tours and
>>hip hop helped bring that to a new generation....there are
>>young people who weren't even alive when the mothership was
>>flying high, that now know albout it and are members of the
>>thumpasaurus people....
>>
>>
>>The "demise" of the bands in terms of urban music is a very
>>recent thing. So, if one were to say that musicianship is
>>irrelevent to the hip hop youth of today, that would be a
>>true statement. There are reasons for this that warren
>>coolidge has discussed a couple of times..lol. But to
>>generalize and say that it became irrelevent as soon as hip
>>hop came on the scene...is inaccurate.
>
>whatever, man.

It's true though.....forget the Pfunk since you don't respect it....but ask some young crate diggers....if not for hip hop, they wouldn't dig...the music would be left to be appreciated by old foggies like warren coolidge....hip hop helped keep it alive..

and relevent.