Training camp is in full swing. Practices with the Jets coming up.

How we lookin' this season? We got a new QB, a new RB...what else is looking promising?

Let's talk about it this season.

HTTR

I don't know how to feel about this season. No Kirk. Outside of the trade, no other real drama. I should feel relief. But I am ambivalent. Gruden is still there and I'm not all the way confident in the new defensive coordinator.

and then it's usually goes the way i expect it to, mediocre at best. this year is no different Haha.

Areas of concern: O-line depth, secondary, and pass catcher health (is Josh Doctson a bust yet?)

But that D-line has potential to be truly special, Derrius Guice is destined to be a star, and I personally think Alex Smith is a little better than Cousins (probably a cooler dude around the locker room at least)

Does more talent equal more wins when your coach is Jay Gruden? Probably not. Ceiling is probably 9-7. Especially when you consider how brutal this schedule is. But I think they’ll be a more competitive team on both sides of the ball and a little more fun to watch. They should be able to move the ball.

Kurt was great at moving the ball up the field, hopefully Smith will make some damn touchdowns happen and not shit the bed in the red zone like the overpaid purple wonder.

but it's still Jay Gruden, so the playcalling will likely be terrible when it matters the most.

Because he’s finally got a stud running back and a totally capable quarterback. Conversely, pass catchers are iffy. So if there isn’t a lot of play action/bootlegs and he’s still so pass-happy and Guice isn’t getting double digit touches every game he’s gonna hear it.

I liked him as the QB, but damn is he a tool

>(probably a cooler dude
>around the locker room at least)

Has been very 'middle of the road' his first 4 years time to make something happen. We have the personnel on offense to make some noise. Guice, Smith, Reed (healthy) and Doctson (healthy) is pretty good. However, the secondary scares me though.

...except the secondary. Really worried about that.

Actually I think our pass catchers are sorta iffy too. I really like Doctson, but he's gotta be consistent. Reed's gotta stay healthy.

Look like Rob Kelley is on thin ice as the starter at tailback. I really hope that Guice is as good as advertised.

Really looking forward to seeing this D-Line in action. Looks like they are deep and talented. Our front 7 should be super solid. Just gotta hold up against the run.
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"To Each His Reach"

but.....

Fuck aliens.

Why all of a sudden would Reed's body finally decide to hold up? It won't. Its really a shame too because he is a fantastic player, but he does nobody any good hurt on the sidelines.

Gruden really likes Fat Rob. Guice and Kelly would be a nice one-two punch.

i like guice and smith, not sure about anything else.

I know how this story will end (no playoffs), and yet the amount of talent in the front 7, the running back, and the QB have me pretty enthused as much as I hate to admit

i know he said he's ok. i guess we'll find out what the MRI says.

i didn't see much of any of the game. i can't get hype for pre-season, and i'm not gonna hog the tv for an ultimate meaningless game. i'll save my tv hogging for the regular season so as not to piss everyone off for an extra month before things get started.

but how'd we look? who showed something worth talking about?

He’s adamant he’s ok and he walked off fine and was upright sturdy on the sideline. I think he’d play through in a meaningful game.

He looked great in the short work he received.

Hell Byron Marshall did too.

I think team keeps as many as four backs:
Guice
Marshall
Kelley
possibly Perine (though my hunch is they keep three and he’s odd man out)

Fucking fuck.


#changethename

Not to say that they were gonna be good anyway. But damn....hard luck out there.

I guess it's fat Rob and Perine again this year....

Heard they got banged up pretty good last season. The priority this year should be health along the trenches.

This bout to be a long season already. I can feel it.

I feel like Gruden's teams are always a little bit talented but unprepared and injured a whole lot. What is up with these injuries? I can't remember the last time Washington had a relatively healthy team.

I've wanted Gruden gone for the longest just because of the lack of discipline this team displays.

i sure hope they play well, lord knows we need better a better secondary.

Didn't even know we had Orlando Scandrick. Totally forgot that we didn't resign TP, but didn't really pay enough attention to them last season since I couldn't catch many games.

and TP was hot gahbage last year. stone hands, couldn't catch shit. glad to be rid of him.

I've really let my knowledge go.

Part sick of the owner.
Part sitting out most of last season with my man Kap.
Part who really gives a shit while the current ownership/coaching staff is in place.

But I'm gonna tune in a wee more this year.
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"To Each His Reach"

but.....

Fuck aliens.

I think I tuned into one game and Crowder was the most productive. Him and Vernon Davis.

Said the reason why he was let go was because they didn't like his outspokeness

https://twitter.com/JPFinlayNBCS/status/1029360181677830144

Hmmm.....*raised eyebrow*

.

wait til the end.
https://twitter.com/MitchBrownTV3/status/1029375976109735937

Anyway, glad to see him gone. He couldn't catch shit.

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oh wow, i just looked that up. i didn't must have missed that news.

cut them all and find a better RB

i guess we'll see what happens.

He needs lots of carries and a running start to be most effective. And he don't catch. Not a Gruden type of back at all.

He's done.

.

This shakes up our already shaky backfield a little bit.

I don't see Gruden using him that much though.

HTTWFT

Well this is off to a wonderful start 🙄

Haha

when Jordan Reed is healthy...what in the world are you supposed to do with that?

Bruh staaay on that good ___ "I won't mention it"

Can't tell if Washington is actually decent (3rd Quarter was pretty sloppy) or Arizona just blows. Bradford certainly sucks...

it had to be said.

But seriously, while the Skins did Kirk a lil dirty over the years, you can see why they signed Smith. The team looked good--the only question is are they really good or is Ari just that bad...we shall see.

Can Chris Thompson, AP, and Reed ALL stay healthy? Seems far fetched

But man this offense has some potential

The chances of having all of them, or perhaps any of them, throughout the season are pretty slim.

I truly didn't expect this. Some of the worst Cardinal football since the Sun Devl Stadium era. Chris Thompson did absolute work. Props and salutations.

but at least they drafted a QB

He makes his reads, tries to move the defense with his eyes, and he throws, dumps or runs in short order. Refreshing to see actually.
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"To Each His Reach"

but.....

Fuck aliens.

Let's go!

Either Alex didn’t want to throw anything deeper than 9 yards, or there weren’t available opportunities. What a trash offensive showing. And, I fear we saw the real Adrian Peterson today. A very winnable game that we never once looked eager to go win.

Proud of Skins fans today tho. Stadium looked half full, and those that were there looked to be half Colts fans. Way to make Snyder earn your money. Stay home until the team is legit. Next week we have the Packers, it’s gonna look like Lambeau East in there. GOOD.

And we're the mediocre team that we are expected to be. Last week was a fluke.

Chris Thompson definitely did. As our leading receiver 😒

>Alex didn’t want to throw anything deeper than 9 yards,

Best dude on that squad after Crowder (who is a dyed in the wool slot dude who couldn't even step up to being a #2 flanker) is rb Chris Thompson.

I'm rooting for Doctson, but he's gotta step up, and so far Richardson has been a pretty trash pickup who can't get separation.
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"To Each His Reach"

but.....

Fuck aliens.

the RB can do it, but not the WRs? wtf

First he was hurt. Then I figured give him a year to acclimate himself.

No excuses this year.

I guess they see what we do with the WRs.

wtf?

Second time they beat Green Bay in the last 3 years? Go figure

AP looked real good too.

Not sure the early bye will do us any favors as the season goes on. Gonna be a long time with no break.

Jay Gruden a mess yo. Every primetime performance is basically a fail. What do they do in the bye week?

Everything is a mess. They clearly didn't take that extra time to prepare, good gracious.

My nephew and brother in law were at the game. They got to witness history, but they surely didn't get to watch the skins play. I don't even know what you would call that shit, but it wasn't playing football.

It's a .500 club. It is what it is.

(90% Allen & Snyder's fault)

>It's a .500 club. It is what it is.
>
>(90% Allen & Snyder's fault)



i'm certainly not surprised. maybe a little disappointed, but we are who we thought we were (c) dennis green paraphrased.

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4 were .500

Only 4 were above 8-8 (not counting the tie in 2016).

Never better than 10-6, but frequently significantly worse than .500

The lows are much lower than the highs, as it were.

The only constant is Snyder.

Everyone else is trash this year.

- The OL doesn't look like they're able to hold up against the blitz. Simple shit and they're blowing line calls in the redzone down by 7 to the team that scores everytime they get the ball. Not good

- AP can still eat, but that dislocated shoulder will become an issue, whether its dropped swing passes to keep good down and distance, or fumbling issues later in the year. It'll show up somewhere.

- Jordan Reed

- Ryan Kerrigan

- Josh Norman

Who are these kats that ALex is throwing to? I'm not even upset with them, because they make some catches they're not supposed to.

- The things that people complain about Alex with were on display on MNF. Middle of the game and middle of the field inaccuracy. Where you can either stay in the game or get lapped, and we saw what happened against one of the most accurate QB's of all time.

- I think we can all agree its time for the Gruden experiment to end. It hasn't worked and I doubt that it will.

I still wish he was OC not HC.

But IMO, Gruden is fine (not great - but fine) and no one will improve on his job until there's a decent GM in place (so... never?)

Still think he's out after this season.


I wish we could fire the owner.

Gruden is nothing without pretty exceptional talent as with most coaches.

My issue is the lack of discipline the team displays year to year. Gruden's lack of flexibility to the gameplan also hurts the team immensely. His schemes work when there is talent but there isn't always that available.

was just thinking this driving into the office this morning:

2015 top 4 picks
Scherff (good)
Preston Smith (near-bust, 2nd rd edge rusher who never gets home)
Matt Jones (total bust)
Jamison Crowder (good)

2016 top 4 picks
Josh Doctson (total bust)
Sua Cravens (total bust)
Kendall Fuller (good, traded)
Matt Ioannidis (good)


man, in the top four rounds two years in a row, not a single player was special. I know Gruden isn't any great shakes, but two years like that in a row will leave you in a holding pattern too. Some "good" guys, but not one transformative talent in the bunch.

Did the guy deserve to have his name dragged through the mud? Of course not. But he's not the wizard everyone thought he was.

Scherff is one of the best guards in the league. Or at least was last year.

Crowder is one of the better slot guys in the league.

Kendall Fuller is a good young player at a crucial position and he makes the Alex Smith trade an idiotic decision.

A handful of his late round picks are still in the league. And Kyshoen Jarrett looked ok until his career got ended on an injury.

I don't know what the hell happened with Cravens. He looked good until Bruce Allen started his typical soap opera bullshit.

Doctson appears to be a bust. Matt Jones is replacement level. Preston Smith is replacement level.

I'd say above average drafting. 1-2 good starters per year is fine.

And you have to give him partial credit for 2017. He was fired one month before the draft. There's no way the team didn't use all of his research and strategy.



> was just thinking this driving into the office this
>morning:
>
>2015 top 4 picks
>Scherff (good)
>Preston Smith (near-bust, 2nd rd edge rusher who never gets
>home)
>Matt Jones (total bust)
>Jamison Crowder (good)
>
>2016 top 4 picks
>Josh Doctson (total bust)
>Sua Cravens (total bust)
>Kendall Fuller (good, traded)
>Matt Ioannidis (good)
>
>
>man, in the top four rounds two years in a row, not a single
>player was special. I know Gruden isn't any great shakes, but
>two years like that in a row will leave you in a holding
>pattern too. Some "good" guys, but not one transformative
>talent in the bunch.
>
>Did the guy deserve to have his name dragged through the mud?
>Of course not. But he's not the wizard everyone thought he
>was.
>

for GMs.

He very well could have ended up being like EG down the line. But having somebody competent at their job was the biggest first step Washington could have taken. Unfortunately we took two steps back in firing him.

Nice start!!

Good win, way too fight through for the win. Awesome first half, we gotta sustain that through the second half. O line looked gassed toward the end,they were all over Alex Smith. AP did his thing today. Vernon Davis continued to prove that he was a great pickup and shit, even Doctson caught some balls.

Wouldn't be a skins game without anxiety at the end, though. HTTR.

This team is not that talented on either side of the ball.

Thank the good lord for AD though. He still be breaking out them good chunk runs. Hope Guice is healthy enough next season to do the same.

Josh Norman did his thing.

And in the first half everyone was playing well, even with some of our talent out.

Carolina adjusted and got better, Washington didn't adjust to counter. Been a problem forever. Thankfully we pulled through at the end.

Well holy shit, I thought we were gonna give another one away.

HTTR

Only person worse than Alex Smith today was Jason Garrett.

Can you imagine if they hadn’t gotten Adrian Peterson? We’d be 0-6.

The team would be in the exact same spot with Colt McCoy.

The good? The defense, and front 7 in particular. I really love Allen and Payne man. Hellraisers.

...instead of Alex Smith and Adrian Peterson

I mean, not only for this year but projecting in to the future?
You'd have two first round studs on your D-Line on the cheap, and a quarterback and running back who were both drafted here.

and no, i'm not saying Alex Smith is better than Cousins, but Kurt wasn't worth 30 mil. he acted like a winning qb and he wasn't.

We're crushing Eli.

That turnover in the red zone really sucked.

AP continues to prove that he was a great pickup.

HTTR

I thought he was beyond washed

He's just unbelievable yo.

Investing substantial resources in the D-line is paying dividends. I love watching these three wreak havoc.

The offense is so bad I don’t even feel like talking about it

and throw in Swearinger's beast ass self, Bama is dominating in this defense.

I mean he had a dude running the seam and missed him, BADLY.

Easily 7 more points should have been on the board.

And why is Reed pulling a houdini this season? Him and Smith just have no chemistry?

I'm happy we're 5-2, but damn if it ain't a shaky ass 5-2.
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"To Each His Reach"

but.....

Fuck aliens.

that's more than I can say for all the previous games.

I don't know why he's not producing - if it's the play design or Smith or what.

Roll Tide

just glad we didn't go for a deep threat WR. that would be utterly pointless with a qb that can't get it very far downfield. improving the secondary is a good thing.

i think Alex is gonna be ok. not great, but ok. we really need the passing game to pick up, and badly. we can't sustain wins relying on AP to do all the work.

and I think there's a very real chance that vulnerability is exposed this Sunday against the Falcons...unless the defense is really this good.

But if a team gets a large enough lead i feel like that's it

back to business as usual this week. the holes were big enough that my 2 year old could have gotten rushing yards. definitely needed more out of the defense, but we gotta get the offense doing better to keep the D off the field more.

we played like the 8-8 team i predicted at the beginning of the season.

honestly, it isn't like I enjoyed watching these guys all that much anyway. Maddeningly boring season

torn pec, torn ACL and an AC joint injury, respectively.

we'll probably squeak out 3 more wins just to make sure we stay squarely mediocre and to mess with the upcoming draft.

Good lord, I swear that guy really needs his eyes checked. There's no way some of the passes should even leave his hand.
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"To Each His Reach"

but.....

Fuck aliens.

i missed this one last week.

well, shit. a game we should have won, but that's not even the story. Alex Smith played a pretty terrible game and topped that off with breaking his leg badly. crap.

i'm not sure we're going to see a huge drop off in offensive production moving forward with Colt. it's not like we were runnin' the score up on anyone as it were.

let's see if we can hold onto the NFC East or are we going to shit the bed per usual?

that's the best we could do?

i know he's just signed as the back-up, but for crying out loud.....

On a short week, with a deep knowledge of the playbook, I actually really like this spot for Colt McCoy. I can’t believe I’m saying this but I think he beats the Cowboys on Thanksgiving.

I think from there it’s gonna be a bumpy ride to 9-7.

and i've always disliked butt fumble. i sure hope he plays well and stays healthy.

Kaepernick's case should be a slam dunk.

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It will be a dumpster fire - or some Todd Collins shit.

Y'all picked up Mark Sanchez fresh off the couch to be Colt's backup. Unbelievable...........

Teams are like literally anybody but Kaep....And Kaep been better than every other signing.

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i hope everyone had a wonderful Thanksgiving despite that very frustrating and poorly officiated game.

just because with a back up QB the stakes were so low.

I enjoyed the game from an entertainment perspective. McCoy wasn't QUITE as terrible as I expected.

Though his INTs were truly awful.

I didn't watch the game. I got nothing. I think I stopped caring after week 5 and they were winning.

Them getting Reuben Foster was just a no.

I didn't think this would happen but I miss Kirk.......

Gruden is still who I thought he was though.....Quite possible his coaching was holding Kirk back a bit. Too much passing. If Kirk had the same run game, team possibly would have had a better record in the past.

Fuck this gotdamn team. I'm still a fan. But fuck em.

When Colt broke his leg too I threw my hands up ala Do the Right Thing. The Reuben Foster shit is just.... Smh.

This is exactly how I feel:

>Fuck this gotdamn team. I'm still a fan. But fuck em.

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Until Danny's gone.

Anyway,

Bruce has his claws into Danny worse than Cerrato ever did. I wonder if it's even on The Danny's radar to fire that incompetent gasbag.

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but also he 100% knew what this franchise is about and what he was getting into.

If you were expecting to be treated with any respect, you'd never go work for Dan Snyder.

you can see no one goes to game

ratings are allegedly way down in the local market

and I doubt they're selling all that much gear


I think in years past when they sucked people still went to games and watched. But now, they're worse than just bad - they've devolved into irrelevancy

revenue sharing will always give you a decent revenue floor

but I do hope he sits in his box every game, fuming in anger at all the empty seats.

>

This organization continues to get it wrong.

https://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/sports/article/21041199/bruce-allen-fails-upward-again


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I do feel bad for the players though. They feel as if they are getting no support when it is not about them at all.

It's been liberating. Nothing will change until the team is sold which could happen because all reports are they're hemorrhaging money.

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No level of failure effects him.