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2642446, Who benefits from the Cavs-Lakers trade the most?
Posted by Vex_id, Wed Dec-31-69 07:00 PM
It's always fascinating to see what the immediate response is to a trade like this juxtaposed with how it actually plays out on the court in the short/long term.

I think this helps the Cavs this season - they had to get bigger, younger, more athletic and IT was playing as bad as anyone could ever imagine he would play - and his presence thwarted K. Love's best season yet in Cleveland.

Lake show must feel they can land a superstar (or two) by clearing up salary space. Imagine if Bron went to L.A. after this lmao

Poll question: Who benefits from the Cavs-Lakers trade the most?

Poll result (19 votes)
Lakers - cleared cap-space to free up room for a superstar (13 votes)Vote
Cavs - get younger/bigger - more athletic (5 votes)Vote
Both teams for different reasons (explain) (1 votes)Vote
boy that Danny Gilbert knows how mismanage (0 votes)Vote
damn IT : ( (0 votes)Vote
Bron still gone (0 votes)Vote

  

2642448, The trade doesn't really solve the Cavs' problems.
Posted by Frank Longo, Thu Feb-08-18 12:49 PM
Assuming that people agree the Cavs' problems are (1) defense and (2) convincing Bron to stay.

Clarkson is a good offensive weapon, but he was one of the Lakers' worst defenders, and the Cavs need defense more than anything. Nance is a pretty good defender and he's a high-motor guy, so he's a nice piece... but the Cavs need more than a nice piece to fix their defensive issues. Getting younger in general is a good idea, but I'm not convinced either of these guys is good enough to convince LeBron to stay.

Meanwhile, the Lakers now have an additional first rounder, which could be around 20-22, and $14 mil more in cap space at season's end. That's an obvious big win for a team looking to stay young but also bring in a star in free agency.

For me, no-brainer that the Lakers win this trade.
2642450, PAUL PIERCE!!!
Posted by legsdiamond, Thu Feb-08-18 12:50 PM
2642452, Good deal for both but who "won" is clear
Posted by LA2Philly, Thu Feb-08-18 12:52 PM
Clear cap space while getting a 1st round pick...and IT has a small cap hold. We met all of our goals while dealing two guys who can def help Cleveland (JC with his scoring ability and Nance with his defensive awareness and effort).


Personally, I'm happiest for IT because this is a dude who was dealing with one of the toughest injuries (hip labral tear) and didn't play ball for 9 months and immediately gets thrown under the microscope on a team that is already unraveling.
2642454, most sensible reply, yet...
Posted by Dstl1, Thu Feb-08-18 12:54 PM
this obviously fucking helps the Cavs.
2642525, if the money is enough to be a W in and of itself, thats one thing
Posted by cgonz00cc, Thu Feb-08-18 01:33 PM
but on its face, Clarkson+Nance for nothing that can help them win a game tomorrow would bug me a little bit.

that pick could end up in the lotto tho. id hope its protected as a Cavs fan...gotta hedge the bet imo.
2642453, Lakers easily. This hardly helps the Cavs lol.
Posted by BrooklynWHAT, Thu Feb-08-18 12:52 PM
2642467, Ok - so you're on record stating that IT & Frye > JC & Nance Jr.
Posted by Vex_id, Thu Feb-08-18 01:03 PM
I think it's lunacy to say that IT & Frye were productive than JC & Nance Jr. will be for this Cavs team. This trade helps the Cavs in their quest to get out of the East and play w/ house money in the Finals - *and* helps them if Bron leaves. You'd clearly rather rebuild with Clarkson & Nance than an (unfortunately) broken IT & Frye.

I feel for IT as he's been through so much - but he just isn't the same guy and won't be for the rest of the year - and his locker room behavior was bewildering.

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2642476, That assumes the Cavs couldn't have used that cap space, though.
Posted by Frank Longo, Thu Feb-08-18 01:06 PM
An extra $14 mil in cap when Thomas and Frye's deal expire this summer could've helped sign the free agent that could've convinced Bron to stay in Cleveland. No clue who it would've been/who Bron would've wanted/if it would've mattered end of the day. But the theory is sound.

I think Clarkson/Nance are the better option for Cleveland only if they're resigned to the fact that Bron is leaving. Cuz I don't think those two are nearly enough to convince Bron to remain.
2642489, You don't play hypothetical future chess w/ Lebron right now
Posted by Vex_id, Thu Feb-08-18 01:11 PM
This move serves one point for Cleveland: Help them win the East this year and get to the Finals (where anything could happen) - and if Bron bounces next year you have some young piece to rebuild identity.

Does this make the Cavs better *right now*? If it does - it's a good move for the Cavs - because they gave up nothing.

Cavs ain't done either.

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2642528, That's fair. I still think it's better for the Lakers.
Posted by Frank Longo, Thu Feb-08-18 01:34 PM
2643585, still?
Posted by Vex_id, Wed Feb-14-18 02:11 PM

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2662427, Still.
Posted by Frank Longo, Sat Jun-09-18 12:18 PM
2662428, we'll see - but can't argue w/ the results. 4th straight Finals
Posted by Vex_id, Sat Jun-09-18 12:25 PM
but that really had little to do w/ the new guys - they underperformed - but it's prob better for Cleveland long-term to have these young guys than it would be to keep a broken wheel IT, and old D. Wade/D. Rose - and an injured/shell of his former self Crowder.

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2642457, both, for the Lakers obviously they get cap space AND a pick...
Posted by ThaTruth, Thu Feb-08-18 12:55 PM
for Cleveland I think it may be addition by subtraction, didn't they win like 17 of 18 right before IT came back with Calderon starting?
2642458, Can't really discuss this trade without focusing on Gilbert
Posted by pretentious username, Thu Feb-08-18 12:56 PM
at this point in time I don't think the trade is bad, but that's cause everything is so fucked for the Cavs they had to do something to salvage it. Gilbert pissed off Bron with not resigning Griffin. Then he caved to Kyrie's trade demands rather than pulling out all the stops to keep him happy... and this is what they (eventually) end up with? You fucked up Comic Sans Man.
2642470, Lebron could've fixed things with Kyrie, he chose not to.
Posted by ThaTruth, Thu Feb-08-18 01:04 PM
2642475, you have no idea what did or didn't happen lol
Posted by Vex_id, Thu Feb-08-18 01:06 PM

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2642477, i doubt it.
Posted by bshelly, Thu Feb-08-18 01:07 PM
kyrie didn't want to be stuck when bron jetted, and he was tired of being jerked around. nothing short of bron signing a long-term deal last summer would have changed kyrie's mind
2642533, unless Kyrie was sick of Cleveland AND LeBron.
Posted by Rjcc, Thu Feb-08-18 01:39 PM

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at
2642472, Gilbert is clearly the real loser.
Posted by Vex_id, Thu Feb-08-18 01:05 PM
at the end of the day he gets Crowder, Clarkson, Nance Jr. and the Brooklyn pick for Kyrie. He did get some young value in return but I think you have to wait it out and see if Kyrie can be coaxed into balling for another go at the title if you're Gilbert. But of course - we're talking about one of the most incompetent owners in sports - so always expect the worst.


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2642459, I think people are sleeping on JC and Hence hete.
Posted by Cold Truth, Thu Feb-08-18 12:57 PM
The Cavs are definitely better now, if for no reason other than IT seemed like a team cancer as soon as he got on the floor. But I think JC and Nance add some much needed energy and youth/athleticism.

I think they're a better addition than the credit they're being given.

That said?

Lakers won this deal long term.

Unless we somehow manage to blow that money on LeGM, who won't beat GS and will likely press us to sign mediocre players from Clutch to placate him while he signs a Mega 1+1 befote bouncing and leaving us fucked with shit contracts.
2642465, Someone sees it
Posted by Dr Claw, Thu Feb-08-18 01:02 PM
>Unless we somehow manage to blow that money on LeGM, who won't
>beat GS and will likely press us to sign mediocre players from
>Clutch to placate him while he signs a Mega 1+1 befote
>bouncing and leaving us fucked with shit contracts.

I wonder if LeBron will charge full LeBron Tax on a team that isn't owned by Dan Gilbert
2642593, lebron won't be calling shots in LA...
Posted by CyrenYoung, Thu Feb-08-18 02:20 PM
..if he signs with the lakers in the offseason, he will certainly be included in the convo about the roster, but there's no way in hell magic & rob will let that dude run wild like (d)ilbert.


*skatin' the rings of saturn*


..and miles to go before i sleep...
2642595, Lebron calling the shots led to the most historic title in NBA history
Posted by Vex_id, Thu Feb-08-18 02:22 PM
Cleveland will be thankful that he did when it's all said & done.

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2642689, lebron helped secure the worst contract in the league...
Posted by CyrenYoung, Thu Feb-08-18 04:48 PM
..yes, they won a title.

cool.

but stop acting like jr smith, tristan thompson, derrick rose, & dwade were sound basketball decisions.

nobody in their right mind will allow that to happen twice.



*skatin' the rings of saturn*


..and miles to go before i sleep...
2642691, LeGm delivered. Gilbert did not. End of discussion
Posted by Vex_id, Thu Feb-08-18 04:50 PM

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2642701, ..LeGM is over, that's about it...
Posted by CyrenYoung, Thu Feb-08-18 05:57 PM
..i don't think the lakers need lebron to rebuild and contend, but i can't knock them for considering that option.

to be honest, i think lebron is targeting SA or Houston.




*skatin' the rings of saturn*


..and miles to go before i sleep...
2642833, LOL...Magic was letting Lavar run wild
Posted by Anonymous, Fri Feb-09-18 03:54 PM
You think Lebron won’t be doing what he wants *if* he goes there?
2643476, lavar is blowhard...
Posted by CyrenYoung, Tue Feb-13-18 11:23 PM
..his mouth is the only thing running wild.

kudos to him for keeping his name in the press, tho.



*skatin' the rings of saturn*


..and miles to go before i sleep...
2642480, I like the move for the Lakers, too.
Posted by Vex_id, Thu Feb-08-18 01:08 PM
I'm big on Zo in the long-run - and I think they had enough backcourt talent to render JC expendable.

>Unless we somehow manage to blow that money on LeGM, who won't
>beat GS

ugh news flash breh: No single player in nba history is getting you passed GS without a mosaic of talent surrounding them.

What if you get LeGOAT 1(a) & PG tho?


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2642514, News flash for you: I'm not an advocate for spending our money in 2018
Posted by Cold Truth, Thu Feb-08-18 01:26 PM
I prefer to roll it over, play the kids we have, and wait to see if our current core develops into a playoff team to a point where it makes sense pull the trigger on a guy in his prime who could put us in contention.

I don't see the point in trying to make quantum leaps at a time when the top is sewed up, particularly when Brawn is the target because h3 brings certain baggage and is very unlikely to yield a title in the process. Even with PG. I don't want either. I'd rather let this group cook.

If titles are REALLY the end all, be all to the Lakers, then we need to be playing a longer game instead of trying to jump ahead before we're ready.

I for one would rather play for the long-term health of this team instead of trying to squeeze in a few playoff appearances.
2642607, to be honest - we really can stop this convo
Posted by Vex_id, Thu Feb-08-18 02:34 PM
Bron ain't going to the Lakers - and we're both happy about that.


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2642462, Lakers. This is the continued Cavs/Lakers Alliance
Posted by Dr Claw, Thu Feb-08-18 01:00 PM
established during the Kyrie years, when Ramon Sessions was traded.

I like Top Gear and Nance Jr. coming to the team, and now the Lakers don't have to worry about what to do w/these players. Nance Jr. will likely be a fan favorite over here immediately. he's from Akron like Bron, played at Revere, dad is a (famous) former Cavalier. We all know this. Top Gear isn't good defensively but he gotta be a better than IT.

I like IT but he was a HORRIBLE fit and not even close to Kyrie. I still hate that fucking trade. It will enrich Boston for years.

also hate that Channing Frye is gone, he was one of my favorite pick ups over this run and a beast off the bench. Which he will continue to be on the Cavs. Now both he and RJ are gone. Glad they both got rings with the Cavs.

Fuckin around trying to do anything and everything to get NyQuil on the Cavs ended up destroying the team and enriching a good 3 others directly and indirectly.

But hell, I ain't mad if one of them is the Lakers.

2642507, JC is a clear upgrade from injured IT.
Posted by Ryan M, Thu Feb-08-18 01:21 PM
Locker room cancer aside, JC is what the Cavs need as a scorer off the bench.

Nance, and I've been saying this since we drafted him, is a perfect 7th man on a contender. I will absolutely miss him.

Shedding Rose and Shump is a win, period.

I think the Cavs won the trade but it's still solid for the Lakers. I also think this sets them up nicely for a post-Lebron future by keeping the Brooklyn pick and getting rid of some toxic contracts.
2642608, On IT being a cancer...
Posted by Stadiq, Thu Feb-08-18 02:34 PM
At what point is the whole ‘Lebron is the definition
of leadership’ going to be at least revisited?

In under a year he couldn’t work things out with
Kyrie AND IT?

And I’m not blaming Bron, but the idea that he
is some kind of transformational leader is
overblown.

He has at least as much baggage as Kobe, etc.

I mean, the Cavs gave up on it what, 15 games in?

From the bum ass teammates he’s brought in, to
the players he ran off or couldn’t reconcile with,
to the coaches he’s ran off, to him always looking
for an easier situation...

At least as much baggage.

2642653, You won't get any disagreements from me on that.
Posted by Ryan M, Thu Feb-08-18 03:47 PM
With that said, IT was clearly unhappy and that added fuel to the fire.
2642664, i'm not a lebron fan
Posted by rl9, Thu Feb-08-18 04:08 PM
>At what point is the whole ‘Lebron is the definition
>of leadership’ going to be at least revisited?
>
>In under a year he couldn’t work things out with
>Kyrie AND IT?
>
>And I’m not blaming Bron, but the idea that he
>is some kind of transformational leader is
>overblown.
>
>He has at least as much baggage as Kobe, etc.
>
>I mean, the Cavs gave up on it what, 15 games in?


but gave up on what? that roster sucked.
might as well get younger and better.
the guys they gave up weren't really contributing anyway. IT not working with Bron is no surprise.

>
>From the bum ass teammates he’s brought in, to
>the players he ran off or couldn’t reconcile with,
>to the coaches he’s ran off, to him always looking
>for an easier situation...
>
>At least as much baggage.

Anyone besides Kyrie? Who clearly wanted to be the no.1 option and that obviously won't work playing next to Bron.

With that said, he is corny as fuck and i'll be happy to see anybody but the cavs come out of the east.
2642700, Sorry. 2016 happened.
Posted by Orbit_Established, Thu Feb-08-18 05:41 PM

2016 is one of the great leadership and contagious positive attitude championships in sports history.

Look at that championship: Notice how the team doesn't
even celebrate 0:00 by themselves -- they all immediately
flow to Lebron. He was that team.

It was pretty surreal, and if you can't see and admit that,
you probably have maxed out credit cards. And so you broke,
behind on payments, and frustrated.
2642709, geez
Posted by Dstl1, Thu Feb-08-18 06:22 PM
.
2642716, kyrie celebrated by his damn self. please.
Posted by Basaglia, Thu Feb-08-18 07:00 PM
2642719, the mythologizing is so ridiculous
Posted by cgonz00cc, Thu Feb-08-18 07:37 PM
2642726, I just re-watched it because of this thread
Posted by DJ Wade-O, Thu Feb-08-18 08:22 PM
Both of you are right. Kyrie celebrated alone and everyone else went over to Lebron. Looking at how things panned out between the two....that moment said a lot. Especially given that Kyrie had just hit that big shot.

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2642727, lol...I did the same thing
Posted by Dstl1, Thu Feb-08-18 08:29 PM
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2642781, And then FaceTimed with Kobe from the locker room #realrecognizereal
Posted by theeraser, Fri Feb-09-18 11:40 AM
2642798, Kobe 2.0 -- more efficient, just as deadly
Posted by Dr Claw, Fri Feb-09-18 12:51 PM
(I hate the Boston trade, I hate the Boston trade, I hate the Boston trade...)
2642531, Cavs add Hill, Hood, Clarkson & Nance Jr.
Posted by Vex_id, Thu Feb-08-18 01:36 PM
and really gave up nothing. I had big expectations for Crowder and like him - but he looked like he had a broken wheel as well.

This is going to really make Cleveland more dynamic, younger, and energetic. Win all around.

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2642566, yeah i kind of agree
Posted by cgonz00cc, Thu Feb-08-18 01:57 PM
i dont think the cap space the Lakers have now is worth all that much.

i thought they were kinda already in good shape via the traditional draft, develop, resign model. either Nance or Randle DID have to go, but i dunno about this way.
2642615, Cavs add Hill, Hood, Clarkson Nance Jr. - amazing isn't it...
Posted by LegacyNS, Thu Feb-08-18 02:48 PM
Like when they got Shump, Mozgov and JR Smith for a bad of used dildos when then Bron came back to CLE and they were struggling around .500... lololololol

WWE ain't got shit on the NBA.. lolololol

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2642600, LeGM
Posted by ShawndmeSlanted, Thu Feb-08-18 02:28 PM
he has good plea cops ready if they dont go far and clear exit. If they do well, he took this new/young team mid-season and turned things around for his City.
2642649, It's kinda wild that L.A. got the cap space they wanted while
Posted by Nodima, Thu Feb-08-18 03:37 PM
giving Bron probably his best chance to do work this spring

that's some jazzy shit.

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2642613, Hood & Hill renders this one moot.
Posted by bignick, Thu Feb-08-18 02:44 PM
JC & Larry scoot down the bench where they should be.
2642625, They trying to save Bron from dat canibus... lolololol
Posted by LegacyNS, Thu Feb-08-18 02:58 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z63cQKWlDgQ

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2642665, IT's agent on situation in LA: “HE IS NOT COMING OFF THE BENCH.”
Posted by ThaTruth, Thu Feb-08-18 04:08 PM
http://uproxx.com/dimemag/isaiah-thomas-lakers-agent-start-bench-buyout-espn-video/
2642674, lulz ok guy
Posted by Ryan M, Thu Feb-08-18 04:32 PM
When Lonzo's back...he certainly is.
2642687, He shouldn't start even if Lonzo isn't back.
Posted by wallysmith, Thu Feb-08-18 04:48 PM
We're paying KCP more and Hart deserves the tick he's been getting.
2642681, RE: IT's agent on situation in LA: “HE IS NOT COMING OFF THE BENCH.”
Posted by murph71, Thu Feb-08-18 04:44 PM

Dude needs a new agent and PR flack....
2642686, right, he should've talked him down off that "back up the Brinks truck"...
Posted by ThaTruth, Thu Feb-08-18 04:48 PM
comment in Boston or he might still be there.
2642711, Keep burning bridges while being hurt and not producing
Posted by DJR, Thu Feb-08-18 06:37 PM
and your little 5’8 ass will be calling Ice Cube for a 3 on 3 roster spot before long.
2642714, IT video tribute...
Posted by Dstl1, Thu Feb-08-18 06:52 PM
https://twitter.com/ITFanAccount/status/961728169685417984
2642722, lmaooo
Posted by Reeq, Thu Feb-08-18 08:08 PM
2642724, bro, the music
Posted by Dstl1, Thu Feb-08-18 08:19 PM
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2642728, lol they should seriously play that during a break at a cavs game.
Posted by Reeq, Thu Feb-08-18 08:31 PM
2642751, actually he is coming off the bench..and if he doesn't like it
Posted by Warren Coolidge, Thu Feb-08-18 11:37 PM
go home for the rest of the season...


it would be foolish for Josh Hart to lose minutes to a guy who's only here for a minute...
2642680, Just looking at our cap space next year...
Posted by Ryan M, Thu Feb-08-18 04:42 PM
We've got:

Deng - 18
Lonzo - 7
Ingram - 5.7
Ennis - 1.6
Kuzma - 1.6
Hart - 1.6
Zubac - 1.5
Bryant - 1.3

And that's it. So we're looking at like 40ish under contract next year, with a projected cap of 109 mil. I'm not entirely sure how Randle's cap hold works, nor what offers he's going to get, but if we stretched Deng at 7/per, that number then jumps up to 78 million in cap space with Lonzo, Ingram, and Kuzma as cost controlled assets for the next 2 years.

There's almost no way that IT and Frye REALLY help the Lakers this year but my guess is that Luke and co saw what they need to out of the young core, and we're projected to win around 30-35 games, which is (sadly) an improvement going back to 2012, which is truly insane. We have the Cavs 1st, along with two 2nd round picks.

I have no clue if Paul George is actually going to sign here, but the financials make a lot of sense. Now to hope one of these dudes is a superstar.
2642715, there are a few things bugging me from the LAL perspective
Posted by cgonz00cc, Thu Feb-08-18 06:54 PM
> Now to hope one of
>these dudes is a superstar.

1) You can do ^that^ while hanging on to Clarkson (good enough to be at least a 3rd guard almost anywhere) and Nance (who a bunch of advanced stats declare to he the best player on the team).

2) Lakers are helping Cleveland drive down the value of the draft pick they got back. I think id have at least asked about the 2020 pick.

3) I realize the LAL have a whole different level of appeal, so there is reasonable justification for planning on FAgency, but the Pistons just acquired a superstar the long way for something pretty close to what the Lakers gave up just for the chance.

i dunno. i must be missing something.

2642717, You're overvaluing Clarkson & Nance.
Posted by bignick, Thu Feb-08-18 07:01 PM

>1) You can do ^that^ while hanging on to Clarkson (good enough
>to be at least a 3rd guard almost anywhere) and Nance (who a
>bunch of advanced stats declare to he the best player on the
>team).

Clarkson isn't a playmaker, can't defend and he's not a 3 point shooter. Nance is a great glue guy, but you can worry about finding that shit AFTER you have your stars in place.

2642721, agreed
Posted by LegacyNS, Thu Feb-08-18 08:07 PM

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2642775, And to be perfectly frank...
Posted by wallysmith, Fri Feb-09-18 10:26 AM
Kuzma made Nance expendable.
2642805, Like, immediately. No BellyNelly, but preseason even.
Posted by bignick, Fri Feb-09-18 01:10 PM
2642802, 100%.
Posted by Frank Longo, Fri Feb-09-18 12:54 PM
>>1) You can do ^that^ while hanging on to Clarkson (good
>enough
>>to be at least a 3rd guard almost anywhere) and Nance (who a
>>bunch of advanced stats declare to he the best player on the
>>team).
>
>Clarkson isn't a playmaker, can't defend and he's not a 3
>point shooter. Nance is a great glue guy, but you can worry
>about finding that shit AFTER you have your stars in place.

2642747, Lakers fans know that you're overrating those two
Posted by Kungset, Thu Feb-08-18 11:19 PM
what the Lakers gave up vs what Detroit did is not close at all
2642750, fair enough
Posted by cgonz00cc, Thu Feb-08-18 11:36 PM
from what im also reading elsewhere im *way* overvaluing clarkson

reaction seems to be that he was actually part of the *price* for nance
2642703, PS - fuck the NBA for blocking the CP3 deal...
Posted by LegacyNS, Thu Feb-08-18 06:09 PM
but LeBron can get an entirely new team @ the trade deadline when his ass was headed for a 2nd Round KO tho...


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2642725, In the goat ass...
Posted by ThaTruth, Thu Feb-08-18 08:20 PM
>but LeBron can get an entirely new team @ the trade deadline
>when his ass was headed for a 2nd Round KO tho...
>
2642741, RE: In the goat ass... <---- LMAO
Posted by Dr Claw, Thu Feb-08-18 10:31 PM
2642720, damn, Magic wild...
Posted by Dstl1, Thu Feb-08-18 08:05 PM
https://twitter.com/taniaganguli/status/961697298290896896
2642748, Lol, it was a great reaction but you gotta see the entire interview
Posted by LA2Philly, Thu Feb-08-18 11:25 PM
Magic always gets his jokes in (his interview today on NBATV where he was joking about how he can’t say any players name was great as well) but then instantly turns to business
2642723, isaiah thomas vs lavar ball. book it.
Posted by Reeq, Thu Feb-08-18 08:13 PM
let isaiah eat into zos minutes when he gets healthy or start complaining about being better than zo and not getting playing time.

2642749, I think it's a win-win...
Posted by Warren Coolidge, Thu Feb-08-18 11:33 PM
hate to see Nance and JC go....but they opportunity to clear cap space...and get a 1st round pick ..at this point is something we couldn't pass by..

JC saves you 25 million over the next 2 seasons.... now we go into next season with more cap space available then any other team.... With a young core of Lonzo....BI.....Kuzma...and now Josh Hart ...

this gives us flexibility over the next 2 years.....and a 1st round pick which even if it's a low first...we've been hitting home runs with low 1st and 2nd round picks recently...

for Cleveland.... Nance and JC...along with their Brooklyn pick...will give them a place to start a rebuild.......


and for us..Isaiah Thomas start trippin....send his ass home..only 30 games left... he's hurt anyway and Josh Hart is showing he's a real player right now...
2642784, Cavs won this trade. Are JC and Larry on bad contracts?
Posted by bentagain, Fri Feb-09-18 12:06 PM
I get it, they're clearing cap space

but that's why they acquired Lopez

I didn't think the $12-13M that JC and Larry cost were big cap hits

?

and they basically got 2 guys back that are shadows of themselves

So the LAL only have rookie deals and Deng's contract next year

Is that really enticing to FAs?

Bron really want to go through building a roster again?

Cavs got 2 guys that are gonna ball

They've been competing for minutes and defined roles this year

They're gonna step in and pick up CLE

While the LAL are going to struggle to stay out of that top 3 protected status

L
2642807, Damn, dude. It's simple. Clarkson is overpaid. Nance is expendable.
Posted by bignick, Fri Feb-09-18 01:16 PM

>I didn't think the $12-13M that JC and Larry cost were big cap
>hits

Clarkson's contract gets them space for 2 max spots. Nance isn't playing ahead of Kuzma and Randle, so peace.


>and they basically got 2 guys back that are shadows of
>themselves

Who the fuck cares?

>So the LAL only have rookie deals and Deng's contract next
>year
>
>Is that really enticing to FAs?

They have 3 guys under rookie deals with all star potential and the max cap space. What else is enticing to a free agent other than joining GS or Houston?


>Bron really want to go through building a roster again?

Don't know. But if wants a gang of cash, we have it.

>Cavs got 2 guys that are gonna ball
Good for them. Who cares? Lakers aren't making the playoffs anyway.


>While the LAL are going to struggle to stay out of that top 3
>protected status
>
>L

No Laker fan with a brain gives a shit about that pick. Again, for you slow people: Zo, Ingram, Kuzma, cap space.
2642812, When did JC turn to dogshit...please let me know
Posted by bentagain, Fri Feb-09-18 01:31 PM
I've watched a guy who was drafted late

work his ass off to even earn a spot in the league

carried the corpse of Kobe Bryant

and then get relegated to bench duty for your coveted rookies

I'm hearing this man be called everything except a child of god

'can't defend'
'ball stopper'
'can't make plays for other'
etc...

^^^I missed that part

IMO, he's gonna fill the 'Rie role that IT3 couldn't very well

He doesn't have the outside shot consistency that 'Rie does

but he'll be doing work with open looks and mismatches playing with Bron

the question was who does this trade benefit

when all you can muster is some possibilities...while the other team got professional basketball players in return

I'm calling that an L

but congrats on your cap space

Who are the coveted FAs in 2018?
PG has hinted that he might stay in OKC with Russ
Bron gon Bron

you miss on those 2 guys...what's left
= you'll be overpaying somebody.

JC is overpaid...from the franchise currently paying KCP $17M = LOL
2642824, he's a solid player, sure
Posted by Kungset, Fri Feb-09-18 02:31 PM
but i would rather have a 1st round pick and a chance at 2 max players instead of Clarkson and Nance, simple as that. especially since we have Hart and Kuzma to fill their roles just fine, who if we're being real i think will be the better players anyway
2642829, The "can't defend" claim is undeniably true, lol.
Posted by Frank Longo, Fri Feb-09-18 03:03 PM

>'can't defend'
>'ball stopper'
>'can't make plays for other'
>etc...
>
>^^^I missed that part

He's not consistently a ball stopper, but he's very inconsistent with his shot selection and, if he's not cooking, he's 100% a guy who can singlehandedly shoot you out of a game. I don't think it's an insult to the guy to say he's a dude who is, best case scenario for a good team, an off-the-bench sparkplug.

>He doesn't have the outside shot consistency that 'Rie does

He's not a good outside shooter. That's also pretty undeniable. He's shot under 33% from 3 for three of his four seasons.

>JC is overpaid...from the franchise currently paying KCP $17M
>= LOL

... you're aware the KCP deal is for only one season, yes? You know how that works?
2662229, Do you know now?
Posted by bignick, Fri Jun-08-18 10:42 PM
2642814, Everyrhing you said on the Lakers end is 100% off the mark.
Posted by Cold Truth, Fri Feb-09-18 01:40 PM
>I get it, they're clearing cap space

.....except this. You should have ended here.

>but that's why they acquired Lopez

Yes, but that didn't get us all the way to where we needed to be.

>I didn't think the $12-13M that JC and Larry cost were big cap
>hits

What you thought and what was true and contextually relevant are clearly two entirely different things.

No, that roughly 15 million cap hit technically wasn't "big", except that the aforementioned deal for Brook didnt give us *enough* for two max slots.....so yeah, that 15 or so coming off the books IS big.

>and they basically got 2 guys back that are shadows of
>themselves

Did you read one article or hear one reporter speak on this as a deal made for talent considerations in the Laker front?

No. Every single person who is remotely paying attention understands that we didn't trade for these two players. We traded for their expiring deals. They may or may not help us win a few games this season but whether they're a help or hindrance in that regard is 100% immaterial because this move was made for cap relief.


>Is that really enticing to FAs?

Dynamic, cost-controlled young roster with plenty of upside and a steadily improving record in Los Angeles?

Yes, that could be enticing for TWO all-stars to sign up. Because that's the entire point, the you seem so intent on ignoring: the potential for two guys I their prime to link upl on a team that will be brimming with supporting support.

Here's another lovely tidbit I'm sure you've overlooked or just plain ignored:

They don't even have to sign someone. They could literally just make a trade an absorb the cap space.

They could, theoretically, package a guy like Kuz to entice someone to take on Deng (Yes, it's been reported that teams were willing to do just that). This, combined with renouncing JYJ, could open up a third max slot.

Our overall situation is light years beyoond where we were the summer we signed LuolzGov.

We turned into the most option-rich, cap-flexible team in the league with this deal. Whether this turns into anything this year or next is another topic, but this is a process and we repositioned ourselves in a major way *just like that*.

It's not hard to look at this without those "fuck the Lakers!" Glasses. Give a try sometime :)
2642820, RE: reply 77
Posted by bentagain, Fri Feb-09-18 02:12 PM
FA 2018 centers on PG and Bron
Not sure what happens with Boogie

outside of that...who is this coveted cap space for?

PG has intimated that he will stay in OKC with Russ
Bron...who the fuck knows where Bron goes...but CLE gets him the most $$$ right...?

If you miss on those 2 guys...what's the plan?

Overpay Deandre?
Take a 2nd shot at CP3?

Dat cloak.

Has nothing to do with hate, it's the entitlement that is nauseating.

We've got cap space and we're the lakers automatically means we get the pick of FAs (c) LakerNation

The team hasn't made the playoffs in 5 years, the worst era of LAL basketball...and you're talking about rebuilding now

LOL and FOH

You don't need to be in a major market to build a brand anymore

...but the weather is awesome...
2642825, alright, we keep Clarkson
Posted by Kungset, Fri Feb-09-18 02:34 PM
where are we at then? same damn place
2642830, You're in a worse place.
Posted by Frank Longo, Fri Feb-09-18 03:04 PM
Because the money has higher potential since you know what Clarkson is, *and* Clarkson helps get you a pick in the high-to-mid 20s in this draft when you previously had none.
2642826, They don’t have to sign anybody this summer
Posted by DJR, Fri Feb-09-18 02:36 PM
They can wait until ‘19. There’s no hurry. The flexibility will still be there.
2642827, There's a floor in the NBA...yes? You have to pay somebody
Posted by bentagain, Fri Feb-09-18 02:42 PM
Maybe KCP will stay around for a year or 2 at $60M per...LOL

SMH...this is the same board that's been clowning the process

FYI, this is year 5 of the LAL's rebuild...just sayin

But since we're making conclusions based on assumptions and possibilities...

...what if CLE wins the chip with JC and Nance, and Bron stays...

is that still a W for the LAL?
2642831, Yes. And you only have to pay them for a year at a time.
Posted by Cold Truth, Fri Feb-09-18 03:22 PM
>Maybe KCP will stay around for a year or 2 at $60M per...LOL

Oh em gee, lulz!!

Yes, we'd have to pay someone something to meet the cap floor. And?

>SMH...this is the same board that's been clowning the process

Tell us more about the price of tea I. China, and how tanking has so much to do with creating cap space while you have a team steadily improving on its prior years win totals.

>FYI, this is year 5 of the LAL's rebuild...just sayin

Yeah, Just sayin, because that's immaterial to where we are *today* with the players and management we have *now*.

>But since we're making conclusions based on assumptions and
>possibilities...

Literally the only conclusion being made is based on actual, inarguable and readily observae facts: were in a better position today then we were before the trade to take advantage of opportunities going forward. Thats it. Thats the "conclusion" you're going so hard at.

>what if CLE wins the chip with JC and Nance, and Bron
>stays...
>
>is that still a W for the LAL?

Yes, because the Lakers regaining financial flexibility was, is and will always be necessary regardless of who may or may not sign.

2642845, You understand what the "penalty" for not hitting the floor is?
Posted by Premiere, Fri Feb-09-18 04:47 PM
It's just paying up to it in cash, not in money on the cap. If the Lakers have nothing on their books next year except cheap rookie deals and value contracts... big fucking deal? If they miss out on all unrestricted free agents, they can sign a RFA to an overpriced deal with all that cap space and take a swing on a Jabari Parker or Clint Capela who could be a star; if that fails and the teams match, they can eat other team's salary next year in the trade market like Detroit just did, except they could do so even better since they have more space and wouldn't necessarily have to send out so much just to make the money equal or near-equal.

The Lakers fans that genuinely expect that PG and Bron are coming are insane, but the idea isn't soooooooo out of left-field. And cap flexibility is key for a team as bad as LA but with the structural advantages they have (top 1 FA destination sans context, tons of young, exciting players who might grow as role players along stars or get dealt for another star). Deal did what it needed to, and Clarkson on that deal is infinitely more useful to the Cavs this year than it would have been for LA ever.
2642828, "What then" Is entirely irrelevant until the time comes.
Posted by Cold Truth, Fri Feb-09-18 02:58 PM
>outside of that...who is this coveted cap space for?

As I said, they don't have to sign someone. They can absorb space from a team looking to move on from a player. There's also rolling over for 2019, at a time when BI, Kuz, Zo and Hart will have almost certainly be a much improved group.

I'm in favor of rolling over for 2019 and forgoing this off-season entirely, and absorbing a deal like DJ for one year.

>Has nothing to do with hate, it's the entitlement that is
>nauseating.

What entitlement? Who here is showing entitlement?

>We've got cap space and we're the lakers automatically means
>we get the pick of FAs (c) LakerNation

Nonsense.
Name one person here who is saying this.
Just one.

No one, that's who.

There are two options here: either *position* yourself for opportunities on the horizon....or sit on your hands and hope what you have will take you somewhere. That's it.

We didn't gut our roster of our best players. We didn't get rid of players who
appear to be vital building blocks. We moved guys who are very good players who fill vital roles for teams who already have their major pieces in place.

Whether or not we're able to make use of that space this year is immaterial to the need to create that space. Rebuilding is a process and in the NBA, cap health is just as vital as good drafting and personal moves, and we're inarguably doing very well on both fronts.

>The team hasn't made the playoffs in 5 years, the worst era of
>LAL basketball...and you're talking about rebuilding now
>
>LOL and FOH

There's no bigger lol or foh-worthy commentary in here then laughing at a team for making moves that create long-term flexibility, particularly on a team that looks set to improve on a prior record that had improved on its prior record.

And yes, we ARE rebuilding now. You do realize we're on pace to beat least years win total by 7-10 games, yes?

It's a process. It takes baby steps, but there's absolutely no sound,logical argument against a team positioning itself to take advantage of potential opportunities if they're not hurting themselves ikn the process.

>You don't need to be in a major market to build a brand
>anymore

Not a single person has said or implied that and you haven't said anything of any substance to illustrate how this was such a bad move for the Lakers, or to illustrate the supposed "entitlemwnt".
2642838, Critical thinking isn’t your strongsuit n/m
Posted by LA2Philly, Fri Feb-09-18 04:14 PM
2643554, 2 in the hand is better than 3 in the bush.
Posted by bentagain, Wed Feb-14-18 12:20 PM
WILD HUNNID!
2642865, Lakers free up cap space for the next superstar free agent..
Posted by SeV, Fri Feb-09-18 08:37 PM
That never comes


____________

Dallas Cavericks LETS GO!!
2643030, Lakers easily because if the cavs stink this up
Posted by mistermaxxx08, Sun Feb-11-18 08:48 PM
Lebron ain't gonna be able to hit the bowling pins reset button and get a whole league to take the likes of George Hill,Rodney Hood(Who can Play) Jordan clarkson and Larry nance Jr off there hands.


lakers are set up nicely in a couple years regardless of this summer.however they must hit pay dirt or this a embarassing move
2643472, cot damn these new boys can play!
Posted by Vex_id, Tue Feb-13-18 10:49 PM

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2643473, ...this hardly helps the cavs (c)
Posted by Dstl1, Tue Feb-13-18 10:53 PM
.
2643475, You’re welcome and thanks for what we got Win-win for both sides
Posted by LA2Philly, Tue Feb-13-18 11:19 PM
2643503, Gonna be sweet seeing these two play in meaningful spring games... .
Posted by wallysmith, Wed Feb-14-18 09:49 AM
... rocking Kobe's numbers
2643504, Does the "GOAT" finally have enough help yet?
Posted by Innocent Criminal, Wed Feb-14-18 09:50 AM
We've been hearing about help for years now, is it enough yet?
2643508, lol
Posted by ThaTruth, Wed Feb-14-18 09:56 AM
2643579, well, let's look at facts: He's played w/ less talent than kobe/steph/KD
Posted by Vex_id, Wed Feb-14-18 01:48 PM
when they won the their titles - all peers who are not (and will never be) as great as Lebron - but have titles while playing for stacked teams that Lebron James has never been on (even that best Miami team didn't feature the talent of a prime kobe/shaq led team or this iteration of GSW).

So - does he have enough help right now to beat GSW?

No. Unless he's herculean like he was in '16 - and that's something Kobe/Steph/Durant could never be. They could never will that '16 Cavs team over that all-time great GSW team.

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2643587, But if Bron is > Kobe/Steph/KD then he doesn't need as much help
Posted by Innocent Criminal, Wed Feb-14-18 02:22 PM
For someone so much greater than everyone that has ever existed he sure seems to need a lot more help than anyone that has ever existed.

PS: I'm talking a lot of shit, I still got Bron top 3-5 ever.
2643591, it is true greatness that needs the most help of all innit.
Posted by BrooklynWHAT, Wed Feb-14-18 02:29 PM
or at least thats what we've been led to believe
2643592, He doesn't - and he's already proven that.
Posted by Vex_id, Wed Feb-14-18 02:31 PM
Look - I understand why people are somewhat fatigued at the "bron needs help" narrative - because he has played on some very good teams - but he's never played on an all-time great team.

Name a Bron team that is talked about like Jordan's Bulls, Kobe/Shaq's Lakers - Pop's Spurs, Magic's Lakers, Bird's Celtics etc...The Heat were a great team - but not an All-Time Great team.

Bron's titles were all earned the hard way - against teams that were favored against him to win - so he was the underdog and still won.

I doubt that even Jordan could've led the '16 Cavs to the title against *that* GSW team.


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2662375, lol
Posted by falafel stand pimpin, Sat Jun-09-18 02:11 AM
2662225, Ridiculous takes. Powerful uppage. Many poster cannot deal.
Posted by bignick, Fri Jun-08-18 10:39 PM
2662381, once again mofos hyped over the shitty ass East....
Posted by LegacyNS, Sat Jun-09-18 06:53 AM
Trade kept CLE afloat instead of a 2nd round KO
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<---- 5....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dlgiritpmfo

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2662416, Damn, these dudes went from 'help' to 'garbage' real quick
Posted by Cenario, Sat Jun-09-18 10:23 AM
2662452, Only Clarkson.
Posted by Dr Claw, Sat Jun-09-18 03:15 PM
That contract is assjuice. He made Dion Waiters look like actual Dwyane Wade.

Not sure what happened from that Celtics game going forward, but I'll leave it there.

Nance is generally a positive. He'll probably pan out to being a decent rotational guy, or my hope -- a proper TT replacement.

the Jazz guys: Hill went Quil. I have faith in Rodney Hood being an actual good player.
2662676, Clarkson was never good though
Posted by ConcreteCharlie, Mon Jun-11-18 02:32 PM
The same way you guys were like ZOMG HARDAWAY JR AND SHUMPERT ARE UNTOUCHABLE or ZOMG THOSE GUYS COULD GET A STAR IN RETURN! that is how Lakers fans were with Clarkson. He is just a guy. Nance helped the Cavs.

I voted red in this poll but it's really green. Cavs needed bodies and athletes. Lakers needed to clear cap space.
2666408, Welpity welp welp.
Posted by bignick, Mon Jul-02-18 01:40 PM
2666456, Dan GiLLLLLLLbert, ladies and gentlemen
Posted by ConcreteCharlie, Mon Jul-02-18 02:36 PM