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Topic subjectMarvin Bagley already better than Kuzma will ever be NBA 2/25
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2688990, Marvin Bagley already better than Kuzma will ever be NBA 2/25
Posted by Basaglia, Mon Feb-25-19 11:15 PM

And Bagley legit 10 years younger
2688996, He’s better than Tatum too. 🤷🏻‍♂️
Posted by Ryan M, Mon Feb-25-19 11:53 PM
2688997, Ingram might be better than that 1-hot song azz nigga
Posted by isaaaa, Tue Feb-26-19 12:03 AM

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2689413, Not according to the Pelicans lol
Posted by Lach, Fri Mar-01-19 12:26 PM
2688998, Solid posting.
Posted by TheRealBillyOcean, Tue Feb-26-19 12:14 AM
2688999, Kuzma was #2 overall from a big program????
Posted by isaaaa, Tue Feb-26-19 12:42 AM

Anti-gentrification, cheap alcohol & trying to look pretty in our twilight posting years (c) Big Reg
http://Tupreme.com
2689000, LMAO...... more PLEAS please.
Posted by TheRealBillyOcean, Tue Feb-26-19 01:15 AM
2689001, When he gets rid of those bad habits he picked up last year
Posted by Castro, Tue Feb-26-19 01:53 AM
the sky is the limit!
2689002, A #2 pick is better than a #27 pick?
Posted by ThaTruth, Tue Feb-26-19 03:11 AM
2689011, A 19 year-old better than a 28 year-old? Yep
Posted by Basaglia, Tue Feb-26-19 08:06 AM
2689012, So we’re going off age now?
Posted by ThaTruth, Tue Feb-26-19 08:10 AM
2689018, or PER...or per 36...or eye test...however you wanna do it.
Posted by Basaglia, Tue Feb-26-19 09:03 AM

he better. kuz a one trick pony. and he need help to do that one trick.
2689021, how old is Jabari?
Posted by ThaTruth, Tue Feb-26-19 09:27 AM
2689030, 23 and was better than Kuz will ever be when he was 17
Posted by Basaglia, Tue Feb-26-19 09:55 AM
2689032, so was Lenny Cooke, who cares now?
Posted by ThaTruth, Tue Feb-26-19 09:58 AM
2689033, no he wasn't
Posted by Basaglia, Tue Feb-26-19 10:03 AM
enjoy kuz on defense. he dumb as fuck

https://twitter.com/daliosway/status/1100275867773739009
2689037, where are the clips of "better than PG" getting razzle-dazzled...
Posted by ThaTruth, Tue Feb-26-19 10:06 AM
on defense?
2689042, no clips of BI fucking up a basic zone
Posted by Basaglia, Tue Feb-26-19 10:12 AM
2689397, Its 21 vs 23 year old
Posted by go mack, Fri Mar-01-19 10:58 AM
Im not sure where this large age gap is coming from. lol Trump facts
2689402, you come in the league at 22, you ancient...he 30 now
Posted by Basaglia, Fri Mar-01-19 11:11 AM
2689013, Laker fanatics telling me Kyle is the best player on their roster.
Posted by Beezo, Tue Feb-26-19 08:19 AM
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2689026, The Timberwolves are 1-0 since Ja Rule's Curse
Posted by Marauder21, Tue Feb-26-19 09:29 AM
2689088, Apparently he has now added Sacto to the list of cursed teams?
Posted by Marauder21, Tue Feb-26-19 02:39 PM
https://twitter.com/SacramentoKings/status/1100474961867599872
2689035, BI tracking to be better than all of them
Posted by LA2Philly, Tue Feb-26-19 10:05 AM
2689047, i've long said BI is Duke's best prospect.
Posted by Basaglia, Tue Feb-26-19 10:29 AM
means nothing to me to say he's better than tatum
2689048, Tell us more.
Posted by Beezo, Tue Feb-26-19 10:33 AM
I’m guessing you’ll get plenty of replies to this.
2689050, It's simple. Just look at his trajectory compared to current elite wings
Posted by Cold Truth, Tue Feb-26-19 11:15 AM
At the same point in their careers.

The Magic/Rob/Bron union fucked us out of the patience needed for these guys to grow. So that is what it is.

But BI is keeping pace with Kawhi, Gianniz, George, and Butler at the same point in their careers.
2689073, There’s a lack of patience, agreed, but each player has still developed
Posted by LA2Philly, Tue Feb-26-19 01:30 PM
Kuz is developing, BI is morphing into a star, Lonzo was morphing into a dominant two way team leader before the injury. Hart is the only one who’s truly been hurt by impatience because he did way too much over the summer and it led to his current knee problems.
2689085, WHAT?!
Posted by ThaTruth, Tue Feb-26-19 02:27 PM
>At the same point in their careers.
>
>The Magic/Rob/Bron union fucked us out of the patience needed
>for these guys to grow. So that is what it is.
>
>But BI is keeping pace with Kawhi, Gianniz, George, and Butler
>at the same point in their careers.
2689090, I mean...
Posted by Ryan M, Tue Feb-26-19 03:02 PM
http://bkref.com/tiny/bo7UD

Giannis is a stretch. But look at these other players at age 21 (22 for Jimmy).

Now look at their 3rd seasons: http://bkref.com/tiny/f7pml

It's not that far off.
2689092, All the while having to constantly adjust to a new role
Posted by LA2Philly, Tue Feb-26-19 03:41 PM
Outside of KD, all those guys were allowed to play to their strengths and then develop the rest of their games. BI has constantly been pushed outside of his strengths, constantly been under the limelight, had his timeline sped up...and he's still responded with this type of growth curve.

His mentality and now his play are incredible, all things considered
2689098, what are BI's strengths?
Posted by ThaTruth, Tue Feb-26-19 03:59 PM
2689103, Why are you ignoring the numbers?
Posted by Ryan M, Tue Feb-26-19 05:06 PM
2689104, Why move the comparison to age?
Posted by bentagain, Tue Feb-26-19 06:05 PM
None of the dudes on the list are one and done

...somebody uptop already conceded Giannis before you jump in your feelings...but...but...

Jimmy didn't get minutes as a rookie, and came off the bench in his 2nd season

Kawhi...coming off the bench as a rookie

PG...coming off the bench as a rookie

...but let's compare them at the same age...

LOL, ya'll desperate

BTW, Kuz has more 30pt games this month than BI

Feels like just last week ya'll were escapegoating Bron for BI's struggles

He breaks 30...and now he's on a trajectory to be an MVP candidate

OkayPlayer.

2689125, I see you didn’t read the 3rd season comparisons.
Posted by Ryan M, Tue Feb-26-19 11:32 PM
So no need to continue this. Just say you didn’t and we can move on.
2689158, 3rd season = no playoffs, Wiggins is his comp.
Posted by bentagain, Wed Feb-27-19 09:48 AM
2689165, I accept your apology. I’d change subjects too.
Posted by Ryan M, Wed Feb-27-19 10:18 AM
2689171, Because you're not comparing apples to apples
Posted by bentagain, Wed Feb-27-19 12:06 PM
Hmm...what's different about BI's 3rd season...I can't imagine, LOL

But to drill down more on my point about the start of the other players mentioned careers

Jimmy, PG, Kawhi, and yes, believe it or not, even Giannis, all started their careers for playoff teams

that is to say, they weren't immediately starters, and had to work their way into the lineups

Take PG for example

He sat behind Danny Grangier, until Grangier's injury

which makes his stats for his first 2 seasons less impressive statistically because they weren't given the same opportunity as BI

...so IRT to your 3rd season mountaintop, you're not comparing apples to apples...

3rd season comparison on BI and Wiggy

https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.fcgi?request=1&sum=0&player_id1_hint=Andrew+Wiggins&player_id1_select=Andrew+Wiggins&y1=2017&player_id1=wiggian01&idx=players&player_id2_hint=Brandon+Ingram&player_id2_select=Brandon+Ingram&y2=2019&player_id2=ingrabr01&idx=players

Anybody claiming Wiggy is on a trajectory to be an MVP candidate?

Wiggy's good for a 40pt game every now and again...but BI puts up a couple of 30pt games in year 3...and he's going to be better than...errybody?

FOH.
2689167, Wiggins BETTER lol
Posted by ThaTruth, Wed Feb-27-19 10:28 AM
2689336, nah but he shouldn't be expected to, it was evident his curve was steeper
Posted by ConcreteCharlie, Thu Feb-28-19 06:17 PM
we'll see, his game is coming along but he's still a long way from those guys.
2689076, he's starting to break out and I'm grinning ear to ear..
Posted by LegacyNS, Tue Feb-26-19 01:36 PM

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dlgiritpmfo

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2689080, And he just turned 21 a few months ago.
Posted by Frank Longo, Tue Feb-26-19 02:05 PM
It's pretty awesome to see.
2689093, Absolutely...and it's all been done under shifting roles + pressure
Posted by LA2Philly, Tue Feb-26-19 03:43 PM
He's obviously talented but what separates him from most young players is his mentality. He's so solely focused on the game, rarely rattled...it takes a very mentally strong player to deal with all the changing roles and limelight that he's had to deal with yet not only come out on top but take a top off the growth curve.
2689053, So why was Kuzma singled out?
Posted by Case_One, Tue Feb-26-19 11:39 AM

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“Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind.” ~ Albert Einstein

"I cannot see how nature could have created itself. Only a supernatural force that is outside of space and time could have done that. ~ Francis Collins
2689059, Kuz is more 'LeSystem Ready'
Posted by Dr Claw, Tue Feb-26-19 12:33 PM
where as the strengths of BI aren't readily apparent in the same system.

BI has struggled mightily with all of the changes to boot, trying to find his spot. It could also be the Duke thing but "Duke" in 2019 is a very different thing from my youth. Duke is basically the "Lakers" of College BBall at this point
2689070, You need to start watching BI right now instead of that false narrative
Posted by LA2Philly, Tue Feb-26-19 01:26 PM
He struggled early on but now he’s finding his groove alongside LeBron (best 10 game stretch of his career). Both Kuz and BI are in fact. Those three and Bullock are carrying the team offensively
2689149, Bullock was a quality trade
Posted by Dr Claw, Wed Feb-27-19 09:10 AM
>He struggled early on but now he’s finding his groove
>alongside LeBron (best 10 game stretch of his career). Both
>Kuz and BI are in fact. Those three and Bullock are carrying
>the team offensively
2689105, Because he's better and that makes certain people mad.
Posted by bentagain, Tue Feb-26-19 06:14 PM
2689114, Because you thought his 30 year old ass was and now you heated
Posted by Basaglia, Tue Feb-26-19 09:27 PM
2689060, a good loss for the Cavs. Tank On.
Posted by Dr Claw, Tue Feb-26-19 12:35 PM
they fought down that huge deficit against Portland, but ultimately took the L.

again, Cedi is just shining with Kevin Love actually playing.

Sucks I gotta wait another year to see this team give a proper effort because I can see this team, while not a world beater, get back on track.

Hopefully when the tank's done we'll see a DeAaron Fox-type leap from Sexton.
2689071, Mountaintop.
Posted by bentagain, Tue Feb-26-19 01:27 PM
2689096, i think Andre Drummond just hit his prime
Posted by cgonz00cc, Tue Feb-26-19 03:50 PM
https://youtu.be/CuWQfMGjZF4
2689108, I can't put myself in the mindset
Posted by Rjcc, Tue Feb-26-19 07:32 PM
of someone who needs to find late first round nba picks to be mad at.

hell, you could at least pick someone obscure, it wouldn't be so transparent.

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at
2689120, He'll leave again once ALL his agendas tank, never forget!
Posted by isaaaa, Tue Feb-26-19 10:44 PM

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2689384, This is just a distraction from the fact that he can't argue
Posted by Castro, Fri Mar-01-19 09:12 AM
that Ingram is better than Kuz anymore.


2689430, like...hating on kuz as a whole personality wtf
Posted by Rjcc, Fri Mar-01-19 02:43 PM



www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at
2689131, Just think if Doncic and Bagley are both better picks than Ayton
Posted by DeepAztheRoot, Wed Feb-27-19 03:17 AM
there's certainly a good argument to be had
2689132, Doncic for SURE. Bagley is likely.
Posted by Ryan M, Wed Feb-27-19 04:15 AM
2689150, Doncic definitely is... but we knew that
Posted by Dr Claw, Wed Feb-27-19 09:12 AM
>there's certainly a good argument to be had

Ayton to me isn't a bust. He's going to be an HQ NBA player but if the Suns don't fix their most glaring hole people it's gonna take longer for people to realize.
2689428, two big glaring holes IMO
Posted by DeepAztheRoot, Fri Mar-01-19 02:18 PM
at PG and PF
2689338, I would have taken Doncic one no question. The rest, eh, TBD
Posted by ConcreteCharlie, Thu Feb-28-19 06:21 PM
I thought Doncic was bar none the best prospect in the draft. From there I don't know if I could really call if Bagley was going to be better than Carter long term. Ayton has all the tools but let's face it few bigs have come out that young and been impact guys. Moses Malone, Dwight Howard and a very short list of others. I'm willing to give him some time. Young was another guy I liked a lot but so much has to do with how he's used at the NBA level. So far I think Atlanta is doing a surprisingly good job, all things considered
2689151, oh, I see what this is... Kuzma was born in 1995...
Posted by Dr Claw, Wed Feb-27-19 09:13 AM
2689339, He's already 70 for fuck's sakes
Posted by ConcreteCharlie, Thu Feb-28-19 06:22 PM
i mean if we are gonna exaggerate, let's exaggerate. photo shop him getting blocked by dolph schayes or some shit.
2689341, Kuz birthers (c) OkaySports
Posted by bentagain, Thu Feb-28-19 06:32 PM
2689345, It's because Tatum is, obviously, a fetus out there.
Posted by Ryan M, Thu Feb-28-19 06:55 PM
2689393, he old
Posted by Basaglia, Fri Mar-01-19 10:35 AM
2689342, Late first rounder.....Kuz is already a huge W for the Lakers
Posted by DJR, Thu Feb-28-19 06:36 PM
The investment was next to nothing, and he’s getting 20 ppg. Beyond that, I can’t see what there is to care about.
2689364, so? laker fans compare kus to EVERY young guy
Posted by Basaglia, Thu Feb-28-19 09:26 PM
but y'all coppon pleas for him? fuck outta here
2689367, That’s the thing we DON’T, only you do that because you’re MAD...
Posted by ThaTruth, Thu Feb-28-19 10:36 PM
that he was outshining BI
2689386, “Was”
Posted by Basaglia, Fri Mar-01-19 09:19 AM
2689388, so you saying BI might be FINALLY living up to the hype of his #2...
Posted by ThaTruth, Fri Mar-01-19 09:36 AM
overall draft position and "untouchable" trade status?
2689392, i'm saying kuz is 30 and came in with an NBA body. BI didn't
Posted by Basaglia, Fri Mar-01-19 10:22 AM

BI's skill level is so far above your suped up troy murphy it's not even worth entertaining no more. i'm just enjoying lebron get mad when kuz blows defensive assignments.
2689398, im crying @ Troy Murphy
Posted by cgonz00cc, Fri Mar-01-19 11:03 AM
dude was a baller at ND tho
2689412, who is Nik Stauskas playing for this week?
Posted by ThaTruth, Fri Mar-01-19 12:23 PM
2689432, i dunno but hes getting paid for it
Posted by cgonz00cc, Fri Mar-01-19 03:11 PM
2689416, ...and BI is a 6'9" featherweight...
Posted by bentagain, Fri Mar-01-19 12:31 PM
Needs to get on that Giannis workout plan

I interpreted your reply as BI was not ready for the NBA

I accept your concession.
2689433, So far I’m going with...
Posted by TheRealBillyOcean, Fri Mar-01-19 03:25 PM
1.) Don McLean
2.) Tom Gugliotta
3.) Troy Murphy

I think I missed some others.
2689550, RE: So far I’m going with...
Posted by ThaTruth, Sat Mar-02-19 09:59 PM
>1.) Don McLean
>2.) Tom Gugliotta
>3.) Troy Murphy
>
>I think I missed some others.

Are we still believing BI is better than Paul George?
2689389, You do realize they've both had their stretches, yes?
Posted by Cold Truth, Fri Mar-01-19 09:40 AM
Highs and lows.
2689526, jinx?
Posted by ThaTruth, Sat Mar-02-19 01:05 PM
2690641, maintenance
Posted by Basaglia, Thu Mar-14-19 11:15 PM
2690648, Reply 1
Posted by Ryan M, Fri Mar-15-19 12:10 AM