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2632651, Explain why you'd waste money on Paul George with BI bout to pop.
Posted by Basaglia, Mon Dec-04-17 10:21 AM


If you want Bron, go after Bron.

But as for them other max slots....LaVine, Smart, Cuz or DJ.

BI will be better than PG this time next year. *shrug*
2632662, I'm with the first line but not the last line
Posted by ConcreteCharlie, Mon Dec-04-17 11:26 AM
2632668, Paul George has had plenty of time to prove he somebody.
Posted by Basaglia, Mon Dec-04-17 11:46 AM

Paul George ain't nobody, man.
2632663, I'd spend that money on Cousins in a heartbeat.
Posted by Frank Longo, Mon Dec-04-17 11:26 AM
Replaces Lopez, shoots the 3 tremendously well which would fit Walton's plans. Would give the Lakers with Ingram/Kuzma/Cousins one of the better frontcourts in the NBA by next year. Outside of his 3-point shooting, there's nothing George provides that Ingram doesn't right now-- and if they signed a different max player that can shoot 3s and some other shooting pieces, then that element is taken care of anyhow.

My suggestion if they get Cousins, which probably won't go over well with some but whatever, would be to maybe look at Chris Paul-- ideally not for a longer deal, maybe a shorter and pricier deal, if he'd be interested-- to come in, help the Lakers win right away with that frontcourt while mentoring Lonzo and putting less pressure on him to need to do everything as a 20-year-old PG.

Or, y'know, just sign Bron to run the point and mentor Lonzo.

But I agree, I don't know why you'd sign George to the max for his 20/6/3 when Ingram is 20 right now and already giving you 16/6/3 at the same position on a rookie deal for the next three years.
2632683, i dont understand the desire for a career loser
Posted by cgonz00cc, Mon Dec-04-17 12:42 PM
2632703, You ever seen Cousins play in person?
Posted by LA2Philly, Mon Dec-04-17 02:51 PM
I flew out to sac last year for 1st away game there...the antics you see on TV are about 1/3 of what you see in person, I felt embarrassed for him.

Do not want him on the team and additionally, we only play a true 5 for approx 20-25 mins per game and never down the stretch of games bc we switch everything defensively.
2632705, Cousins is the most frustrating player to watch in the league
Posted by mrhood75, Mon Dec-04-17 03:03 PM
I almost made a post about it. And that doesn't even factor in any sideline antics (I've never seen him live).

I will keep it simple and say he needs give up trying to shoot the three and stay in the paint. At least in this point of his career.
2632706, Damn.
Posted by Frank Longo, Mon Dec-04-17 03:09 PM
I haven't seen him play in person, I'll leave it there. I've wondered how much of his antics are fueled by the fact that he's been playing with losers his entire professional career-- though that obviously raises questions about maturity in the face of adversity, it's an understandable sentiment for a guy who's clearly worked his ass off to elevate every facet of his game.
2632707, YES it is unreal how childish he is.
Posted by BrooklynWHAT, Mon Dec-04-17 03:18 PM
saw them vs the hornets last year when AD went off. all cousins did was take up ADs space, foul people, whine and bitch at the ref. after that i did not want him on the Lakers ever. that is not a player i could ever root for.
2632719, seconded.
Posted by dula dibiasi, Mon Dec-04-17 03:33 PM
seen him up close (courtside) several times now. i can't imagine having to root for him. dude is awful. lol.
2632711, To bring more life to this post
Posted by Numba_33, Mon Dec-04-17 03:24 PM
>I flew out to sac last year for 1st away game there...the
>antics you see on TV are about 1/3 of what you see in person,
>I felt embarrassed for him.

please expound on this missing 2/3rds you witnessed in person, sir.
2632716, the horror stories about cousins are legendary at this point.
Posted by dula dibiasi, Mon Dec-04-17 03:29 PM
ryen russillo says he's talked to execs from all 30 teams about cousins, and literally 2/3 of them wouldn't want him anywhere near their squad at any cost. like, even at vet-min.

dude's apparently the most unlikeable, easily irritated, biggest locker room cancer imaginable. just a horrible person to be around.

at this point i believe every word of those apocryphal nik stauskas stories (that he basically high-school-bullied dude from day 1 and made his life an absolute living hell every single day for no reason whatsoever)
2632717, Are those written anywhere?
Posted by Frank Longo, Mon Dec-04-17 03:32 PM
>at this point i believe every word of those apocryphal nik
>stauskas stories (that he basically high-school-bullied dude
>from day 1 and made his life an absolute living hell every
>single day for no reason whatsoever)

I knew he threw the odd tantrum but had no idea that it was like *that.*
2632720, not sure. i listen to like every nba podcast tho.
Posted by dula dibiasi, Mon Dec-04-17 03:35 PM
and have heard them several times.

that dude ruined stauskas's career, man. lol. had a grown ass man scared to go to work.


>>at this point i believe every word of those apocryphal nik
>>stauskas stories (that he basically high-school-bullied dude
>>from day 1 and made his life an absolute living hell every
>>single day for no reason whatsoever)
>
>I knew he threw the odd tantrum but had no idea that it was
>like *that.*
2632726, ... at least now I can blame Boogie for my Stauskas agenda flopping.
Posted by Frank Longo, Mon Dec-04-17 03:41 PM
No reason dude shouldn't have been at worst a wet shooting option off the bench.

2632732, yeah man.
Posted by dula dibiasi, Mon Dec-04-17 03:49 PM
apparently he just Did Not Like dude, from jump. for whatever reason. and just physically intimidated and psychologically tortured the cat any and every chance he got. and obviously no reins/accountability from the front office / mgmt out there.

dude just basically ruined a guy who might've helped him win some games.


>No reason dude shouldn't have been at worst a wet shooting
>option off the bench.
2632738, I can't wait for RealBillyOcean to get to this post, btw.
Posted by Frank Longo, Mon Dec-04-17 04:00 PM
lol
2632756, you already know.
Posted by dula dibiasi, Mon Dec-04-17 04:35 PM
at this point we could write the replies ourselves, onion-style.
2632759, Jesus Christ... I've heard it all. Cuz on the Sixers now too huh?
Posted by TheRealBillyOcean, Mon Dec-04-17 04:52 PM
...
2632774, haha. ya mans buddy revelled a nigga, for shits and giggs. hol'at.
Posted by dula dibiasi, Mon Dec-04-17 06:05 PM
2632783, Stauskas is just trash. Boogie ain't got nothing to do with that.
Posted by TheRealBillyOcean, Mon Dec-04-17 06:44 PM
2632793, gotta agree here. stauskus had plenty of time to not be sorry
Posted by Basaglia, Mon Dec-04-17 07:32 PM
2632735, ^^^PLEAS COPPED
Posted by ThaTruth, Mon Dec-04-17 03:55 PM
2632741, Yup - wouldn’t touch him with a 100 foot pole
Posted by LA2Philly, Mon Dec-04-17 04:08 PM
I’ve also heard a bunch of those stories - the Stauskas ones made my blood boil bc it was essentially this clown taking his own insecurities and issues out on another person and ruining their career in the meantime.

When I saw him in person, I literally had to rub my eyes a few times and turn to the friend who I was with to confirm that he was seeing the childish shit that I was seeing...I always want to give people the benefit of the doubt but it was so bad man, it cemented everything I had heard (I also have a significant amount of inside info on this dude and the Kings in general bc I have a close friend who was in the PR department there - now she works for the Cubs - and Boogie’s agent had a thing for her lol...let’s just say I have some stories about Vivek’s daughter lol)
2632749, They are two "ideal" circumstances to bring him in:
Posted by mrhood75, Mon Dec-04-17 04:23 PM
1. You've got Mike Malone as your head coach or are prepared to hire him as you head coach.

2. You're a good team with an established locker room culture and established vocal leaders and a strong veteran presence. And with a coach that everyone respects and listens to.

If you've got a young team still "finding itself," I can't see Cousins working out. At least not this point in his career.
2632754, This Lakers post turned into Boogie Hot Take Time?
Posted by TheRealBillyOcean, Mon Dec-04-17 04:30 PM
2632665, good to know you're still riding with zach.
Posted by dula dibiasi, Mon Dec-04-17 11:29 AM
thought you flung him in the bushes when you left him off that top 10 SG list.
2632697, Ingram ain't better than Kyle Kuzma let alone Paul George lol
Posted by ThaTruth, Mon Dec-04-17 02:19 PM
2632700, ^^^^^^when agendas fold onto themselves. he'd rather his team lose...
Posted by Basaglia, Mon Dec-04-17 02:36 PM
than have a dukie as it's best player.

all kidding aside, kuzma don't have the handle or fluidity to be a star, bruh.
2632702, I don't have anything against Ingram I think he's a solid player but...
Posted by ThaTruth, Mon Dec-04-17 02:45 PM
I don't ever think he'll be a "star" like some other people seem to think.

He has an interesting skill set and measurables but honestly I don't think he wants it bad enough. He doesn't have enough dog in him.
2632718, he don't have no "dog" but you defend lonzo and kuzma? LMAO
Posted by Basaglia, Mon Dec-04-17 03:33 PM
2632734, Lonzo's definitely showed a lack of canine instinct, Kuzma however is a...
Posted by ThaTruth, Mon Dec-04-17 03:53 PM
hound, that's really what separates him from BI, Kuzma plays with a chip on his should like he's got something to prove, BI plays like an entitled #2 overall Dukie who thinks he's already a star and he's not.
2632737, Lol, this takes arm-chair quackery to an entirely new level
Posted by LA2Philly, Mon Dec-04-17 04:00 PM
Sounds like you have a weird Duke insecurity that you’re projecting bc nothing about Brandon’s game screams entitled or anything close to it.
2632758, it don't "sound like"...he does. he and warren detest and fear BI
Posted by Basaglia, Mon Dec-04-17 04:47 PM
they do not want what's coming...the lakers' next superstar. they'd rather it be kuzma, if not lonzo.

but, y'all be tryna act like i'm the crazy one. i know what i see from dudes on this board. they take the whole duke-hating bit way too far and then i have to over-correct.
2632825, yeh, that shit doesn't make any sense to me
Posted by LA2Philly, Mon Dec-04-17 11:21 PM
Cats worried more about agendas than real life...once you're a Laker, I don't give a fuck where you came from.
2632832, nobody is rooting against Ingram, I just don't see him becoming a....
Posted by ThaTruth, Mon Dec-04-17 11:50 PM
"superstar" like some people seem to think lol
2632760, yeah i've watched a ton of lakers this year.
Posted by dula dibiasi, Mon Dec-04-17 04:53 PM
i don't see anything 'entitled' about ingram's game.

just seems to me like a kid who's taking his game reps and working hard to get better.

*shrug*
2632746, Kuzma does have something to prove. He's 22 and got drafted late
Posted by Basaglia, Mon Dec-04-17 04:19 PM

you tripping.
2632751, no shit Sherlock lol...
Posted by ThaTruth, Mon Dec-04-17 04:25 PM
>
>you tripping.
2632767, Kuzma is a chucker. Ingram tries to play within that b.s. offense.
Posted by TheRealBillyOcean, Mon Dec-04-17 05:21 PM
That's the biggest difference.

You don't gotta tell Kuzma twice to shoot.
2632795, Kuzma is a “chucker” thats somehow more efficient across the board...
Posted by ThaTruth, Mon Dec-04-17 07:44 PM
>That's the biggest difference.
>
>You don't gotta tell Kuzma twice to shoot.
2632736, Just pay attention to who says what.
Posted by wallysmith, Mon Dec-04-17 03:58 PM
Maybe then you'd think twice before assuming all Lakers fans have the same positions.
2632769, fair. but, as i've said, if y'all would check them real-time....
Posted by Basaglia, Mon Dec-04-17 05:29 PM
2632704, Bc they aren’t mutually exclusive: both are wings
Posted by LA2Philly, Mon Dec-04-17 03:03 PM
When KCP isn’t in the game, BI is already guarding smaller wings and thus far, he has our highest individual def rating. Additionally, playing them together would fit right into our team defensive system which is predicated on switching, especially down the stretch of games where we switch on everything.

Our plan is to have as many interchangeable pieces as possible so PG fits in extremely well. Additionally, he can shoot and is dynamic offensively which are our biggest needs.
2632776, DJ? Fuck outta here.
Posted by Ryan M, Mon Dec-04-17 06:20 PM
2632778, no use spending extra on Nyquil when you already got Dayquil
Posted by mashpg89, Mon Dec-04-17 06:26 PM
2633005, it's lonzo who's getting shipped out
Posted by bshelly, Wed Dec-06-17 08:24 AM
like bron's putting up with a sorry young player.
2680928, *checks calendar*
Posted by ThaTruth, Tue Dec-04-18 05:28 PM

>BI will be better than PG this time next year. *shrug*
2680932, geez
Posted by Dstl1, Tue Dec-04-18 05:45 PM
.
2680939, and another one (c)
Posted by bentagain, Tue Dec-04-18 06:01 PM
L.
2680946, You got a ln Agenda Google Calendar fam?
Posted by TheRealBillyOcean, Tue Dec-04-18 06:29 PM
I’m impressed
2680947, LOL! That's why I replied, geez...
Posted by Dstl1, Tue Dec-04-18 06:31 PM
I thought I was buggin when I looked at the dates.
2680950, There is no way he didn't set a reminder
Posted by Stadiq, Tue Dec-04-18 06:57 PM

2680951, I mean, probably.
Posted by Ryan M, Tue Dec-04-18 07:02 PM
But imagine fist pumping and getting excited that the best prospect on your team isn't as good as some internet dude said he would be yet.
2680966, Plus it was premeditated
Posted by Stadiq, Tue Dec-04-18 09:56 PM

One year ago today he said to himself “we’ll see about that” then
proceeded to set a reminder in his phone or something.

Fuck it maybe I’m jealous I’m not that dedicated
about much...
2680990, RE: Plus it was premeditated
Posted by ThaTruth, Wed Dec-05-18 10:03 AM
>
>One year ago today he said to himself “we’ll see about
>that” then
>proceeded to set a reminder in his phone or something.
>
>Fuck it maybe I’m jealous I’m not that dedicated
>about much...

actually I was looking back at old Ingram posts a couple of weeks ago and found this and was going to up it then but then I thought it would be more dramatic if I waited until the actual anniversary date and I was right.
2681017, Ha ha ha
Posted by LeroyBumpkin, Wed Dec-05-18 01:34 PM
>
>One year ago today he said to himself “we’ll see about
>that” then
>proceeded to set a reminder in his phone or something.
2680989, RE: I mean, probably.
Posted by ThaTruth, Wed Dec-05-18 10:00 AM
>But imagine fist pumping and getting excited that the best
>prospect on your team isn't as good as some internet dude said
>he would be yet.

No I'm just the only Laker fan here that's a realist since the days when you were wearing Mitch Kuchak pajamas while he was ruining the end of Kobe's career.

Ingram is a solid player but I've never seen the "star" he was supposed to become. When there was talk of potential trades for All-Star players we were constantly told that Ingram was "untouchable". Now he doesn't even really have to be a "star" just be a consistent #2 scoring option and he can't even manage that.

Its funny I believe the "Nyquil" nickname created for George fits Ingram to a T. The ridiculous dust-up against Houston early in the season was the most passion I've seen out of Ingram at any point in his pro career. Most of the time he looks like he's half asleep. He has all the talent and ability but he just doesn't have enough dog in him and that's one of those things that either you have it or you don't.
2680994, Junkyard >>>
Posted by bentagain, Wed Dec-05-18 10:29 AM
Hindsight being 20/20 and all...

LAL would have been better served keeping Randle and trading Ingram

2681014, Coulda kept him and not signed KCP.
Posted by Ryan M, Wed Dec-05-18 01:19 PM
2680997, LMAO
Posted by Dr Claw, Wed Dec-05-18 10:34 AM
>Its funny I believe the "Nyquil" nickname created for George
>fits Ingram to a T. The ridiculous dust-up against Houston
>early in the season was the most passion I've seen out of
>Ingram at any point in his pro career. Most of the time he
>looks like he's half asleep. He has all the talent and ability
>but he just doesn't have enough dog in him and that's one of
>those things that either you have it or you don't.

2680985, RE: You got a ln Agenda Google Calendar fam?
Posted by ThaTruth, Wed Dec-05-18 09:31 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ucxjecOBzng
2681013, if this place allowed me to post pictures
Posted by bshelly, Wed Dec-05-18 01:18 PM
you'd see that June 25th, 2018 was "Launch 'Durant Better Than Kobe' Agenda."

but somebody beat me to it. sigh.
2680952, He is better than him...i stand by this. PG ain't nobody
Posted by Basaglia, Tue Dec-04-18 07:11 PM
2680960, *IS*?
Posted by Ryan M, Tue Dec-04-18 08:08 PM
No. He's not.

He may be. I HOPE he will be. But right now - no, he's not better than Paul George by any metric.
2680942, Imagine maxing Marcus Smart.
Posted by Ryan M, Tue Dec-04-18 06:10 PM
Dumb then, even dumber now.
2680953, no one maxed marcus smart, you dumb bitch
Posted by Basaglia, Tue Dec-04-18 07:12 PM
2680958, *looks up at the OP*
Posted by Ryan M, Tue Dec-04-18 07:50 PM
Oh.
2681025, *looks at West Standings*
Posted by Dr Claw, Wed Dec-05-18 02:56 PM
yikes.

Team RussQuil is top 3
2682286, RE: Explain why you'd waste money on Paul George with BI bout to pop.
Posted by ThaTruth, Thu Dec-20-18 04:51 AM

>BI will be better than PG this time next year. *shrug*
2683391, Head to head
Posted by Beezo, Wed Jan-02-19 10:58 PM
2683400, add point guard to the list of things BI is not
Posted by bentagain, Thu Jan-03-19 01:05 AM
I understand LAL are down their first 2 pgs

But I'd rather see Caruso than this mess.
2683395, Russ fuckin around with a first half trip dub
Posted by Beezo, Thu Jan-03-19 12:01 AM
2683397, 2-15? Is that Zo? Or Hart? Or BI?
Posted by Castro, Thu Jan-03-19 12:19 AM
2683398, In a slump and Lonzo. Who’s shooting a sizzling 1-4 himself.
Posted by Beezo, Thu Jan-03-19 12:29 AM
2683401, PG fucked them up.
Posted by Beezo, Thu Jan-03-19 01:10 AM
2685684, NYQUIL: Now coming to your local Bath Salts section!
Posted by Castro, Sun Jan-27-19 08:27 PM
He is playing out of his mind.
2689220, love it and went from hating watching OKC last year to loving it
Posted by ConcreteCharlie, Wed Feb-27-19 11:38 PM
they got some role players i really like and PG has taken his game up multiple levels.
2689039, exactly which year are we TALKING ABOUT?
Posted by ThaTruth, Tue Feb-26-19 10:08 AM

>BI will be better than PG this time next year. *shrug*
2689044, Weird time to ask that question
Posted by Cold Truth, Tue Feb-26-19 10:16 AM
Considering he's averaged 29.33 a game on 57% shooting in the three games since the all star break.

The lakers also have a better defensive rating with him on the floor.

Further, his numbers are similar to those of George, Butler, Giannis, and Kawhi at this stage in their respective careers.

So if/when he pops, I'd expect that to happen about the same time they did.
2689128, Which NEXT YEAR is it though? Because it was 18, or 19
Posted by isaaaa, Wed Feb-27-19 12:55 AM

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2689186, This is year 3. Year 4 is when those guys turned that corner.
Posted by Cold Truth, Wed Feb-27-19 03:51 PM
Year 5-6 is when they entered that elite tier, though Giannis did that in year 4.

If you're pressing someone for a shorter timetable, take that up with Basa. The corny, grandstanding, agenda-bot blowhard gimmick is his thing, not mine.

I have my frustrations with BI's consistency. But he's 21, in his third year, shooting 49%, playing good defense, and showing serious signs of developing that consistency.

Again, he's not entirely consistent just yet. But he's on his way and the only good reason not to be patient with him is.....uh..... there isn't one.

We got Brawn, that sped up the timeframe considerably, Magic and Rob are playing to Brawn's 4 year contract and not the development of our youth.

So here we are.

But BI is on his way, and he'll likely be playing at a level somewhere lose to the other wings I named at the same stage of their careers, more than ready to take the reigns at that point.

That's not counting Kuzma, who I think is on a similar trajectory despite some really bad habits right now.

And yeah...Zo is special too.

I honestly think all these guys would have had a better season, and we'd currently have a better record, without Brawn.
2689134, Wiggy also “popped” at the same time
Posted by FILF, Wed Feb-27-19 06:58 AM
>Considering he's averaged 29.33 a game on 57% shooting in the
>three games since the all star break.
>
>The lakers also have a better defensive rating with him on the
>floor.
>
>Further, his numbers are similar to those of George, Butler,
>Giannis, and Kawhi at this stage in their respective careers.
>
>
>So if/when he pops, I'd expect that to happen about the same
>time they did.
2689152, popped or POOPED
Posted by Dr Claw, Wed Feb-27-19 09:26 AM
2689187, THEY not gonna touch the Wiggy comparison...because it's true
Posted by bentagain, Wed Feb-27-19 03:56 PM
2689189, Very well could be... but you don't know that yet.
Posted by Cold Truth, Wed Feb-27-19 03:58 PM
And my point is that it's too early to call.
2689190, RE: at this stage in their respective careers
Posted by bentagain, Wed Feb-27-19 04:07 PM
You typed some elite NBA players in comparison

The same comparison holds for Wiggy

Your reply is...but you don't know that yet

LOL, DEFLECT DEFLECT
2689194, No, sorry. That's not what I said. Try again.
Posted by Cold Truth, Wed Feb-27-19 04:50 PM
It's fun to cut and paste and read part of a statement as though it existed in a vacuum. Lord knows that makes it easier to appear to be able to make a point.

Problem is, the full statement is still there.
2689197, I sure ain’t because it was an inefficient aberration
Posted by Basaglia, Wed Feb-27-19 05:47 PM
2689188, And?
Posted by Cold Truth, Wed Feb-27-19 03:57 PM
I believe in this kid.

Doesn't mean he'll be the stud I envision. He may be something less. Who knows.

But he's only 21people shitting on him like he's sorry are either being flat out dishonest in that assessment, or just ain forget that an awful lot of these guys take about 5 years to develop into the player they'll be for their career.

I just named four, three of who are MVP candidates, who had very similar numbers at the same stage of their careers.