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2683430, Can the Lakers play .500 ball without LeBron?
Posted by Vex_id, Wed Dec-31-69 07:00 PM
Lakers are currently 1-3 without LeBron in the lineup - but the schedule turns a bit more favorable over the next stretch of games. Bron looks like he'll sit for at least another week or two - and the Lakers just need to stay afloat during that time lest they find themselves quickly snatched out of the playoff picture.

But this is an interesting time to scrutinize this team to see who can run with the wolves in the next couple of years to vie for titles. What's clear is that without a second all-star - this currently comprised roster is not sufficient to compete for a title.

Poll question: Can the Lakers play .500 ball without LeBron?

Poll result (7 votes)
Yup (2 votes)Vote
Nope (4 votes)Vote
BI's team (1 votes)Vote

  

2683431, I say yes. Or rather, they have a better chance than previous LeBron teams
Posted by Dr Claw, Thu Jan-03-19 12:40 PM
which bodes well for when LeBron (and Rondo) come back
2683462, yea this team is certainly better than last year's Cavs
Posted by Vex_id, Thu Jan-03-19 04:42 PM
(and we're seeing the evidence of just how bad that team was now) - which does bode well, but in order to really compete this team will have to continue to grow at an accelerated pace, which is a lot to ask for a young core in their early 20's.
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2683440, With BI being better than PG, I don't see why not.
Posted by Innocent Criminal, Thu Jan-03-19 02:43 PM
2683452, lol
Posted by Stadiq, Thu Jan-03-19 03:47 PM
2683463, BI might be the 3rd/4th best player on the team.
Posted by Vex_id, Thu Jan-03-19 04:42 PM
good role player.

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2683442, they CAN, but i don't think they WILL
Posted by BrooklynWHAT, Thu Jan-03-19 03:04 PM
without Lebron AND Rondo.

the rest of the gang is talented, they play hard, but they're dumb as all fuck and lord almighty they cannot shoot FTs to save their lives. basically what you'd expect out of a young supporting cast without their main horse and a strong leader
2683465, Rondo being out is def hurting them with no Bron.
Posted by Vex_id, Thu Jan-03-19 04:44 PM
he's on his second surgery of the year - two freak injuries. Better to happen now as opposed to May.


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2683447, We could be over .500 if we had the rest of the roster
Posted by LA2Philly, Thu Jan-03-19 03:15 PM
Missing Rondo, Chandler hobbled, Kuzma hobbled & potentially out, Mcgee recovering from a serious respiratory illness...team is running on fumes down the stretch of games, all compounded by missing free throws.
2683466, this team really can't afford not to be healthy for large stretches
Posted by Vex_id, Thu Jan-03-19 04:46 PM
Just as I believe they could win 10 straight if healthy and rolling, they could easily lose 10 of 12 with key guys missing and the turnovers/poor free throw shooting plaguing.
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2683582, bad loss last night. Knicks snapped 8-game losing streak
Posted by Vex_id, Sat Jan-05-19 09:43 AM
Lakers now 1-4 without Bron.

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2683585, Sure... they got a roster full of young talent, high ceilings & high iqs
Posted by TheRealBillyOcean, Sat Jan-05-19 11:14 AM
... that they're just gathering to offer in a package for Anthony Davis.
2683589, and yet, they still have one of the best trade packages for N.O.
Posted by Vex_id, Sat Jan-05-19 12:48 PM
Other than LAL and Boston - what better trade packages could be offered in the foreseeable future?

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2683672, Also without Kuzma and Rondo
Posted by justin_scott, Sun Jan-06-19 03:47 PM
hard to win without three starters
2683674, Rondo has been coming off the bench
Posted by Vex_id, Sun Jan-06-19 03:51 PM
and hasn't been available for most of the season thus far.

Kuz was in the lineup at the beginning of this stretch - and should play tomorrow in Dallas.

But yea - this team can't sustain with its core continually sidelined to injury.

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2683687, Rondo’s absence becomes extra important if LeBron is out
Posted by DJR, Sun Jan-06-19 05:05 PM
Rondo was great on Christmas. He could have that type of impact and help keep things afloat with LeBron out. He’s not as necessary when LeBron is healthy.

Likewise, Kuzma is also a killer as his ability to create offense for himself becomes extra important with LeBron out, let alone LeBron and Rondo. Killer combo of injuries at the same time.
2683692, For sure.
Posted by Vex_id, Sun Jan-06-19 06:26 PM
but this team shouldn't have such dramatic drop-off without Rondo. They should play better tomorrow night with Kuz back.


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2683686, The Lakers "Young Promising Core" is a myth. It's a bunch of ehhhh players...
Posted by TheRealBillyOcean, Sun Jan-06-19 05:04 PM
who wouldn't get talked about if they weren't on the Lakers.

Probably should've tried to move all of them years ago, when other GM's were actually fooled.
2683691, Lakers now 1-5 without LeBron
Posted by Vex_id, Sun Jan-06-19 06:20 PM
This team went from being discussed as a viable threat in the Western Conference (after beating GSW on Christmas Day and being a top 4 seed) to being out of the playoff picture in just 2 weeks without LeBron lol.

This team is a 30-35 win team w/ out LeBron. No other player in the game creates such a land-shift in a team's stature as does LeBron. Cleveland is the worst team in the East this year. With LeBron they are conference champions.

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2683693, Lonzo defense so good he locked himself down. Donut
Posted by Beezo, Sun Jan-06-19 06:44 PM
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2683695, remember when mo williams started crying when bron left cleveland?
Posted by Reeq, Sun Jan-06-19 06:50 PM
niggas know it dont get no sweeter.
2683787, lol will never forget it.
Posted by Vex_id, Mon Jan-07-19 03:53 PM

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2683696, ehh...
Posted by CyrenYoung, Sun Jan-06-19 07:12 PM
..if this were just about Lebron's absence, I might be concerned.

Rondo & Kuz are significant absences as well.

I'm more concerned about Rondo's overall availability/health this year than Bron.


*skatin' the rings of saturn*


..and miles to go before i sleep...
2683694, Yikes.
Posted by Ryan M, Sun Jan-06-19 06:47 PM
2683729, The goal now is to be .500 when Lebron gets back
Posted by LA2Philly, Mon Jan-07-19 01:21 AM
If his return is on Sunday at home against Cleveland, that means winning one of the next three games.
2683786, pretty much. I'm hoping Bron returns on Wednesday v. Detroit
Posted by Vex_id, Mon Jan-07-19 03:53 PM

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2683944, He’s not. He’s getting re-evaluated on Friday
Posted by LA2Philly, Tue Jan-08-19 10:29 AM
2683749, You do realize Rondo is out too?
Posted by LegacyNS, Mon Jan-07-19 10:15 AM
He was integral to helping the Lakers take back control of the GS game where were eventually blew them out. Lonzo is not ready to run the show full time. If Rondo was there we'd be .500.

Also, the GS game should count. When Bron went out we had a +20 point lead and GS got it back down to 2 points. Yet we ended up winning by a wider margin that when LeBron was playing. That doesn't happen without Rondo.


Hell look at New Orleans with Rondo last year and without him this year.. yikes...

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dlgiritpmfo

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2683750, Rondo was the best pickup of the 'Meme Team' IMO
Posted by Dr Claw, Mon Jan-07-19 10:40 AM
>Hell look at New Orleans with Rondo last year and without him
>this year.. yikes...

wanted him last year in CLE but alas...
2683785, Again. Rondo has been out essentially all year
Posted by Vex_id, Mon Jan-07-19 03:52 PM
he's had two freak injuries/surgeries and has only appeared in 14 games thus far this year. Lakers really need him right now but he hasn't been an integral/consistent starter yet. Once he gets healthy, his impact will be felt (as it was in the G.S. game) - but it's kind of hard to pin this 1-5 losing skid on Rondo being out when he's been out essentially all season thus far.


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2683810, NO won 48 games last year. .they're 18-22 this year.
Posted by LegacyNS, Mon Jan-07-19 08:36 PM
cmon brah...
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dlgiritpmfo

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2684043, you're omitting the fact they had prime, motivated Cousins
Posted by Vex_id, Wed Jan-09-19 09:58 AM
and have had significant injuries this year.

Rondo is solid - but he ain't the land-shift presence that you're making him out to be.

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2684172, like you're omitting other injuries beside LeBron during this run..
Posted by LegacyNS, Thu Jan-10-19 12:56 PM
Rondo, McGee, Beasley, Kuzma have all missed games during this timeframe..

and 3-5 is disingenuous if you consider what happened in the GS game and how they ended up blowing the Warriors out with LeBron out of the game.


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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dlgiritpmfo

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2684312, lol lakers have had guys out all season.
Posted by Vex_id, Sat Jan-12-19 06:45 PM
>Rondo, McGee, Beasley, Kuzma have all missed games during
>this timeframe..

Lakers went on a great run w/ LeBron with Beasley, Rondo & Ingram out several games -- this is a deep team and they should be able tread water with LeBron out when their core has remained relatively intact through the stretch.

>and 3-5 is disingenuous if you consider what happened in the
>GS game and how they ended up blowing the Warriors out with
>LeBron out of the game.

After they had built a lead w/ LeBron in the game.

But you're right - the lakers aren't 3-5 w/ out LeBron during this stretch - they're 3-6.

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2684329, Ok....
Posted by LegacyNS, Sat Jan-12-19 09:09 PM
>>Rondo, McGee, Beasley, Kuzma have all missed games during
>>this timeframe..
>
>Lakers went on a great run w/ LeBron with Beasley, Rondo &
>Ingram out several games -- this is a deep team and they
>should be able tread water with LeBron out when their core has
>remained relatively intact through the stretch.
>
>>and 3-5 is disingenuous if you consider what happened in the
>>GS game and how they ended up blowing the Warriors out with
>>LeBron out of the game.
>
>After they had built a lead w/ LeBron in the game.
>
>But you're right - the lakers aren't 3-5 w/ out LeBron during
>this stretch - they're 3-6.
>
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Yeah.. as guys were during the stretch were LeBron is out... lol
Dude GS got the 18 point lead down to 2 points and the Lakers won by +20...

And they were 4-6 to start the season *with* LeBron playing..

*shrug*..

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dlgiritpmfo

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2683757, We trash, Bron is the GOAT.
Posted by ThaTruth, Mon Jan-07-19 10:58 AM
2683921, This is a blessing in disguise....young'uns looked strong tonight
Posted by Castro, Tue Jan-08-19 01:12 AM
BI/ZO/HART with Kuz and Bron as the Lakers Death lineup could be intriguing this spring.


Bron being out is giving them the opportunity to find their games together.

2683943, naw i dont want to see the Kuzma 5 experience again
Posted by BrooklynWHAT, Tue Jan-08-19 10:27 AM
we leaked buckets like the titanic and he was taking such a beating that it was killing him on the offensive side.
2684179, It is.. they get to grow up a little more before Bron gets back..
Posted by LegacyNS, Thu Jan-10-19 02:27 PM
They won't be totally reliant on him to make things happen. He can just orchestrate plays at key moments to help them win games. Bron can truly get his Magic on going forward. Control the game.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dlgiritpmfo

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2683942, huge win @ Dallas.
Posted by Vex_id, Tue Jan-08-19 10:22 AM

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2684040, side topic: Lonzo 'Prince Rogers Rondo' Ball
Posted by Dr Claw, Wed Jan-09-19 09:45 AM
what's y'all's take on him? because he looking wild sus right now, on the cusp of booty

to the point I'm beginning to wonder if shipping off Randle and Beige Messiah was a good idea.
2684044, Zo has home-town favoritism buoying him.
Posted by Vex_id, Wed Jan-09-19 10:01 AM
If he didn't have the local buzz that he has - I think fans would be very low on him at this point. Hate to say that I agree with SAS - but i do re: Lonzo. Sometimes he looks like he doesn't necessarily care for the game and plays wildly indifferent -- other times he's engaged and looks like Jason Kidd 2.0. He did miss preseason and is coming off serious injury (so the first 20 games really was his training camp) - but I'm hoping to see more fire in him moving forward. I think it's safe to say that he'd very much be in play for a blockbuster trade featuring multiple Lakers in exchange for a Big Fish.

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2684079, Lol he never looks like Jason Kidd
Posted by TheRealBillyOcean, Wed Jan-09-19 12:41 PM
2684081, let's look at some actual facts versus your feelings
Posted by Vex_id, Wed Jan-09-19 01:15 PM
Jason Kidd (rookie year):
11+ ppg
7+ apg
5+ rbg
FG%: 38%
3pt FG%: 23%

Lonzo Ball (rookie year):
10+ ppg
7+ apg
7 rbg
FG%: 36%
3pt FG% 30%

yea i guess you're right. No similarities whatsoever.

J. Kidd came into the league as a swiss-army knife guy who needed to work on his shooting - and transformed from a bad shooter to a reliable spot-up 3 point shooter, very good from the free throw strike (after being abysmal early in his career as a shooter).

but yea - nothing alike.


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2684094, honest question, no snark- did you watch Kidd play?
Posted by Stadiq, Wed Jan-09-19 02:24 PM

You seem like a younger dude, which is fine.


But, did you watch Kidd's early days? Specifically his Rookie year, because that's what you are comparing?

He was special- especially as the season went on.


Lonzo ain't special. And that's okay. But he just isn't.
2684095, Yes I did
Posted by Vex_id, Wed Jan-09-19 02:31 PM
I was quite young when he was a rookie - but watched him in Dallas and much more so in New Jersey.

>He was special- especially as the season went on.
>
>
>Lonzo ain't special. And that's okay. But he just isn't.

I may be in the minority - but I think Lonzo shows flashes of being very special. It took Kidd quite some time to develop into the hall-of-famer he is. I'm not saying Lonzo will become that caliber of player - but he shows flashes of being that kind of potential.

-exquisite vision
-elite play-making/passing instincts
-unselfish
-capable of playing/processing at a very fast rate
-fast hands and great size at PG to defend at a high level

He's not Kidd, of course. But Kidd wasn't the eventual star he turned out to be during his rookie year, either.

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2684108, Word
Posted by Stadiq, Wed Jan-09-19 04:03 PM
>I was quite young when he was a rookie - but watched him in
>Dallas and much more so in New Jersey.
>
>>He was special- especially as the season went on.
>>
>>
>>Lonzo ain't special. And that's okay. But he just isn't.
>
>I may be in the minority - but I think Lonzo shows flashes of
>being very special. It took Kidd quite some time to develop
>into the hall-of-famer he is. I'm not saying Lonzo will
>become that caliber of player - but he shows flashes of being
>that kind of potential.
>
>-exquisite vision
>-elite play-making/passing instincts
>-unselfish
>-capable of playing/processing at a very fast rate
>-fast hands and great size at PG to defend at a high level
>
>He's not Kidd, of course. But Kidd wasn't the eventual star
>he turned out to be during his rookie year, either.
>
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I don't really have a dog in this fight.

I actually think the Kidd comparisons early on, and now, are a little unfair to Zo because that is a very high bar in my opinion.

I don't think he'll hit that bar obviously, but I do think folks should be patient while also having reasonable expectations.


I haven't watched every game of course, but he does seem too passive/not engaged a lot of the time.

There are some Laker fans that over-rate him, and others. Like, if it takes flipping BI and Lonzo to land something special, you do it. No question.

2684128, Numbers can LIE
Posted by IsaIsaIsa, Thu Jan-10-19 12:57 AM
I like Lonzo, and I think he can be at least a 2-time all star....but Jason Kidd was ELITE ELITE ELITE at every level, 2-time Mr. California, consensus AA in college, etc.

Zo's numbers are very similar to Kidd's, but he ain't having that impact.


www.Tupreme.com
2684090, If you pay attention to the FO, Zo isn't getting moved
Posted by LA2Philly, Wed Jan-09-19 02:10 PM
The FO and staff all talk about the same things: defensive identity, playing fast, and playing unselfish. Lonzo does all three of those things at an elite level. Yes his offensive hesitation is frustrating but he in terms of what we want to do as a team and bringing in another max player this summer, a low usage player who can fill many cracks while being an all-pro defender and pushing the pace is exactly what you want.
2684096, yea. and magic seems to have taken ownership over this
Posted by Vex_id, Wed Jan-09-19 02:32 PM
I like Lonzo a lot - but I think even the FO would move him if it meant receiving AD in a packaged deal. Outside of that you're probably right - he'll be staying.


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2684045, shipping D'Tective was always a terrible idea.
Posted by BrooklynWHAT, Wed Jan-09-19 10:05 AM
but i believe it got us Kuzma in the end iirc.
2684074, oh, in that case
Posted by Dr Claw, Wed Jan-09-19 11:56 AM
>but i believe it got us Kuzma in the end iirc.

I can see it. Kuzma is the kind of dude you need on the team. I kinda wish D'Tective (LMAO) could have stuck around
2684087, I was salivating at that backcourt.
Posted by wallysmith, Wed Jan-09-19 02:05 PM
Their skillsets were perfectly complementary. Getting rid of Mozgov had to happen though and that probably soured the relationship between Mintz and the Lakers, leading to Randle not sticking around.
2684091, It got us Kuzma and a max salary slot
Posted by LA2Philly, Wed Jan-09-19 02:12 PM
I'll take that any day of the week for DLo...and that's coming from someone who was and still is one of his most ardent supporters. It worked out for all parties involved.
2684051, He ain’t it.
Posted by Beezo, Wed Jan-09-19 10:27 AM
Been saying it since his college days.
He’ll be an average pro and that’s fine.
2684092, I love Lonzo. LOVE him.
Posted by wallysmith, Wed Jan-09-19 02:14 PM
Never loved and rooted for a player as much as him since young FroBe.

And not so much because Lonzo's a UCLA cat, but because, philosophically, there's so much about his game that I love: understated, super unselfish, vision for days, doesn't care about his own stats, all business in interviews. Absolute consummate team player.

But that same sort of demeanor shows up in weird ways on the court. He doesn't care about his stats but he's visibly affected when his shots not falling. He can disengage from games after mistakes. But when he's on? He's a fucking black hole on defense and no one on the team runs the fast break better than him.

Saw a comment on reddit that really makes sense to me... Lonzo's like a basketball savant with a preternatual understanding of the game that decades-long stars will never achieve but he flunked out of Basketball 101 and is complete shit at some of the most basic fundmentals. This weird dichotomy explains his polarizatation, regardless of whether you're a fan of him or not.

I love him so much but goddamn is he frustrating. You're right, he may really just be an average pro. And that's fine... and terrifying.
2684088, He's looking suspect as a scorer
Posted by LA2Philly, Wed Jan-09-19 02:07 PM
Fortunately, there's a lot more to basketball than scoring. If you really want to see his impact, look at his individual and team defensive ratings. Same goes for BI currently.
2684100, With Bron, BI, and Kuz (AND HART) why does he need to score?
Posted by Castro, Wed Jan-09-19 02:51 PM
I think Rondo is actually a better comparison than Kidd.

And this guy as far as his defense is better than young Rondo, shoots better than young Rondo, and has the benefit of Bron and Magic in learning how to properly run a team in the half court offense.


I think late in the season and in the playoffs is where dude's defense is going to shine, because he's Rondo quick and 6'6"...

If he is shooting 35% or better from 3 the rest of the season, they are in good shape with him.
2684103, RB The BreakThrough (Youtube) and some trash outlets
Posted by Vex_id, Wed Jan-09-19 03:20 PM
reporting that Bron has a hernia and will miss at least another month.

Hope they're trolling for likes. Can't find anything credible to substantiate it.

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2684129, Kuz.
Posted by Ryan M, Thu Jan-10-19 01:03 AM
2684133, yessir and Beas, KCP, Zo, and BI. Defense was on one tonight
Posted by LA2Philly, Thu Jan-10-19 02:13 AM
Third in defensive efficiency since Lebron got hurt...that's clearly our foundation. Just need to get the offense going
2684135, And it was one of those nights...
Posted by wallysmith, Thu Jan-10-19 02:51 AM
https://cdn-b-east.streamable.com/video/mp4/y8bgl_1.mp4?token=G-Rn4Xul8aAAqzdK5tiC8A&expires=1547110496


https://cdn-b-east.streamable.com/video/mp4/kslwe_1.mp4?token=vu1EJfqE58Rb9XQMaTIMNQ&expires=1547110387

https://cdn-b-east.streamable.com/video/mp4/ype9o_1.mp4?token=7DctsqnhLqCiii-2qnGFyQ&expires=1547110501  

be still my beating heart
2684134, Sigh @ my Pistons
Posted by L_O_Quent, Thu Jan-10-19 02:20 AM
2684165, Jesus Christ do we suck
Posted by cgonz00cc, Thu Jan-10-19 11:00 AM
NO WAY this healthy ass starting 5 is 5 games under .500 under SVG right now
2684167, SVG is on Dan LeBatard every Wednesday...
Posted by Dstl1, Thu Jan-10-19 11:09 AM
one of my favorite days of the week. They literally celebrated when he got fired, because then he could be on the show for a full day, ever week...lol
2684168, damn. i had no idea he had regular gig like that.
Posted by cgonz00cc, Thu Jan-10-19 11:16 AM
gonna have to check that out. aside from wishing he was still our coach for floor reasons, i love his personality.
2684180, So SVG was the answer? Got it.
Posted by TheRealBillyOcean, Thu Jan-10-19 02:35 PM
2684189, LMAO wtf does that even mean?
Posted by cgonz00cc, Thu Jan-10-19 06:00 PM
no one said he was "the answer"

i said they wouldnt be this trash
2684139, 41 point 0 assists lol
Posted by Anonymous, Thu Jan-10-19 06:18 AM
Damn man...that 41 in 29 mins is great but you gotta damn near try not to have 1 fucking assist.
2684144, Does he dress in Kobe’s old locker?
Posted by Tiger Woods, Thu Jan-10-19 07:57 AM
2684153, 16/24. his job is to get buckets.
Posted by BrooklynWHAT, Thu Jan-10-19 09:15 AM
2684166, Is anyone else going to shoot better than 67%?
Posted by LA2Philly, Thu Jan-10-19 11:05 AM
If not and unless you're doubled, keep shooting. The best part of his game last night was that he got nearly all his looks within the flow.
2684145, Lakers now 3-5 without LeBron - Kuz is real
Posted by Vex_id, Thu Jan-10-19 08:07 AM
The win at Dallas followed by last night's win were huge for this team's confidence.

It's reassuring to see that this is not Cleveland (who were 4-26 w/out LeBron in the lineup).

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2684154, Kuz is the difference...
Posted by CyrenYoung, Thu Jan-10-19 10:08 AM
..the entire lineup feeds off his energy.

he's supercharged.

His work with Kobe is showing.




*skatin' the rings of saturn*


..and miles to go before i sleep...
2684157, he got that dog in him.
Posted by BrooklynWHAT, Thu Jan-10-19 10:25 AM
he aint scared to let it fly and he aint shook to play alongside lebron.
2684280, he's a big ass boobie gibson
Posted by Basaglia, Sat Jan-12-19 12:34 PM
2684163, Yup... great thing that Luke said last night...
Posted by wallysmith, Thu Jan-10-19 10:49 AM
is basically that his work ethic is insane. And not just that, he's proactive in seeking out guidance from older players.
2684184, The D has been top 3 in def rating since Bron was injured
Posted by LA2Philly, Thu Jan-10-19 04:39 PM
But the offensive rating was 30th before last night, much of which was due to Kuz being out.
2684187, Their D had already improved - they were top 10 in many categories
Posted by Vex_id, Thu Jan-10-19 04:43 PM
>But the offensive rating was 30th before last night, much of
>which was due to Kuz being out.

Kuz only sat for 2 games out of the 8 they've played w/ out lebron - so not sure what you mean by "much" of it was due to him being out.


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2684190, Def rating was 13th prior, off rating was 17th
Posted by LA2Philly, Thu Jan-10-19 06:26 PM
Which was just fine for a team that was continuing to find its identity and Lebron pacing himself (as he needs to be, there's a reason we don't play him at the small ball 5 but you will see that a lot more come playoffs time).

As for the 2.5 games Kuz missed, that's when the offensive rating completely tanked. However, the team has been defending their tail off since lebron went out, it's a great sign as we ramp up and head into the final parts of the season where Lebron will lock-in and add to it.
2684257, *Smh*
Posted by Beezo, Fri Jan-11-19 11:12 PM
2684258, went from a 6-point game to a 20-point game just like that.
Posted by Vex_id, Fri Jan-11-19 11:27 PM
While the Lakers can erase a lead as fast as just about any team - they can also get run up on with the same speed.

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2684261, Yea. Awful basketball by the Lakers.
Posted by Beezo, Sat Jan-12-19 12:28 AM
2684276, Damn, who locked Kuzma?
Posted by DJR, Sat Jan-12-19 11:42 AM
2684278, He locked himself. Boy thinks he’s arrived.
Posted by Beezo, Sat Jan-12-19 11:54 AM
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2684274, Yeah, y’all got it in for Bi
Posted by Basaglia, Sat Jan-12-19 11:27 AM
Kuz can be absolutely fucking terrible and y’all dont say shit
Lonzo can just be...Lonzo. And he get a pass

But y’all be mad when BI stays the most consistent of all of them, but it don’t matter because he don’t have that one huge game every other week like them. Even when he went for 29/6 the other day, Lonzo trash ass game was the lead headline

Get my guy the fuck off this team with this rapidly aging ass nigga. They not winning shit and they not gettin nobody
2684277, lol, you’re so determined to be a Lakers malcontent
Posted by DJR, Sat Jan-12-19 11:44 AM
posting like Chris Morris leaving his shoes untied for practice and shit.
2684279, i do what i do
Posted by Basaglia, Sat Jan-12-19 12:22 PM
2684281, Reality has it out for BI
Posted by bshelly, Sat Jan-12-19 12:42 PM
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/i/ingrabr01.html
2684287, Justise better than your big brickin bitch
Posted by Basaglia, Sat Jan-12-19 03:01 PM
2684284, BI is a very good player, just not a star
Posted by Vex_id, Sat Jan-12-19 02:07 PM
he ain't PG - and that's ok.

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2684286, Dude is avg AF, but
Posted by IsaIsaIsa, Sat Jan-12-19 02:30 PM
Lonzo is a lowkey bust. If the Lakers drafted De'Aaron Fox they'd be a much better team this year.
2684289, Being a top 10 individual def rating player = average
Posted by LA2Philly, Sat Jan-12-19 03:18 PM
Good one.
2684290, Offensively, he isn't being used correctly
Posted by LA2Philly, Sat Jan-12-19 03:22 PM
He's not a isolation scorer or good PnR creator right now. Yet, nearly 72% of his possessions have been Iso or PnR since Lebron left with injury. There's a complete mismatch between his current skill and his usage. I definitely believe he will grow into those roles.

However, he's absolutely devastating out of a triple threat and secondary attacker (like the game-sealing play against Dallas where he got the pass from Zo, instant swing-through to attack the lane, perfect pass to Javale for an easy dunk). To that point, his PPP is over 1.2 playing off the ball.
2684319, Where are you getting these adv. metrics from?
Posted by obsidianchrysalis, Sat Jan-12-19 07:51 PM
The NBA stats site?

Not coming at you, simply curious.
2684356, Synergy data
Posted by LA2Philly, Sun Jan-13-19 12:11 AM
2684855, Thx
Posted by obsidianchrysalis, Thu Jan-17-19 11:10 PM
2684291, 0 assists...talk about that
Posted by bentagain, Sat Jan-12-19 03:37 PM
Yep, Kuz had an off night

Then again, nobody's made threads claiming he's the next great LAL superstar

How many ON nights BI had...3...4...?
2684305, That was before Bron ruined his development
Posted by Basaglia, Sat Jan-12-19 05:08 PM
And hard to get dimes when everyone shootin like trash except you
2684285, if there was ever a question as to whether LAL needed Bron
Posted by Vex_id, Sat Jan-12-19 02:08 PM
pretty sure the answer is clear.

I remember a lot of people being upset that this team was being "thwarted" by LeBron. Thwarted from what? 10th seed in the West?

Magic and RP have done a great job of putting together this team - but without LeBron they are very ordinary.

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2684288, Who was asking that question?
Posted by LA2Philly, Sat Jan-12-19 03:16 PM
Your slant has been obvious in this post but what non-idiotic Laker fan (Kobestans are included in the idiot group) was saying we don't need Lebron?

If we kept the same team as last season, they would have been a 42-45 win team if healthy, but with Lebron we were on pace for 50+ in his first season and steadily improving.

Obviously the team benefits greatly from Lebron, specifically on the offensive end, and the team's defensive rating without him (now 3rd in the league since his injury) will only get better as he steps into 4th and 5th gear.

I don't see what the need is to create strawman arguments to try and prop up Lebron. His greatness is self-evident to those who actually view the game through an objective lens.
2684298, not to mention the over-simplistic "logic" that...
Posted by cgonz00cc, Sat Jan-12-19 04:38 PM
playing with Lebron for 3 months, then missing him, is somehow an adequate representation of what the team would be with an entirely different system of organization had he not come at all
2684314, RE: not to mention the over-simplistic "logic" that...
Posted by Vex_id, Sat Jan-12-19 06:48 PM
>playing with Lebron for 3 months, then missing him, is
>somehow an adequate representation of what the team would be
>with an entirely different system of organization had he not
>come at all

"entirely diff. system of organization had he not come at all" -- you mean like what happened last year when they won 35 games?

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2684337, oh i forgot, no one ages AND that money doesnt get spent elsewhere
Posted by cgonz00cc, Sat Jan-12-19 10:33 PM
my bad
2684313, plenty people - both here and bloggers in L.A.
Posted by Vex_id, Sat Jan-12-19 06:47 PM
>
>If we kept the same team as last season, they would have been
>a 42-45 win team if healthy

That's optimistic and not based on any evidence. They are 3-6 w out LeBron right now and the schedule hasn't exactly been super difficult. I'd say they're closer to a 38 win team w/ out LeBron.

but we agree: this teams needs LeBron to be relevant.


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2684324, Julius Randle is good
Posted by DJR, Sat Jan-12-19 08:34 PM
Outlook seemed to be competing for .500.

It was a promising young team showing improvement.....LeBron wouldn’t have signed if it wasn’t.
2684369, RE: Julius Randle is good
Posted by Vex_id, Sun Jan-13-19 10:42 AM
>Outlook seemed to be competing for .500.
>
>It was a promising young team showing improvement.....LeBron
>wouldn’t have signed if it wasn’t.

I agree. Lakers do have a promising young core - but that does have to translate on the floor and convert into W's - and the Lakers are trying to balance being patient w/ the young core to being able to compete now with LeBron's 3/4-year window. Not easy to accomplish.

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2684357, No need for simplistic, selective context or trying to prop Lebron
Posted by LA2Philly, Sun Jan-13-19 12:14 AM
Both are silly and unnecessary
2684370, that's for sure - Bron doesn't need anything to prop him up
Posted by Vex_id, Sun Jan-13-19 10:43 AM
but your subliminal jabs and Kobestan citizenship are leaking all over these boards.


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2684373, The sensitivity & empty platitudes have arrived, like clockwork
Posted by LA2Philly, Sun Jan-13-19 11:36 AM
And there goes all chances of actually having an honest conversation.
2684459, Bro I'm done arguing with these fucking parasites..
Posted by LegacyNS, Sun Jan-13-19 09:50 PM
The same dudes was shitting on the Lakers a decade ago. I don't recall them being at any parades in the past.. to hell with these team hoppin, bandwagon ass leeches... they have ZERO ownership or credibility in Lakerland...

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2684460, Coaching staff looks fed up with these listless young dudes
Posted by Beezo, Sun Jan-13-19 10:04 PM
2684466, Lol. They just lost to the worst team in the league.
Posted by Beezo, Sun Jan-13-19 11:56 PM
Damn shame
2684468, which so happens to be the team LeBron left.
Posted by Dr Claw, Mon Jan-14-19 12:08 AM
so, allow me to LOL it up here
2684469, Laugh that shit up. Looks like Bron was sippin an adult beverage again.
Posted by Beezo, Mon Jan-14-19 12:22 AM
>so, allow me to LOL it up here
2684483, LOL
Posted by Vex_id, Mon Jan-14-19 09:32 AM

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2684467, Not when we're giving his fucking charity signing three 3's in three minutes
Posted by Cold Truth, Sun Jan-13-19 11:58 PM
At the end of a tight game. Had he hit ONE this shit would be tied right now.
2684473, KCP had an off game tonight, he's been very good though
Posted by LA2Philly, Mon Jan-14-19 02:00 AM
The real problem right now offensively is JHart....17% on his last 35 three's, 37.2 TS% over the last month. Kuz, Zo, and BI played relatively well tonight but got no help from those around them. Javale is also clearly tired due to a higher minute load than he's used to plus the respiratory infection that killed his conditioning plus he already has asthma to boot...then you add in Chandler's back acting up....plenty of blame to go around.

The offensive without Lebron - namely the three point shooting and FT shooting - are just fucking abysmal. 29th in the league on wide open looks, 19th on open looks, dead last on catch and shoot threes, dead last in FT's. Defensive rating has been top three but my goodness, the offensive reating is now dead last by a significant margin.
2684484, yikes! It's getting ugly. 3-7 w/ out Bron
Posted by Vex_id, Mon Jan-14-19 09:33 AM
and losing to some really bad teams *at home*

Not like this.

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2684486, woof.
Posted by BrooklynWHAT, Mon Jan-14-19 09:48 AM
2684504, Man.....
Posted by murph71, Mon Jan-14-19 11:42 AM


Like I said on Twitter....The wild part about how laughable the Lakers have been without James is that the lineup is largely the same team constructed before dude signed on (sans added vets). Magic and crew overvalued their young talent and missed out on potential trades.
2684505, Randles a pretty big piece, but sure.
Posted by Ryan M, Mon Jan-14-19 11:52 AM
2684861, no reason to trade the young talent....
Posted by Warren Coolidge, Fri Jan-18-19 12:30 AM
players who are 20, 21, 22 can be inconsistent some times but we playing the long game here..
2684870, Kuz is a good player. Lonzo is showing signs of being a good player
Posted by Rjcc, Fri Jan-18-19 04:12 AM
I'm out on Ingram as a meaningful starter, at least any time soon.

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at
2684872, >I'm out on Ingram as a meaningful Laker
Posted by Creole, Fri Jan-18-19 08:11 AM
>I'm out on Ingram as a meaningful starter, at least any time
>soon.

Three years in and w/o Lebron around right now and he still ain't showed any signs, to me, of becoming a legit #1 or #2 option to carry a team.

As mentioned above, Magic overvalued the young players and didn't make trades that could have really benefited the organization for now and the future.

Not saying that dude's a bum at all but he ain't that dog we hoped he would have become by now.
2684937, Sure he aint that dog but he & Zo are elite defenders
Posted by LA2Philly, Fri Jan-18-19 03:17 PM
BI has, by far, the best defensive rating on the team. We don't need him to be that dog but he can be a devastating scorer off the ball (backed up by his PPP off the ball #'s). The key for him offensively will be confidence in and quantity of his 3-pt shooting.
2684946, Not shunning his defensive presence at all.
Posted by Creole, Fri Jan-18-19 04:10 PM
>BI has, by far, the best defensive rating on the team. We
>don't need him to be that dog but he can be a devastating
>scorer off the ball (backed up by his PPP off the ball #'s).
>The key for him offensively will be confidence in and quantity
>of his 3-pt shooting.

Magic and Rob kept him around because they believe he can be an All-Star. I don't see that out of him right now.

Mainly, I'm still thinking of the day when Lebron rolls out. Dude is, despite still playing at a great and high level, on the downside of his career. I was at the game, in ATL, when Kobe "badly" injured his left ankle. For him, it seemed to be all downhill after that. A month later, he ruptured that left Achilles.

All that to say, I just hope that smart decisions are made to keep the team in must-watch contending status for years to come.
2684858, Terrible foul by Lonzo, terrible last play call by Luke. Ugh
Posted by Ryan M, Fri Jan-18-19 12:09 AM
2684866, Keep playing, keep grinding, keep learning
Posted by LA2Philly, Fri Jan-18-19 01:42 AM
Best team W of the year. Everyone contributed. The struggle makes you stronger.
2684869, Kuz.
Posted by CyrenYoung, Fri Jan-18-19 02:31 AM

*skatin' the rings of saturn*


..and miles to go before i sleep...
2684874, Most impressive win of the year IMO -- now 5-7 w/ out Bron
Posted by Vex_id, Fri Jan-18-19 09:08 AM
This team is showing real resolve in going into a very hostile territory without their leader, and gutting out a gritty win.

Really needed it going into a very tough scheduling stretch over the next few weeks.

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2684878, first 6 games without Bron 1-5, last 6 games without Bron 4-2...
Posted by ThaTruth, Fri Jan-18-19 09:30 AM
these guys are super young, that majority of our core is 21-23 years old, they're still learning how to play NBA basketball
2684881, easily could be 6-6 w/ out Bron right now (meltdown at Sac)
Posted by Vex_id, Fri Jan-18-19 09:45 AM
If they didn't have the unsightly losses to Cleveland & New York at home - it'd be a very different vibe right now.
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2684882, yep...
Posted by ThaTruth, Fri Jan-18-19 09:54 AM
>If they didn't have the unsightly losses to Cleveland & New
>York at home - it'd be a very different vibe right now.
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2684889, like most things the results of the adjustments don't happen instantaneously
Posted by LegacyNS, Fri Jan-18-19 10:21 AM



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2684887, Well they made up for nearly blowing that one.
Posted by Ryan M, Fri Jan-18-19 10:14 AM
Excellent recovery by Lonzo. BI with great D and career high assists. Zu with a career game. Kuuuuuuz of course. And Josh Hart winning every 50-50 ball. Great win out of what could have been a terrible loss
2684888, Zubac is balling.
Posted by tariqhu, Fri Jan-18-19 10:15 AM
I'm glad he's getting some time. he making the most of it.
2684890, He goes on spurts offensively where he's unstoppable
Posted by Vex_id, Fri Jan-18-19 10:24 AM
His chemistry with Bron off the pick and roll is crazy. I actually think you could make the case for starting him (his productivity early has been exceptional when he starts).

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2684897, if he's gonna give you 20+ and 10+,
Posted by tariqhu, Fri Jan-18-19 11:13 AM
it'll be hard not to start him. but I'm cool with them rotating the centers at this point.

I think I'm most impressed with his hands. he never misses a pass. he can also shoot it with both with a good soft touch once it leaves his hands.
2684891, ZuPac is the fucking man. I'm glad he's rebounded this year
Posted by BrooklynWHAT, Fri Jan-18-19 10:57 AM
idk wtf he was on last year.
2684895, didn't seem like he got many chances
Posted by tariqhu, Fri Jan-18-19 11:10 AM
last year.
2684898, he always had offensive game he needed to work on his defense
Posted by ThaTruth, Fri Jan-18-19 11:31 AM

2684909, true
Posted by tariqhu, Fri Jan-18-19 11:58 AM
2684949, Also sounds like McGee and Chandler have been mentors...
Posted by wallysmith, Fri Jan-18-19 04:22 PM
Love to see that vet+youngins relationship up and down the roster
2684951, I'm glad to see that too.
Posted by tariqhu, Fri Jan-18-19 04:41 PM
I was worried that Zu would get buried once Chandler got there.

McGee has also been a good surprise on the offensive side.
2684934, He picked up an injury over the summer which stalled him
Posted by LA2Philly, Fri Jan-18-19 03:13 PM
He wasn't able to get into good shape which snowballed into his game and everything else
2684935, He deserves it, dude put in a ton of work
Posted by LA2Philly, Fri Jan-18-19 03:15 PM
Physically, his conditioning & strength is much better which not only means he's stronger in the paint and can move better laterally but it also bleeds into better decision-making as well.

That being said, the biggest improvement is his reading of the game. He really understands how to set screens and then open up passing lanes by dropping into the pocket. Defensively, he's anticipating which gives him an extra split second to recover and protect the paint.
2684963, it shows.
Posted by tariqhu, Fri Jan-18-19 07:36 PM
he's in the right spots at the right times a lot more now.
2685029, Solid first half, some of Walton’s rotations are still head-scratchers...
Posted by ThaTruth, Sat Jan-19-19 09:42 PM
why that foreign dude from Kansas sees the floor I have no idea, he is not good at anything.

They’re making Harden work, Kuz is Kuzing.
2685030, PJ Tucker is like a fullback on those moving screens
Posted by ThaTruth, Sat Jan-19-19 10:12 PM
2685031, We got bailed out on that call but
Posted by Ryan M, Sat Jan-19-19 10:55 PM
We were probably gonna win anyway
2685033, Way to jinx, dummy.
Posted by Ryan M, Sat Jan-19-19 11:05 PM
2685032, Ugh. Not the place I’d like to be.
Posted by Ryan M, Sat Jan-19-19 10:58 PM
Let Zu shoot those FTs!

Edit- Nailed it
2685045, Tough way to lose but so much resilience
Posted by LA2Philly, Sun Jan-20-19 02:06 PM
Lonzo goes down, Houston on a big run, a bank 3 and double-pump leaner 3 to force OT, down six in OT....responded every single time. That's the type of fight you look for
2685078, https://twitter.com/TheHoopCentral/status/1087129266376994816
Posted by Dstl1, Sun Jan-20-19 06:30 PM
https://twitter.com/TheHoopCentral/status/1087129266376994816
2685081, Wow
Posted by ThaTruth, Sun Jan-20-19 06:33 PM
2685082, shit!
Posted by tariqhu, Sun Jan-20-19 06:34 PM
he and the team were figuring this thing out with bron away. dammit.
2685210, this really blows
Posted by Dr Claw, Sun Jan-20-19 11:59 PM
but it's an opportunity for BI to show us what he's made of

2685218, Tattoos... I'm pretty sure he's only made of tattoos
Posted by TheRealBillyOcean, Mon Jan-21-19 05:53 AM
2685229, Nobody need that 9/5 on trash shooting splits. POINT BI TIME!!!
Posted by Basaglia, Mon Jan-21-19 09:49 AM
2685279, Yes. It’s good to finally get an elite shooter at PG.
Posted by Ryan M, Mon Jan-21-19 06:02 PM
2685244, We got lucky, his sprain seems to be lower end of grade 3
Posted by LA2Philly, Mon Jan-21-19 01:34 PM
If it was a complete rupture, he’d be done for the season. Sucks regardless but with Rondo & Bron on the horizon, the team can keep moving forward until he gets back.
2685298, Klay out there going absolutely crazy
Posted by Beezo, Tue Jan-22-19 12:18 AM
2685299, this shit dont count lol
Posted by BrooklynWHAT, Tue Jan-22-19 12:22 AM
2685300, Man.. that shooting percentage is impressive even in an empty gym.
Posted by Beezo, Tue Jan-22-19 12:27 AM
Later for the game or whatever you want to call this.
2685330, pretty much
Posted by Dr Claw, Tue Jan-22-19 10:45 AM
no LeBron, no Rondo, no Zo.

was surprised it wasn't even more of a blowout with PBS Logo Face doing what he was doing.

Lakers still 1-1 with those jabronis
2685332, Can the return of Coach Rondo turn this around?
Posted by TheRealBillyOcean, Tue Jan-22-19 10:57 AM
Scrap together the pieces of this roster and lead them to wins?

I think so. Depends on how much buy in he gets from the rest of the group.
2685547, Rondo needs help!!
Posted by Beezo, Fri Jan-25-19 12:50 AM
2685939, My goodness
Posted by Beezo, Tue Jan-29-19 11:09 PM
2685940, This shouldn’t be a surprise.
Posted by Ryan M, Wed Jan-30-19 12:08 AM
2685963, When Zo breaks 15 with 8 assists, Laker fans be cysed
Posted by Basaglia, Wed Jan-30-19 11:06 AM

i'm just noting the difference
2685975, The team fell apart after Bron got injured.
Posted by Vex_id, Wed Jan-30-19 12:09 PM
But help is on the way. Even if it isn't - Bron will impact this team w/ his signature #LandSlide effect, and they'll be right back in the mix come May.

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2685978, Huge props to BI for last night's game
Posted by LA2Philly, Wed Jan-30-19 01:06 PM
It's a rare skill to stay focused and locked in when there's a lot of noise swirling around, especially for a 21 year old.
2685992, 16/20, too.
Posted by Vex_id, Wed Jan-30-19 01:58 PM
crazy game. Dude shut a lot of people up yesterday.

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2685980, My hope was .500 when LeBron got back
Posted by LA2Philly, Wed Jan-30-19 01:08 PM
If he plays vs the Clips, we'll be 1 over and having missed far more games than the team let on. I'll take it. Hopefully the rest for Kuz has been enough to sort out the hip (JHart will need some time off next) so we can get back to winning basketball & pointed back towards where we want to be.
2686067, welp... Rondo is back, right?
Posted by Dr Claw, Thu Jan-31-19 02:51 PM
2686171, Kang back against the Clips.
Posted by Vex_id, Thu Jan-31-19 10:42 PM

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