being like 6-8 seed was their ceiling and it still is. if they miss and get a good pick, whooptydamndoo. you're acting like this is san antonio or cleveland. no win or bust here, no urgency for this season. even if you are applying the kyrie standard (which of course you cried about while wiping your bleeding anus for years on end, ultimately leaving the site), it's premature. neither of their stars has even played a full season of games yet.