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it ain't the WORST comp...

The only difference is that Gugliotta was better on the glass, whereas Kuzma is fairly indifferent there for a 6'9 guy.

We'll see if Kuz makes an All-Star team too. Gugliotta did.

Looking at other ACC comparables of the era he is right there with Joe Smith and Laettner, who had bigger billing come into the L.

If Kuz can score like Gugs scored for nearly a decade, he’ll make a shitload of money in this league and play til he’s 35.

because i imagined someone lighter skinned than tom gugliotta. it would be pretty tough to guard someone who was completely transparent.

Compounded by McGee, Bron, Rondo, and Lance being absolutely horrendous. BI and Zo are the defensive heart of this team and their net rating when on the floor together reflects that.

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plus politicking with magic.

i think from a bball standpoint he thought GS was too strong anyway, and also figured the lakers would be able to get a super team around him soon anyway. we shall see.

For one, I don't think Bron will allow it. For another, outside of the top 5-6 picks, I'm not sure there's a "win now" prospect in the draft.

Only reason to tank would be to make the pick more attractive to the Pels, I reckon... but I'm still not sure Bron would be down for that. We'll see.

Nothing to add...I just think that's an incredible stat for a guy playing this long and on multiple franchises

Tanking isn't in his blood...they'd have to sit him.

good grief

The team is only one game below .500, so I would think it's too late to tank right now even if the Lakers literally lose the remainder of games left in the season.

They haven't been healthy, sure. But when healthy they are a 1st round out at best. I haven't seen anyone really take a leap yet, and the chemistry is in disarray after that embarrassing ass trade deadline. Personal feeling is I hope we miss the playoffs and get a decent pick. I'm not saying tank for Zion or anything, I'm saying - get a lotto pick and see how FA shakes out. This is another lost year, and if an AD trade doesn't happen in the offseason next year could be too.

I'm still mad about trading Zubac away.

I'm also happy to be wrong about all of this but it's bad, dude.

The emo thing might make you feel better but this team is pretty damn good when healthy...just hasn't happened all year. Literally one game with a full squad.

the lakers have almost as many wins as the knicks, suns and cavs COMBINED. they are out of that race and very much in the playoff race.

any team that happened to have LeBron and Zion starting on it at the same time, muchless that team being the Lakers. That would be a pretty wild scene. I guess a seemingly impossible scene since both would occupy the 4 spot, but a pretty wild scene nonetheless.

Clips probably fall out after the Tobias trade

But I don't see the Kings or Spurs falling out of the playoff race without catastrophic injuries

My money is on them not making it, locker room dissension, and Luke getting canned

Hope folks got their resumes updated

IMO, it will come back to the failed AD trade

the LAL seemingly put all of their eggs in that basket

and in the end, got Mike Muscala and Reggie Bullock back

With so many players moving and teams ahead of the LAL in the playoff picture improving their rosters

You really have to wonder WTF was going on behind closed doors and why they weren't able to put together package(s) for other players

i.e. they f'd up, this is the payback

we would really challenge for a title this season anyway

I'm not waiving the white flag on The Lakers totally being out of it. I think there's still an outside chance they'll get an 8th seed when the dust settles.

it's just weird the way the whole thing played out

they really are stuck in no man's land at this point

didn't get the annual Bron's reinforcements for a finals run

AND missed on AD

this season is starting to look like a nothing burger

no playoffs

no lottery pick

...shrug...

I will say this though, it is paramount that they make the playoffs this year...to set up next year

Even if it's a 1st round matchup vs GSW

this team needs that experience...in order to take the next step

success is usually an incremental exercise

you don't just go to the finals in year 1 (I'm sure Bron has in the past with the team switching...but it should be evident by now...this isn't that Bron.)

>it's just weird the way the whole thing played out
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>they really are stuck in no man's land at this point
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>didn't get the annual Bron's reinforcements for a finals run
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>AND missed on AD
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>this season is starting to look like a nothing burger
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>no playoffs
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>no lottery pick
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>...shrug...
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>I will say this though, it is paramount that they make the
>playoffs this year...to set up next year
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>Even if it's a 1st round matchup vs GSW
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>this team needs that experience...in order to take the next
>step
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>success is usually an incremental exercise
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>you don't just go to the finals in year 1 (I'm sure Bron has
>in the past with the team switching...but it should be evident
>by now...this isn't that Bron.)

Dat Cloak.

You're fooling yourself if you think the ramifications of this year don't effect next year

see anything changing

First, the lottery has changed for this year. The worst 3 teams all have an equal 14% chance. So there's that. The Lakers won't be the worst team of course, but they're only 5 games back of the 6th lottery spot, which has a 9% shot at a #1 pick so it's not like it's crazy to think they move up in the lottery after moving down in the standings.

I'm just hoping we aren't in NBA purgatory, which would be like a 1st round out or a 13th pick. Bad year all around.

I don't see anybody coming out that will help us contend within the next few seasons while Bron is here

i wouldnt even say he's going at 40% effort rn. chauffeuring trae young to the basket like a police escort rather than a defender

and will likely offer *more* for anthony davis in july than they did last week.

Offering more, that is.

Zubac is gone. They might have a lottery pick this year. So...I doubt it.

more picks.

more lenient protections on those picks.

pick swap options in the off years.

more cap relief for NO.

my point was that it won't be *less* like some seem to believe.

if (when) they miss the postseason the desperation only increases. they won't be in any position to bluff or play chicken and everyone in the league knows that. they can't afford to waste another bron year waiting for 2020.

personally I'm against giving up the farm for somebody so injury-prone anyway

it's the lakers tho. you know they always gotta chase the "glamour" guy. they're about names.

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I don't think so

I love AD but you don't trade the entire team for him unless you already have a second max star who's signed on. Even then, I don't offer Lonzo in any deal. We're seeing just how important he is to the team in his absence.

i figured they'd back into one of those bottom berths, only because bron, but i certainly didn't think it was foregone.

this ain't the east.

gotta stall eem out some, for that. I think they were like 4th before he went down.

west its a crapshoot

and teams like houston and utah were still finding their footing.

i never saw that lasting the whole year, even with a healthy bron. had them pegged in the 6-7-8 range.

i also disagree w your tiers. first of all, golden state isn't in any top 3 lol. they're a top 1. after that there's still a tier of 3-5 teams that are objectively better than the lakers. so no.

You can’t have it both ways. It was the best start, by far, to a LeBron team in year 1.

even when they were in 4th i personally didn't think they would finish the season there.

i always thought houston and utah would eventually pass them, even without injuries, and that they'd finish 6th at best

(which is where I had them before the season: http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=8&topic_id=2675715&mesg_id=2675715&listing_type=search#2675716)

i also think that at this point in his career going forward it's probably fair to factor bron missing games into any prediction of his team's win totals. it's going to happen, and it's not an excuse. i pretty sure that he won't try to use it as one. even with him missing games they should still be good enough to beat out the damn kings lol.

Regardless of seeding, the team had some really good indicators especially with their defensive rating steadily improving and playing well while adjusting to LeBron & numerous new players. Even with the Bron injury, the team was just starting to play some great ball when Lonzo went down.

There's injuries and there's injuries to players who drive the engine. It's been a really shitty year in that regard but obviously you can't change that. They have nine days to cut the bullshit, refocus, and come together as a team for these final 25 games to make up a 3 loss deficit in the standings.

As for Bron, I disagree that he's going to miss games due to overt injuries. I know the cliche is "he's getting old" but slipping and torqueing your adductor muscles like he did is going to lead to a tear regardless of age. There's still numerous plays where he gets hit or lands awkwardly that for most players would result in an injury but he's able to mitigate that through his preventative work.

in a blowout on Christmas Day. Team was clicking. They've had ridiculous injuries -- all of the top guys been out with injuries this year (Bron, BI, Kuz, Zo, Rondo etc..) - but when Bron went down for 18 games - the team went 6-12 and the wheels fell off.

So - this team was ahead of schedule when healthy. Also - it's real bold & rich to predict that they won't make the playoffs after last night lol.

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I don't know why people keep saying that as if that was necessarily sustainable. The Spurs and Jazz were out of the playoff picture. Portland and Houston were 6th and 7th respectively. The idea that the Lakers were going to remain in the 4th seed is laughable.

Like I said, the Pacers were the 3 seed in the East at the same time. I tell ya if Oladipo doesn't get hurt no way Boston and Philly catch them..

Uhm... ok.. lol

Also, Bron wasn't the only person injured... Rondo was out almost all of that time as well so they didn't have any veteran, experienced point guard, playmaker.



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In this case, the team had the best record (by far) for a first year LeBron team and they were getting better and better defensively, as indicated by their defensive rating. All the indicators pointed to the team getting better, not worse...and then like you said, Rondo wasn't even playing so that's another positive indicator to add to that.

I know you're on your anti-LeBron stance but when you look at the full context of where the team was, missing the backup pg for most of the season, and how LeBron team's perform as the season progresses, it's pretty clear where the team was going.

Sure we were in the 4 spot before the injuries hit but we were also 2 games from a 8 spot. I'm not convinced were there to stay at the 4 spot but I would agree we'd be in the playoffs.


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And surprise surprise. They’re not. Especially in relation to the rest of the Western Conference.

If you had said: "This roster with Bron, Rondo, Zo all missing 15+ games, BI and JaVale missing 10+ games won't make the playoffs", then you'd be on target.

Like I said before, if you have some next level injury risk software and I missed those predictions, send it my way.

Not me.

And their play is proving as much.

And were in the process of drubbing the W’s. Oh you know, when the roster playing was nearly the full roster. You must have known something about the team’s injury risk to be chirping like you are now.

Yeah, they still weren't good then.

Teams deal with injuries. Shit happens.

The Lakers are healthy now. But they're garbage now.

What the problem is?

Team has only been healthy for one game the entire season and that was when we drubbed the Kings in December. You were wrong about the roster and that’s fine.

we can only rate teams that have had 100% of their roster healthy for 82 Games.

Or is this only with the Lakers?

Hey Denver Nuggets.... is everybody on the squad healthy?
Hey Minnesota Timberwolves.... is everybody on the squad healthy?
Hey Philadelphia 76ers.... is everybody on the squad healthy?

I know it's hard for you to admit they're not good. But the Lakers aren't good. I told you they wouldn't be at the beginning of the season. But hey they got 29 games to make the playoffs right?

So they should go and ball out right?

The Lakers should have no issue going 18-13 in the last 31 games LeBron is back. Seeing that they're 2-4 since his return 16-9 down the stretch keeps us right on that pace which would put us @ 44-38 and in the playoffs..


IMO I see at least 10 more Ls on the schedule all things being equal (no injuries, teams are playing for playoff position etc) but let's see what happens..




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Hopefully Lonzo can get back in that time because it's pretty clear who is the head of the snake defensively. You don't drop from top 5 to worst defensive rating when a player gets hurt, just by coincidence.

You've been doing the intentionally obtuse, pandering thing considerably longer

in the West - had just routed the Warriors at home (12/25) - and were healthy and clicking?

just checking.

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Bad roster, bad chemistry, bad coach.

The Lakers were a very good team before all the injuries.

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And probably still now


All his doing too

I could never thwart the reflex
of being a prisoner of the moment.

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but yeah... BAD look for the Lakers and LeBron

that team CAN'T be this bad.

Collins has really come on this year

It would have been easy to just let him gun like crazy but they aren't from the little I have seen. Yeah missed shots and turnovers abound but at a pretty normal level for a rookie point guard playing big minutes. To me he is never gonna be Steph, he is a better facilitator than he is a scorer at the pro level. Really good at getting in the lane and probing the defense, driving and kicking, shit like that. He can draw guys to him. He is a little bit Steve Nash-y in that regard, so it's cool that Pearce is the guy overseeing his development for now.

Collins is nice. I like his game a lot and it seems to get better every month. He is a nice big for the modern game. Rim runner, a little range, etc. He isn't a guy who needs the ball to succeed, he gives you energy and in constructive ways where guys can find him for baskets. It'd be easy to see a double-double guy on a shitty team and figure it's a function of usage but with him it's not. He is efficient and gets almost all his buckets off assists.

The Lakers lost a close game on the road against a scrappy young Hawks team.

Nothing surprising about that.


*skatin' the rings of saturn*


..and miles to go before i sleep...

Guys need to take a step-back, look in the mirror, and refocus for the stretch run. There’s clearly a disconnect right now, need to get some air, address it and move forward.

As for Lonzo, the team has been dead last in def rating since he got hurt. He’s the head of the snake defensively and with his energy/pace. He’s back to modified running (underwater for now) so let’s see where he’s at in 9 days.

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And LeBron not playing defense is going to naturally have a trickle down effect.

I'd imagine he turns it up in the second half and the Lakers squeeze into the playoffs. But at the moment dude does not care about defense and it's hurting the team.

they are looking ahead to the break, finishing a road trip and playing a weak ass team. definition of a trap game on the schedule.

the hawks played pretty shitty, too, well in the fourth quarter at least. it wasn't like atlanta got up to play lebron or shot out of their minds or something. they were doing their best to lose in the final ten minutes but the lakers managed to "hold my beer" their cold-booty-from-the-butt-crack play.

this team is in serious trouble. they can't stop a dime rolling dow the sidewalk right now. offensively they only have two guys playing consistently, maybe three. lebron can't just flip the switch like in the past, at least he had some defensive support before. they can't protect the rim for shit and they just traded one of their passable bigs for one of the softest fours in the league.

You hold a team to 17 points, including a three minute scoreless stretch, and only score 18 yourself with only two during that aforementioned stretch.

People are going to get on LeBron for that fourth but he was clearly dead tired (44 minutes on the last game of a road trip, coming off a serious injury...cmon) and he still got the team so many dang good looks. My serious issue down the stretch was having Rondo on the floor rather than Bullock. We're switching everything and desperately need shooting yet our best shooter and very switchable player isn't in the game.

As for the team, we needed this break so badly. The team defense has been dead last since Lonzo got hurt and then compounded by all the trade rumors, increased minutes for Rondo, and the reality that Bron still is in about 3rd gear right now while re-acclimating. They gotta get away, let all the nonsense go, and refocus for the final 25.

he was facilitating all night. He knows what he has or doesn't have and he was getting guys great looks from the jump. I didn't see the numbers (was flipping around to four games) but he might have had double digit assists in the first half, maybe more.

both teams were turning the ball over in weird ways, a lot of pick-up game type plays being attempted. it was just bad basketball.

the break might not be long enough, especially with lebron having to do all the all-star game shit. this is a test of mettle for the leadership more than anything, i think. they have a tough situation on their hands here and not much time to wallow in it. they could easily fall out of the playoff picture if this lingers through the rest of the month even.

I can count 6 layups off the top of my head...and he still had 15 assists. Yeh, he was lackadaisical defensively but we already touched on that.

I agree with you on the leadership. There's no more time left to wallow or sulk. We essentially have to win 2 out 3 the rest of the way. The team has shown the capacity when focused but all the rumors & discontinuity have thrown a wrench into everything...we're gonna see what these guys are really made of now. Outside of Bron and BI, it hasn't been too impressive since Zo went down

excuse? that was funny

lebron i think is still limited physically. how about that oop in the philly game? i turned around and said "ingraham musta throw that pass for zion williamson."

they can't rely on bron to do everything and if he does all he did in cleveland last year this team won't grow. those were veterans; they knew what they could and couldn't do. this team is still very much testing its capabilities. i don't think bron is physically able to do what he did last season at this point (and probably wasn't before the injury), and it wouldn't be good for the team long-term for him to chew himself up like that while relegating these other guys to a spectator's role.

The net defensive rating with him on the floor is about +15 better than without him (+80!!! during the Sixers game).

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mad other franchises got shitty around the same time (LAL, Sac, etc) and didn't have to lose on purpose to lose just as much. Where are they all today? Still wayward AF.

https://twitter.com/Ralph_MasonJr/status/1096135443022675968

Brad Turner (the LA times reporter who talked about this) literally said it was a “small thing” and emphasized that although the FO love Zu, they dealt him now bc they won’t be able to re-sign him.

how sway?

Dat Cloak...cleared cap space for 2 max slots in FA...but can't resign a promising C coming off a rookie contract...

BULLSHIT.

+ as a 6ers fan, Zubac for the rest of this season >>> Mike Muscala

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"If the Lakers would have kept D'Angelo Russell and picked Jayson Tatum instead of Lonzo Ball the deal would already be done Laker fans."

"It's not our fault your management is terrible."

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Suckas ain’t preparing and comfortable with losing Bron says.

But that's what it is sometimes and should not be in this position to begin with.

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Get those numbers up.

https://twitter.com/goknickstape/status/1100233469689499649?s=19

"LeBron rarely exerts himself beyond a casual jog in transition defense and disregards spot-up shooters in most half-court situations, leaving them wide open," Pete Zayas of Laker Film Room said. "His defensive game these days resembles a disinterested center rather than the high-end wing defender that he once was."

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2822273-he-killed-the-chemistry-lebron-james-isnt-blameless-during-lakers-struggles

Lakers were 10 on D before LeBron's injury
Lakers were 7 on D while LeBron was out
Lakers are 25 on D since LeBron returned from injury

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lol

...make the play-offs.

Walton is gone no matter what, But shit is going to hit the fan in the front office if they don't make it.

the AD debacle.

the zubac trade.

taking lonzo over tatum and fox.

trading russell (all-star)

letting randle walk (he's pretty good)

letting lopez walk (perfect bronball center, you gotta believe he would be helping)

signing rondo/lance/beas instead of shooters.

aside from the typical stephen a MAGIC JOHNSON IS A BASKETBWALL GENIUS simpleton bullshit, remind me again why we're so convinced that he and rob are good, or qualified for this job?

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Which include the DLo (who imo needed a change of scenery), Randle, and Zu deals.

But as LA2P said, the salary dumps are TBD. I can appreciate getting rid of Mozgov - and DLo absolutely needed that change to get better. People love to say they’d have liked to see a DLo/Ball backcourt but they tend to forget DLo was liking all kinds of anti-Zo posts so there was lots of immaturity there.

The AD debacle was exactly that. A damn mess.

Zubac...I dunno man. Dumb trade. Just don’t re-sign the dude. Wtf with a damn Mike Muscala.

It seems Bron was always coming so I don’t give them credit for that.

Anyway all in all - I don’t trust this FO and I’ve given them some time to get out from under the last regime. The coaching is terrible too. It’s all bad.

we weren’t likely getting past the first round even if we made the playoffs, fuck moral victories.

LeGM fucked allll that up

enjoy this season.

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Injuries are a big underlying reason but there are huge flaws in roster construction (which Pelinka tried to address at the deadline, too little too late) and coaching department. The vets they picked in the off-season have been absolutely brutal while the young guys + Bullock are actually picking up their game when it matters most.

If it wasn’t clear before than missing the playoffs should make it crystal: you have to cut loose all the dead weight, add players and coaches who fit, and build a damn team rather than all the 1 year mercenary deals.

Injuries didn’t help the situation and the team would have likely been a top 4 seed of healthy but the roster construction (overall) was poor. The injuries exposed that and now we’re seeing just how shitty these vets are.

Yeah injuries don’t help. They still can make it though.

That way, the FO has no excuses for their shitty strategy of ill-fitting vets who can’t shoot. It’s clear who is dead weight and nothing makes it crystal like completely missing expectations.

They aren’t making the playoffs. Get a lottery pick, hope it jumps into the top 3 and see what shakes out. Another cost controlled asset is great.

I honestly think BI and Bron might be the last ones standing come August.

https://twitter.com/BenGolliver/status/1100245282078416896

https://youtu.be/dEfTtOQbCLo

Bill Oram asked LeBron if the notion of a playoff push was a distraction and LeBron answered it, rejecting that notion. Oram made it a point on twitter to reiterate his question and Bron's answer was rejecting that notion, not referring to any teammates.

There's nothing more disingenuous or foul than media members who try to get clicks by selectively cutting shit. Shit is pathetic.

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/lakers-fan-criticizes-lebron-james-for-missing-warriors-game-after-late-night-with-2-chainz/

"Grown man out until 11:30 on a work night" shit.

pretty much proves the LA core trade bait was a bag of nothing, no?

so why did Demps get fired, again?

and be more competitive next time

This same Laker team also beat the Warriors, Rockets & Celtics. What does that mean?

without fully fleshed out ideas.

>This same Laker team also beat the Warriors, Rockets &
>Celtics. What does that mean?

So what's left without lebron, i.e. the cast that wound up as trade bait, is basically vaporware as was mentioned

So why did demps get fired again?

Because it's not BI or Kuz.

I seriously doubt you've actually watched these games.

Pels got a better offer on the table?

What is it?

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Time to change the entire coaching staff, get rid of everyone except Bron, BI, Kuz, Hart, Zo, and Bullock.

wrong post.

And randles has a phenomenal season but what are we saying? That lakers should’ve passed on Lebron and kept Julius? I mean that’s the reason he is t a laker right now

Not sure that was preventing them from getting Lebron James.

But the bigger point is, the Lakers tried to shackle Julius and make him one thing (a rebounder, hustler, spark off the bench, don't dribble the ball or shoot, Kenneth Faried type).

He thought he was a young up and coming dynamic star who could make plays.

He's that.

He bet on himself.

He won.

These other motherfuckers they kept or signed are PUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUURE Horseshit.

they wanted him to be Draymond. They wanted him to make plays. HE got tunnel vision sometimes. Even though he had court vision and passing/ball handling skills.

And I like Randle. A lot. But let’s not do revisionist history:

And the entire coaching staff got mad and sat him when didn't do that.

They put him on the back burner for a bunch of garbage monsters.

i gotta say randle is better than i expected (though he'd be a solid starter that's about it) and no it wasn't an either/or. at his salary he makes as much as rajon rondo, not lebron. no disrespect to rondo, but having him on a one-year deal is not as good as having randle on a two-year deal and the chance to go forward with him.

now, the argument is that rondo's deal becomes cap space this summer and randle would still be on the books. but i don't buy that argument because randle would be a great value for the money in that second year and thus both an asset to the lakers themselves or in a trade. i also think the UFA market for the lakers has gotten crowded. you know some of these guys will re-sign, so the 8-10 good UFAs out there will be half that number. is lebron's magnet that strong still? the miles are showing this year and there are a lot of team-up possibilities both among the UFAs (and also Davis) or with some other stars that are already in place. to me there is no guarantee that the lakers land one top guy, let alone two.

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https://twitter.com/stevekylerNBA/status/1104452220316205059

Anti-gentrification, cheap alcohol & trying to look pretty in our twilight posting years (c) Big Reg
http://Tupreme.com

Would like to see what LA2P says about it.

Nightmare season...but hopefully Ingram’s career isn’t affected. If this is Boah territory, life is obviously so much bigger than basketball.

*skatin' the rings of saturn*


..and miles to go before i sleep...

When a blood clot in the upper extremities happens in the younger athletic population, it’s commonly in males involved in repetitive arm motion sports. He’ll likely be put on blood thinners and see if it resolves itself.

This is different than Bosh. He had persistent blood clots in his legs (much higher risk of breaking off and traveling to the lungs and heart) that wouldn’t resolve at all. That speaks to a systemic problem which requires lifelong meds.

Hoping for a great recovery for BI.

a la tommie frazier or kimmo timonen. promising young player here

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I don't know whose more upset after Sunday's game: Lakers fans, LeBron James fans, or Knicks fans.

Pretty tough call to make.

The Knicks still have the worst record despite yesterday's win, so I shouldn't be stressing so much over it.

Thanks for that fresh perspective.

He wouldn't have this problem if he went to Philly. He could rest games and shoulder far less of a workload.

Instead he goes to LA knowing he's declining. Wtf was he thinking?

Lakers fans closely following, but this makes sense. a season sweep by one of the worst teams in the NBA is not good, even with all the injuries.

when you sign LeBron you're not thinking about tanking.

but dogg.... look at Shannon Sharpe's twitter around the time of the block

https://twitter.com/ShowtimeForum/status/1108415710567395328/video/1

One of the more questionable transactions at the NBA trade deadline was the Los Angeles Lakers' decision to send Ivica Zubac and Michael Beasley to the Los Angeles Clippers for Mike Muscala, giving the Lakers a bit more shooting at the 4 and clearing a roster spot for the buyout market.

The Lakers didn't add another veteran player via a buyout, however, and according to Dave McMenamin of ESPN.com, Clippers consultant Jerry West—a legend as a player and long one of the game's most savvy front-office minds—had a laugh at the Lakers' expense after acquiring the young and intriguing Zubac:

"Shortly after the trade deadline, Clippers consultant Jerry West—who spent more than 40 years with the Lakers as a player, coach and executive—got together for dinner with old friends who also had former Laker ties, sources said. He couldn't believe how Zubac fell into his lap. The Clippers, sources said, never even called the Lakers to inquire about Zubac. The Lakers made the offer and the Clippers gladly accepted.

"Sources said those at the dinner table shared a hearty laugh at the Lakers' expense."

Zubac, 22, didn't see much playing time for the Lakers in his first two seasons and for large chunks of the 2018-19 campaign. But he was finally given a bigger role for the team in January and responded, averaging 11.2 points and 6.0 rebounds 18 minutes across 17 contests.

And with the Clippers he's started all 20 games he's played in, averaging 9.0 points and 7.8 rebounds in 19.8 minutes per game. In those games, the Clippers are 15-5. In that same time, the Lakers have gone 5-15.

At one point, the Lakers and Clippers were jockeying for position at the bottom of the Western Conference playoff picture. But if the playoffs started today, the Clippers would be the No. 6 seed and the Lakers would be watching them from home.

Granted, Zubac alone hasn't been responsible for the Clippers' surge or the Lakers' demise. The Lakers, in particular, have been beset by injury, inexperience, the constant trade rumors during the Anthony Davis saga and poor roster construction around LeBron James.

And the Clippers were already a well-coached, solid team that played well together before players like Zubac and Landry Shamet—who came over from Philadelphia in the Tobias Harris trade and has averaged 11.3 points for the team while shooting an impressive 46.6 percent from three—joined the roster.

But the fact that the Clippers have found a role for a player in Zubac that the Lakers essentially gave away is telling of the state of the two programs. Both are expected to be major players in free agency, and while the Lakers can offer the prestige of being one of the NBA's most successful franchises and the chance to play alongside James, the Clippers, quite frankly, are the better-run organization at the moment.

In the battle for Los Angeles, a destination city for NBA free agents, that very well could be the deciding factor this summer.

Are you referencing the Knicks trading away Porzingis?

I mean, yes, ZuPAC was a role player, but he was definitely finding his role on the team when they were a couple of games out, and Muscala absolutely does not help the Lakers at all.