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>Now the question is black music from a 'strictly' secular >nature different than black music that comes from the >church?
as far as being a completely different entity....no, i don't think so
i think even now, the apple doesn't fall far from the tree----because you still have those traits like melisma, polyrhythm, heavy syncopation--bending of notes, call-and-response
> >If it is different, in what ways? > >Soul - Aretha and them folks obviously got trained in the >church and you can hear it, both in content and technique
exactly, i do think it's a form of r&b, just more derived from the church
> >Modern R&B/'Hip Hop Soul' - ummm...I guess you can hear it >in Jodeci? (I very well maybe wrong, being that I only care >about 1 thing)
i think it's an even more modern version of r&b
> >Neo Soul - They seem to take inspiration from something >other than the Church. (Again I could be wrong)
mmmmm----not really-because they still incorporate some of the african derived traits as the ones i listed earlier---traits that are also used in the church----along with other things mixed in sometimes----but they're related
i tend to think of > >How about the Blues or Jazz?
i think a said a little about the blues in another reply
but i think in jazz you have the some traits of european music incorporated along with the blues traits (blues scale, polyrhythm, call-and-response, syncopation), like european rhythm and harmony....and european rhythm is more like a 1-2-3-4 thing-pretty unsyncopated--pretty stiff.....and their harmonies are---and jazz incorporates the blues scale and the european diatonic scale---blues scale has bent notes-like flattened 3-5-7 notes
but as far as the origin of jazz is concerned, it's not very easy to peg down
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