https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2019/01/16/dukes-zion-williamson-should-shut-it-down-until-nba-draft-says-scottie-pippen/?utm_term=.7c0c326c1583

https://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/basketball/bulls/ct-spt-bulls-scottie-pippen-zion-williamson-duke-20190116-story.html

https://youtu.be/GLmiYXEyKHI?t=279

Last thing he should do is try to win the one championship he likely has a shot at before being sent to the gulags in Cleveland or Phoenix.

Lehigh...never forget.

I know we have a couple knee guys on here.

Like, this dude is putting a lot of weight on those knees. Especially with the high-flying acrobatics and such. I know nothing, but it seems like his weight + athleticism isn't the best combination long term re: knees.

If he played for pretty much anyone else though....hell no!

but that's not what he's there to do.

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

But the kid wants to compete and play with his friends.

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he be aight.

He tried to jog off his injury and go back into the game today. Kid wants to compete with his friends before his pro career starts this summer, so if he's healthy, he'll play.

>He tried to jog off his injury and go back into the game
>today. Kid wants to compete with his friends before his pro
>career starts this summer, so if he's healthy, he'll play.

He doesn’t give a fuck about playing with some dudes he just met a few months ago when 9 figure contracts are on the line lol

Zion's known Barrett, Reddish, and Jones for years. He's been friends with Barrett and Reddish since before Duke. He's said repeatedly in interviews that he would never sit out because he's loving competing with his friends.

>Zion's known Barrett, Reddish, and Jones for years. He's been
>friends with Barrett and Reddish since before Duke. He's said
>repeatedly in interviews that he would never sit out because
>he's loving competing with his friends.

*skatin' the rings of saturn*


..and miles to go before i sleep...

After he got hurt at Duke. Why should Zion?

LeBron's fam had like a 10 mil insurance policy on him his senior year. They got it because Bron got bridged by some kid on a fast break during a game and broke his wrist his Junior year.

Kyrie got hurt early in the year but came back at the end of the season.

Zion's family should just get the insurance and let him rock. Hopefully he's good to go for Cuse on Saturday.


The more important thing here is we kicked that ass. Convincingly. Even without Zion they are pretty damn good and we embarrassed their asses at home. Heels bitch!

had the level of hype that Zion does right now.


Pros were not showing up to see Kyrie play.

Kyrie was consensus #1 before Dukes season even started and was still that when he came back.

LeBron has 2 yrs of hype and was still consensus #1 even after Carmelo let Syracuse to a national title.

Zion wasn't even #1 coming into the season. It was Barrett.

>Kyrie was consensus #1 before Dukes season even started and
>was still that when he came back.
>
>LeBron has 2 yrs of hype and was still consensus #1 even after
>Carmelo let Syracuse to a national title.


I could be wrong but I feel like there was still debate at that point. Still hype for Kyrie was nowhere near what it is for Zion. I know Lebron was getting serious NBA hype from his sophomore year on but I don't think he became the consensus #1 pick until later.

>I could be wrong but I feel like there was still debate at
>that point. Still hype for Kyrie was nowhere near what it is
>for Zion. I know Lebron was getting serious NBA hype from his
>sophomore year on but I don't think he became the consensus #1
>pick until later.

Kyrie was actually #2 coming into the season (like Zion) but played his way to #1 even after missing 26 games:

http://www.goduke.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=4200&ATCLID=205007411

-Ranked tied for second by the Recruiting Services Consensus Index
-Rated in the top five overall by Scout.com (No. 2), ESPNU 100 (No. 3) and Rivals.com (No. 4)

But that draft:
#1) Kyrie
#2) Derrick Williams (played his way here by destroying Duke in the tourney)
#3) Enes Kanter (Never played a game in college)
#4) Tristan Thompson

Easy to go #1 with that lot and he had it locked even before he came back from injury.

LeBron on the other had had waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more Hype than Zion. Dude had a SI cover his junior season:

https://www.si.com/nba/photos/2011/09/07lebron-james-in-high-school#16

http://www.espn.com/gen/news/2002/0608/1392628.html

AKRON, Ohio -- LeBron James, considered the nation's top high school basketball player, broke his left wrist during an AAU game Saturday in Chicago and won't be able to play for 6-to-8 weeks.

James, Ohio's Mr. Basketball the past two years who has already been on the cover of Sports Illustrated, was attempting a dunk with 11:19 left in a game when he was bumped by C.J. Walleck, a player for Chicago Rising Stars.

James, who will be a senior this fall at Akron's St. Vincent-St. Mary High School, landed hard on his wrist. He lay on the floor for several minutes before being taken by ambulance to Northwestern Memorial Hospital.

Eddie Jackson, a friend of the James family, confirmed that James broke his wrist and that he had been told he would be sidelined for up to two months.

"He's OK," Jackson said. "When he comes back, we'll see everything and go over everything."

Stop it

when Lebron vs. Carmelo was an actual debate.

I doubt it and I stanned for Melo from the jump - the only year I ever cared about college basketball was the year he played. The only reason people entertained idiots like me was because his Denver team had a top ten offense and winning record the minute he stepped on the floor, but the leap Bron made in year three wrapped that argument up pretty quickly and was exactly what you should've expected if you had the #1 pick in '03.


Drafting Darko over Melo was stupid as shit but they don't have a word for how stupid it would've been to draft Melo over LeBron.


~~~~~~~~~
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and yes he was on the cover of SI then but at that point he wasn't the consensus #1 pick.

And yes even into their first couple of years in the NBA Lebron vs. Carmelo was still a thing

That's why I pointed at Year 3 of LeBron. I kept fighting all the way through that WCF against the Lakers for Melo, but even I knew I was bluffing most of those years.


~~~~~~~~~
"This is the streets, and I am the trap." � Jay Bilas
http://www.popmatters.com/pm/archive/contributor/517
Hip Hop Handbook: http://tinyurl.com/ll4kzz

>I know Lebron was getting serious NBA hype from his
>sophomore year on but I don't think he became the consensus #1
>pick until later.

people that don't even watch the NBA (me) knew he would be the #1 overall pick

he was on the cover of Sports Illustrated (back when this was a big deal) as a high school JUNIOR

he had one of his high school game broadcast nationally on ESPN in primetime, which was unheard of

and irving was also a pretty consensus #1, very little debate there though perhaps more than Melo vs LeBron. Let's remind everyone that Melo didn't even go second.

and I’ve NEVER seen a dude’s shoe just come apart like that in an actual game.

>and I’ve NEVER seen a dude’s shoe just come apart like
>that in an actual game.

the heads at Nike are rolling this morning?

Everybody from the school shoe rep, to the execs, to the factory workers that made the shoes, to the truck driver that delivered the shoes, everybody is being called on the carpet this morning.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qNeNzaD5YE

Blake's joints ripped a hole thru his

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBM0bN5jW-g

Both were Nike. Kinda crazy to consider when D.Rose went thru his
knee problems Adidas caught hell. Wonder how this plays out with Nike.

Personally I think Zion should be in these

https://www.flightclub.com/kobe-9-elite-dark-base-grey-black-mdnight-fg-042102

My guy needs some agile combat boots

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qNeNzaD5YE
>
>Blake's joints ripped a hole thru his
>
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBM0bN5jW-g
>
>Both were Nike. Kinda crazy to consider when D.Rose went thru
>his
>knee problems Adidas caught hell. Wonder how this plays out
>with Nike.
>
>Personally I think Zion should be in these
>
>https://www.flightclub.com/kobe-9-elite-dark-base-grey-black-mdnight-fg-042102
>
>My guy needs some agile combat boots
>
>

and they'll still end up signing Zion most likely. put him in some lebron style battletanks and he'll be aight.

for not making or convincing Zion to play in something more sturdy like a LeBron. Those PG’s with the soft, flexible material uppers aren’t made for guys like Zion.

i always figured those dudes were glorified laundry men and fetchers more than anything. at least that's what my buddy that did it for NC State football made it sound like.

for different NBA and college teams and I recall some of them talking like they’ve got some pull. That might’ve been the NBA guys moreso.

In looking around, I found one on Duke though....

http://youtu.be/RCoP0VfZJ5k

this ain't like PJ Tucker having an amazing collection that he balls in. I thought he had to wear whatever shoe the school had a deal for.

the different shoes they had. Being a Nike school, they had LeBrons, KDs, Kyries, PGs, Kobe’s, Hyperdunks, etc.

I would assume he’d be able to get any of their recent models.

in that case...he shoulda been in some Lebron 15's...with the same outrigger as Bron's pairs. Joints are damn near perfect.

If that includes having fun being a college kid for a year and playing with his friends before becoming a professional who is scrutinized 24/7, sure.

There have been better players before him that played college and there will be better players after him that will play in college.

I’m sure he’s insured.

>If that includes having fun being a college kid for a year
>and playing with his friends before becoming a professional
>who is scrutinized 24/7, sure.

he's played like 20 games with these dudes y'all act like he's been there 4 years.

And at this point he IS scrutinized 24/7 anyway, Zion is on ESPN more than Lebron.

And hundreds of pro games.

He chose to go to Duke for a reason. He wanted to go to Duke. His scrutiny is college star fame. It ain’t KD snapping at a nigga for asking him about his Instagram comments game.

>And hundreds of pro games.
>
>He chose to go to Duke for a reason.

yes because the current rules states that you have to be 1 year removed from high school and he didn't want to go overseas.

If he could've went straight to the NBA he would have and skipped playing with his "friends".

Lebron didn't go to Akron for a year to play with Dru Joyce.

He said he wanted to go to college though.

you guys are talking about that he wants to "play with his 'friends'" is just that bs lol.

At this point putting a few hundred million on the line for a handful of tournament games is silly. The NCAA and college fanboys like you and Frank Longo care why more about this college shit than these kids do. For them it is a means to an end.

He talks about college in a way a lot of OADs don't.

"I always knew I wanted to go to college. Even if they'd have the NBA rule still, I still woulda came to college. Once you go to the league, it's grown men now, with kids and families. It's not just teenagers having fun, it's business then."

Source: https://www.ncaa.com/video/basketball-men/2019-02-20/mbk-katz-convo-rj-barrett-zion-williamson

Duke uniform again.

You wouldn’t be you if you didn’t.

... that he's worded it carefully enough to not actually take a stance on anything. "I wouldn't be surprised if"-- okay, so he'll claim a "victory" if that happens, but if it doesn't, then it's "well, I didn't really know!" Way to take a stand!

They also announced it's a Grade 1 sprain and he's only day-to-day. But at least he got to up this terrific post! lol

>... that he's worded it carefully enough to not actually take
>a stance on anything. "I wouldn't be surprised if"-- okay, so
>he'll claim a "victory" if that happens, but if it doesn't,
>then it's "well, I didn't really know!" Way to take a stand!
>
>They also announced it's a Grade 1 sprain and he's only
>day-to-day. But at least he got to up this terrific post! lol

I have no idea what the kid will do, I'm not a doctor, I haven't examined him and I'm not one of his advisers.

I'm just stating my opinion but the fact that actual professional players tend to agree with me makes me comfortable with my position.

>I have no idea what the kid will do, I'm not a doctor, I
>haven't examined him and I'm not one of his advisers.
>
>I'm just stating my opinion but the fact that actual
>professional players tend to agree with me makes me
>comfortable with my position.

over random quotes from a teenager that's been coached to say all the right things.

The bottom line is Zion HAD TO GO TO COLLEGE for 1 year regardless of what he "wanted" to do. If he could've went straight to the league he would have. Lebron talked about wanting to play for OSU but he didn't though because it would've been stupid.

Zion would rather be playing against his "friends" in the NBA with a multi-million dollar contract.

your debating?

That is worthless, but you rather us consider the fictional dialogue created by a forty-something year old man who knows nothing about Zion Williamson?

Gotcha.

>That is worthless, but you rather us consider the fictional
>dialogue created by a forty-something year old man who knows
>nothing about Zion Williamson?

Him: "Here's what Zion would do."
Zion: "Here's what I would do."

WHO TO BELIEVE?????

Truth be all "did he tell you that"

And then

"Of course what else is he gonna say"

"making millions but because of a stupid racist rule I have live in a shitty college dorm in Durham, NC for a few months and play for free while everybody else makes millions off me."

But hey, put on your flat top wig & Duke jersey and perform your One Man show “I Am Zion”.

that return to school to "play with their friends"?

btw I feel like your statement actually made my point lol

I keep forgetting who I'm talking to. My bad.

to agree.

But trust and believe the silent majority here that hates to publicly agree with me feels the same as do most professional basketball players.

links are posted throughout this post plus if you’ve watched any NBA show on tv in the last 36 hours they’re basically saying the same things I’m saying in this post.

I know the college guys are here because they want to keep they’re fairytale world going and you’re just here being your normal troll self but facts are facts.

I have ZERO incentive in Zion playing another game.

You can open up the draft to HS players. I don’t care. I can’t speak for Russ, but he probably doesn’t care either.

Russ is gonna watch 200 something games with or without OAD. And be up late watching some mid-major conference games on a Tuesday.

I’m watching UK no matter who’s on the team. All 5-stars. All 4-stars. It don’t matter. We getting kids.

Me and Russ are saying, Zion should do what he wants to do.

And you want him to do, what you think is right.

Your entire argument is rather silly.

>You can open up the draft to HS players. I don’t care. I
>can’t speak for Russ, but he probably doesn’t care
>either.

I don't care if players go straight to pro. In fact, I want that rule gone sooner rather than later.

>Russ is gonna watch 200 something games with or without OAD.
>And be up late watching some mid-major conference games on a
>Tuesday.

HEY IT'S USUALLY DUKE ON TUESDAY. But yes, lmao.

>I’m watching UK no matter who’s on the team. All 5-stars.
>All 4-stars. It don’t matter. We getting kids.

Right, it's not like losing one-and-done means that talent won't come to college. It may not be as college-ready, but anyone who thinks it'd hurt the blue bloods in the *slightest* is insane.

>Me and Russ are saying, Zion should do what he wants to do.

As everyone should. The idea that a casual viewer or pundit knows what's best for Zion better than Zion knows what's best for Zion is more than a little patronizing. The kid ain't a dummy by a longshot. He knows the risks.

>Right, it's not like losing one-and-done means that talent
>won't come to college. It may not be as college-ready, but
>anyone who thinks it'd hurt the blue bloods in the *slightest*
>is insane.

isn't the reason they instituted the 1 year removed fom hs because the NCAA and college coaches were crying about talent going straight to the pros?

>>Me and Russ are saying, Zion should do what he wants to do.
>
>As everyone should. The idea that a casual viewer or pundit
>knows what's best for Zion better than Zion knows what's best
>for Zion is more than a little patronizing. The kid ain't a
>dummy by a longshot. He knows the risks.

Only I've NEVER said I know what's best for him. I just said you guys were overplaying the "he wants to play with his friends" angle which you were.

Whatever Zion does his between him, his doctors, his parents, his coach, and his other advisers. I could care less I just offered an opinion and you guys got all up in arms like you normally do.

>isn't the reason they instituted the 1 year removed fom hs
>because the NCAA and college coaches were crying about talent
>going straight to the pros?

This, literally, isn't the reason. The NCAA had nothing to do with it. It's an NBA rule.

>Only I've NEVER said I know what's best for him. I just said
>you guys were overplaying the "he wants to play with his
>friends" angle which you were.

The video interview in which Zion states plainly his desire to play college ball in order to do exactly that has already been posted in this thread, and it's not the only time he's said that. You're wrong.

> I just
>offered an opinion and you guys got all up in arms like you
>normally do.

Neither RBO nor I are saying Zion *shouldn't* sit out. We're saying he should do what he wants. And you continue to dispute that stance for reasons unknown. The only logical conclusion is that you think Zion's own words aren't a reflection of how Zion feels. Which is, quite obviously, strange.

I know I shouldn't keep replying, because this is like trying to win a tennis match against a brick wall. Just wanted to point out once more that you've said a myriad of wrong things in this post.

>This, literally, isn't the reason. The NCAA had nothing to do
>with it. It's an NBA rule.

No shit sherlock but you can act like college hoops doesn't have a vested interest all you want but we know that's not the case. College basketball is a billion dollar business you know that better than anyone. We know that just from the aftermarket ticket prices of Wednesday night's game.

>The video interview in which Zion states plainly his desire to
>play college ball in order to do exactly that has already been
>posted in this thread, and it's not the only time he's said
>that. You're wrong.

Teenagers say shit all the time, athletes are programmed at an early age to say what they think people want to hear. If Zion could be in the NBA right now he would be and you're fooling yourself if you think otherwise.

Anthony Davis said "all 29 teams" were on his list but we know damn well he's not going to Memphis or Cleveland.

>Neither RBO nor I are saying Zion *shouldn't* sit out. We're
>saying he should do what he wants. And you continue to dispute
>that stance for reasons unknown. The only logical conclusion
>is that you think Zion's own words aren't a reflection of how
>Zion feels. Which is, quite obviously, strange.

That's literally what I've said all along, I have no agenda here, obviously you do.

>No shit sherlock but you can act like college hoops doesn't
>have a vested interest all you want but we know that's not the
>case. College basketball is a billion dollar business you know
>that better than anyone. We know that just from the
>aftermarket ticket prices of Wednesday night's game.

I didn't say college hoops doesn't have a vested interest in money. You said, "isn't the reason they instituted the 1 year removed fom hs because the NCAA and college coaches were crying about talent going straight to the pros?" And the answer to that is, no, that isn't the reason. The reason is easily Googlable. Here's something from the top result of a Google search:

From WaPo: "The one-and-done rule began in 2005, when Silver was deputy commissioner under David Stern. It stipulated one of two age requirements a player must meet to be eligible for the draft: Either the player must turn 19 before or during the calendar year of the draft, or the player must be one year removed from high school graduation unless he met the criteria for international players.

There had been a handful of players since the 1970s to jump to the NBA directly out of high school, most notably Moses Malone and Darryl Dawkins. It became a trend beginning in 1995, when Kevin Garnett was taken fifth overall by the Minnesota Timberwolves. Three high schoolers — Kwame Brown in 2001, LeBron James in 2003 and Dwight Howard in 2004 — were selected No. 1 overall.

When eight of the top 19 picks in 2004 were high schoolers, Stern began a push to get an age requirement into the next collective bargaining agreement. Stern’s initial proposal was to require that players turn 20 before entering the draft, but he eventually settled for what became known as the “one-and-done” rule. The NBA no longer would spend its time scouting in high school gyms and would have a more physically and mentally mature group of players coming into the league every year."

That's the reason. Literally never had anything to do with the NCAA.

>>Neither RBO nor I are saying Zion *shouldn't* sit out. We're
>>saying he should do what he wants. And you continue to
>dispute
>>that stance for reasons unknown. The only logical conclusion
>>is that you think Zion's own words aren't a reflection of
>how
>>Zion feels. Which is, quite obviously, strange.
>
>That's literally what I've said all along, I have no agenda
>here, obviously you do.

Right, you're completely agenda-free, and we have the nefarious agenda of trusting a player's ability to make his own career choices. What an awful agenda to have!

Anyway. Have a good weekend, Truth.

>I didn't say college hoops doesn't have a vested interest in
>money. You said, "isn't the reason they instituted the 1 year
>removed fom hs because the NCAA and college coaches were
>crying about talent going straight to the pros?" And the
>answer to that is, no, that isn't the reason. The reason is
>easily Googlable. Here's something from the top result of a
>Google search:
>
>From WaPo: "The one-and-done rule began in 2005, when Silver
>was deputy commissioner under David Stern. It stipulated one
>of two age requirements a player must meet to be eligible for
>the draft: Either the player must turn 19 before or during the
>calendar year of the draft, or the player must be one year
>removed from high school graduation unless he met the criteria
>for international players.
>
>There had been a handful of players since the 1970s to jump to
>the NBA directly out of high school, most notably Moses Malone
>and Darryl Dawkins. It became a trend beginning in 1995, when
>Kevin Garnett was taken fifth overall by the Minnesota
>Timberwolves. Three high schoolers — Kwame Brown in 2001,
>LeBron James in 2003 and Dwight Howard in 2004 — were
>selected No. 1 overall.
>
>When eight of the top 19 picks in 2004 were high schoolers,
>Stern began a push to get an age requirement into the next
>collective bargaining agreement. Stern’s initial proposal
>was to require that players turn 20 before entering the draft,
>but he eventually settled for what became known as the
>“one-and-done” rule. The NBA no longer would spend its
>time scouting in high school gyms and would have a more
>physically and mentally mature group of players coming into
>the league every year."
>
>That's the reason. Literally never had anything to do with the
>NCAA.

And if you actually believe that I have beachfront property in Missouri for sale.

Like that every season? Theymir job is 1000x eeasier if the kids stayed 3 years.

>
LMAO

Y'all my negroes forreal, I dunno what i will do when OKS is gone.

https://www.slamonline.com/archives/demarcus-cousins-knowing-what-i-know-now-college-basketball-is-bullshit/

I mean we're worried about his future, right? So if he gets his paper straight either way and wants to play, then cool.

If he doesn't want to, I fully understand that as well.

that kid is great man. I've never appreciated a Dukie like I appreciate him. He's got the spirit of Marvin Hagler or whoever. He'll play.

He's got nothing to prove...other than he's healthy

As evident last night, the gap between him and the next prospect is large

This Duke class has been heralded all year as an all time great

They should be able to win 2 games in the tourney without him

'Rie's Duke career was similar...and it didn't impact him going #1 overall

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But if they don't look like they can contend for a chip...I'd sit

that's why I'm saying wait until the sweet 16

A team with 2 top 5 prospects should be able to win 2 games

If not, it wasn't gonna happen anyway.

More often than any other program in that time frame.

But "Insert Mercer Meme Here" is a fun way to part from reality.

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everybody done ate off him, so he need to make sure he can take care of his family down the line.

i think they said it would not be effective for a few years, but they don't want these kids to get injured and lose their share of the cake.

players.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/2019/02/21/nba-draft-eligible-age-limit-proposal-18-years-old/2942228002/

At the July NBA owners’ meeting, Silver told reporters: “My personal view is that we’re ready to make that change. … When I’ve weighed the pros and cons, given that Condoleezza Rice and her Commission (On College Basketball) has recommended to the NBA that those one-and-done players now come directly into the league, and in essence the college community is saying we do not want those players anymore. That sort of tips the scale in my mind that we should be taking a serious look at lowering our age to 18.”

Straight from HS to the NBA use to be somewhat of a rarity. You might have 5-7 players test it out and only a handful of them pan out.

But today? The one and done players are likely mostly good pro prospects. I think the G-League becomes uber important now that there will be much more draft entrance by these guys.

I read somewhere that they where considering going back to 3 rounds for the draft with the 3rd round being guys they'd put in the G-league to develop. I think that's the right move.

dumb to me. None of these kids have to go to college before entering the draft. They could go overseas to ply their trade for a year.

>dumb to me. None of these kids have to go to college before
>entering the draft. They could go overseas to ply their trade
>for a year.

Actually that sounds dumb, that overseas life is generally not all its cracked up to be for most people.

>RE: Dude should do what he chooses. On the other hand, Boogie sounded...
>>dumb to me. None of these kids have to go to college before
>>entering the draft. They could go overseas to ply their
>trade
>>for a year.
>
>Actually that sounds dumb, that overseas life is generally not
>all its cracked up to be for most people.
>

the NBA. It's clear, from the what NCAA claims, that their game is not a breeding ground (minor league) for the NBA. The rules are the rules. And those rules don't say that a kid has to go to college to play in the NBA. They just have to be one year removed from HS graduation to do so.

Overseas? The Globetrotters? The YMCA near your house? LA Fitness?

So, yeah. Boogie sounded dumb. Being overseas may not be what some believe it is. Nothing is when you're working your way from the ground up. Shit wasn't sweet in your chosen career either when you were first starting. You earn your way to the top. You think the long rides on the bus is sweet for minor league baseball players? Nope.

...if you already live in the states.

>RE: Yeah. The NCAA is still the “best” way to raise your profile for a year
>...if you already live in the states.

And that's all I'm pointing out. Boogie made it seem as if he these kids are being forced to play in the NCAA. They're not. And I'm not shedding a tear for them regardless of what they choose. Some of these kids built their following through AAU basketball. Them playing one year in the NCAA ain't changing nothing.

Straight up... Zion got the hype but I don't see what's so special about his game that he projects to be GREAT at the next level. Dude has been doing the same things, this year, that he was doing in AAU over the last few years. Maybe I just don't get too excited about these one and done players. Way more of them fail (don't live up to the hype) than they do succeed (live up to it). Look at all of those UK players form the last decade.

Let's just be real about the fact that they're not being forced to. So, he jumped out there because he's, seemingly, got his own pent up frustration about things that happened during his college years.

He’ll ride these Golden State coattails to a title this year, sure. Then it’s off to, like, Charlotte or whatever where he can settle back into his passive aggressive underachieving and coach-killing ways

You guys are all white supremacist dicks

This is so weird

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Wild flagrant way to disagree with somebody bud, chill

>Wild flagrant way to disagree with somebody bud, chill

He's a very hard working professional who is among the
top 1% of people to ever try and be good at his job.

Stop acting like his opinion don't count just because he
frowns on the court and barks at ref

You guys are such dicks

Stop

"Duke spokesman Mike DeGeorge on Thursday could not confirm to the Associated Press a report by Action Network that Williamson had an $8 million loss of value policy written by Winston-Salem-based International Specialty Insurance that would pay out if he slipped past the 16th pick in this June's draft. Officials at ISI did not return telephone and email messages to the AP on Thursday."

Full article and PG's take on it: http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/26048640/paul-george-asks-nike-went-wrong-pg-25-shoe-zion-williamson-injury

I do think athletes need to have even better insurance policies, or the ability to adjust those policies midseason. Once it became clear he was the consensus #1, he should've been able to re-up that insurance policy to kick in if, say, he falls out of the Top 8 or something.

Lolz, cmon guys

I've been home sick with a shitty cold the last 3 days straight, no leaving the apartment-- guess I got bored and feisty with nothing else to do. Dumb.

did you have an opinion or did you just feel compelled to type my name?

It wasn't really much of a "back and forth", I just offered my opinion which is similar to the opinions of most professional basketball players especially since Zion got hurt.

Frank and RBO got their panties in a bunch because I called them college guys and began to argue irrelevant points.

Why are you commenting here?

FOH with “bogus” btw.

the best you could come up with. "Helluva job, Mitch!"

>Why are you commenting here?
>
>FOH with “bogus” btw.

Umm I started the post genius.

LMAO @ "he should do what he wants to." No shit, that's
not what we're talking about. He should quite and join
a Fortnite competitive team if he wants.

There is absolutely, positively no argument that continuing
to play is the right basketball future decision. None.

If his future is the thing we're talking about, he should
quit, hire the best coaches and nutritionists in the world,
prepare for a Hall of Fame career

The argument being made, according to RBO and Frank

Is that while in HS, he stated he wanted to go to college.

Most rational people can see there is nothing to gain for his future by ever playing another second for Duke

Zion's a lock for #1

and you can see how wide the margin is between him and #2 with Duke getting blown out at home vs UNC and struggling to put away 'cuse without him

His next game SHOULD be in an NBA uniform

But...also according to RBO and Frank, Zion feels some responsibility to his Duke team and teammates to play again this year

>But...also according to RBO and Frank, Zion feels some
>responsibility to his Duke team and teammates to play again
>this year

Because that is the dumbest shit I've ever heard in my
life.

Zion might FEEL responsibility to quit basketball and
take up sustainable agriculture. That's a perfectly fine
decision too.

But there is NO ARGUMENT for playing another basketball
game if the conversation has anything to do with his
future. None. Zero.


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is saying our argument is as opposed to reading what we actually wrote?

Don’t be that lazy.

and then you and Frank back and forth Truth

Reply 46...something something AAU friends

Yep, I made it all up...FOH.

Point me to your post where you said he shouldn't play...missed it

his teammates?

I did say if he wants to play, he should surely play.

Same thing with Michael Porter Jr. last year. If he wants to play, go for it.

If he finds value in the experience whether it's one the court or off it, I don't get what the problem is.

Zion should only think about what Zion wants.

Its rather simple.

So we've gone from I made it up...to the word responsibility

OP, what should Zion do

RBO, he said he wanted to go to college

What was the point of posting that?

Point me to the post where you said he shouldn't play...I missed it.

And the fact that we have to keep going back to what I said makes me believe that I don't think you're doing this intentionally, but you are in fact an imbecile.

1. Should Zion sit out the rest of the season? (A boring ass topic that is rehashed every college basketball season or sometimes every other season).

2.Me: Zion should do whatever he wants to do. -----> His words and actions are giving all indications he wants to play.

3. Dumb niggaz that wear snapbacks during snowstorms: You saying he should play because he owes it to Duke, the NCAA, or his AAU teammates?

4. Me: I didn't say he should play. I said he wants to play and should do that.
I didn't mention Duke or the NCAA.
I said he has mentioned he wants to play with his friends. And that's what matters to him. And leads back to doing what you want.

Now we're here.

Don't nobody care about WANT. That's not the issue.
Of course he can do what he WANTS.

SHOULD is the only question.

The answer to that is "NO"

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and with you and Truth being patrons, I'm sure he can make back that Rookie contract money.

He SHOULD do what he WANTS to do.

>and with you and Truth being patrons, I'm sure he can make
>back that Rookie contract money.
>
>He SHOULD do what he WANTS to do.

Zion need not step foot on a college floor ever again.

His best bet is to hire trainers and coaches, work on his
game, get ready for the NBA


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"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."

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>
>3. Dumb niggaz that wear snapbacks during snowstorms
>
>

Not what should he do

If the issue is what is best for his future, he SHOULD
stop playing NOW. This SHOULD be unanimous. There is
no other possible argument.

The question of what he WANTS is not an interesting
question. He might WANT to join a bobsledding team.
He might WANT to take up high stakes Poker. He might
WANT to host the Grammy's. We're not talking about
WANT.

The issue is about his future. He has nothing else to
demonstrate. He SHOULD sit down.

Which is how what he wants to do became relevant.

>Which is how what he wants to do became relevant.

What he WANTS is not the relevant conversation.

He might WANT a lot of things.

The only conversation is about what he SHOULD do.

IF WE ARE TALKING ABOUT HIS FUTURE AS A PRO, there is NO
REASON for him to step on a college basketball court,
ever gain.

Indicator of what he'll actually do.

If playing in hamilton was more important to him than the nba, he should try to play in Hamilton.

this is his only chance for that

not everyone is purely motivated by money as a zero sum game

And he shouldn't care.

Kyrie is the best Dukie to ever play in the NBA.

He barely played for Duke.

His damn proud of his ncaa chip.

Y'all acting dumb

Stop

He didn't GAF

So there's that

Thats what i replied to

It aint my argument, but if you throwing melo into this, thats incentive to play bc your nba career might be a lot of points and not alot of postseason success.

people who are really into sports dont actually understand a competitor's mindset

>people who are really into sports dont actually understand a
>competitor's mindset


Of course Bosa has friends and is a competitor. His
fire is specifically one of his best football traits.

He just realized that sitting out the rest of the season
was a better and safer career move.

Zion CAN do what he WANTS.

To the original question? If longevity and safety are
the concerns, he SHOULD sit out the season.

>Of course Bosa has friends and is a competitor. His
>fire is specifically one of his best football traits.

okay. what does that have to do with anyone who couldnt understand why someone would choose to stay?

>
>>Of course Bosa has friends and is a competitor. His
>>fire is specifically one of his best football traits.
>
>okay. what does that have to do with anyone who couldnt
>understand why someone would choose to stay?

No one is curious why he'd choose to play. He wants to
play because he's in college and college and basketball
are fun.


The question is whether or not there's a good reason
for him not to play.

If he decided to quit, that *would* be a good decision.
Just like it was with Bosa

im specifically referring to commenters who say he doesn't care about playing college basketball or that its not important, because thats a personal perspective they dont understand

we agree that whatever he wants to do is exactly what he should do

all that about Bosa not being a competitor is your manifestation, not mine

Maybe sit out second halves too.

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/WV-ASU7d25Q/hqdefault.jpg

>Maybe sit out second halves too.

Minutes restrictions and sitting players down
for the rest of the regular season? Happens when
guys are *already* millionaires

But somehow the thought is ludicrous for a kid in
college? Bwahahahahaha

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i dont see how anyone isnt a fan of his at this point.

hopefully nothing but the best in store for him in the future.

Won't be complete without him as, like, The Young Monstar or something. Dude's not just an exceptional athlete, he's also charismatic as shit and has fun every time he's on the court.

He may be the most exciting thing happening in sports, period

thankfully it ended w/ Duke losing cause i thought he wouldn't be denied.

He has been so much better and stronger than the competition that he hasn't had to refine every aspect of his own game or play the team game yet. People get out of his way in the lane and he gets away with over-handling the ball. He will need to make some adjustments in the pros but the tools he has are absolutely singular. We've never seen a guy with his combination of athletic ability, strength and size, and he is a gamer, too.

Welp

Didn't win jack

Waste of time? Prolly

Nobody said it was guaranteed they'd win. He also stayed healthy. Not sure what there is to gloat about here.

>Nobody said it was guaranteed they'd win. He also stayed
>healthy. Not sure what there is to gloat about here.

NO ANY EXPERIENCE THAT CANNOT IMMEDIATELY BE MONETIZED IS USELESS!!!!!

>Nobody said it was guaranteed they'd win. He also stayed
>healthy. Not sure what there is to gloat about here.

Waste of time, sorry

>
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