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2620698, Jon Jones tested positive for steroids again Posted by Ceej, Tue Aug-22-17 07:43 PM
DUde is very smart
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2620701, Jon Jones is a Dummy Posted by BrooklynWHAT, Tue Aug-22-17 07:45 PM
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2620702, https://media.giphy.com/media/TdmTcdoN3egaQ/giphy.gif Posted by Dstl1, Tue Aug-22-17 07:48 PM
https://media.giphy.com/media/TdmTcdoN3egaQ/giphy.gif
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2620703, Man I can't even Posted by ShawndmeSlanted, Tue Aug-22-17 07:50 PM
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2620710, He's just a fuck up. That might be it. Posted by Tiger Woods, Tue Aug-22-17 08:29 PM
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2620725, Dude just can't get it right. Posted by GOMEZ, Tue Aug-22-17 09:06 PM
Sux for the sport
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2620869, Jackson-Wink's has to have had the most steroid violations at this point. Posted by inpulse, Wed Aug-23-17 11:09 AM
So many have failed, others who haven't don't pass the eye test or have ducked testing (which Jones has also done before, while inside the gym at JW's).
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2620872, Assuming the test results are valid Posted by Numba_33, Wed Aug-23-17 11:35 AM
how much of an asterisk does this place over his entire career? Also, assuming the test results are accurate, this gives Cormier even more props since he was doing a hell of a great job in the fight before the head kick landed.
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2620879, there's reason to believe he's done it forever Posted by Tiger Woods, Wed Aug-23-17 12:16 PM
he's been so erratic both in the ring and out, why think otherwise?
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2620890, insie the ring when he's fought id argue he hasnt been erratic Posted by ShawndmeSlanted, Wed Aug-23-17 01:00 PM
say what you want about his point to win style -- but hes been the most dominant fighter of the decade in the ring
If true im interested in understanding (though well probably never really know) why. Its hard to see hes always been PED free, but lets assume he was early on. I mean physically he has two elite athlete bros, so its possible genetically.
He's never really been close to losing a fight outside of Gustaffson, but what kind of deep insecurities is he dealing with that may fuel PED use --despite dominance. There must be a real fear of losing or not performing at a certain level which may fuel PED and other recreational drug use and poor life decisions.
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2620906, I'm sorry. I mean actually showing up for fights Posted by Tiger Woods, Wed Aug-23-17 02:15 PM
obviously, he's a fabulous talent
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2620904, if tests are valid, he's in Vitor/Overeem wing of UFC History Posted by GOMEZ, Wed Aug-23-17 02:10 PM
Jon been in trouble the entire USADA era. I can't say he wasn't/isn't badass, but there's no way to say he was ever a clean athlete.
I saw someone reference that his brothers were pro athletes, which is true, but they're both pro athletes who have been busted for PEDs. *edit - chandler jones was busted for synthetic weed, not PEDs*
It sucks, cuz Jon had one of the more epic runs in UFC history. His skill and creativity are still as elite as it gets.
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2622723, So the B sample was dirty as well. Posted by Numba_33, Thu Sep-14-17 12:40 PM
The match against Cormier was ruled a no contest, Jones' belt was striped, and Cormier is now the Light Heavyweight Champion. Assuming he gets a four year suspension, he could theoretically fight in Japan, right?
It would be hilarious if the source of his latest positive test result is because of GAT Supplements since they are one of his few remaining sponsors.
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2622942, Call me crazy (they do on here anyway) but I don't believe this Posted by Boogie Stimuli, Sun Sep-17-17 12:25 AM
Why? Dana is close friends with Trump... like "call each other on the cell" close. Dana said on Hot 97 "there's something about when a guy looks like you... and is the baddest man on the planet that makes you feel great." When they asked him about Trumps racism, he straight up dodged the question. Never forget, Trump took out ads in NY to execute the Central Park 5 despite them being innocent teens. He was also sued for racism and is surrounded by alt-right members and David Duke's candidate. Dana white being close friends with that guy AND making it clear that he roots for the white guys (he was on Kimmel comparing McConnor to Ali) really makes this whole Jones thing look like a set up. I actually believe Jon when he says he never took steroids. He made some bad choices, and that's the thing they're using to corral belief around this narrative. He's a Black man who bangs white women (even has a mixed son), and he's now one in a long line of Black men who've been targeted for being great AND sleeping with white women. Just another story just like John (Jack) Johnson.
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2622946, Dana hates Black champions, so he fixes shit so that Cormier is champ? Posted by Doc Catalyst, Sun Sep-17-17 02:20 AM
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2622948, Goddamn edit timeout Posted by Doc Catalyst, Sun Sep-17-17 03:02 AM
I mean he's a white dude from Boston and he has no problem throwing some of his black champions under the bus when they aren't considered draws (sup Tyron Woodley and Demetrious Johnson)...
But there's also no upside of having your dominant LHW you've promoted as maybe the greatest ever getting his title stripped for the third time and having to give it back to a guy he just KO'd in front of millions.
They're desperate to have another PPV draw not named Conor (probably not fighting again this year) or Ronda (probably done) and WME-IMG needs to make money back from the $4 billion they spent on this shit, which is why they were all on the MayMac train when it came close to fruition. Intentionally having the most interesting dude on your roster outside of those two out for maybe up to four years doesn't compute.
Like do I think Dana is probably sympathetic to a lot of the ideals Trump has? Sure. Enough so that he's willing to hurt his (and his bosses) pockets? Nah.
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2622949, The practice of white supremacy is more important than money Posted by Boogie Stimuli, Sun Sep-17-17 04:46 AM
to white supremacists. That's really important to understand. Daniel Cormier is 38, so he won't be champ much longer. Jon is only 30, so he could have that division on lock for many years to come. I also said this...
>He's a Black man who bangs white >women (even has a mixed son), and he's now one >in a long line of Black men who've been targeted >for being great AND sleeping with white women. >Just another story just like John (Jack) Johnson.
If you're underestimating the gravity of that, please take another look at history (the KKK and others used that as an excuse to kill countless Black men and they still do... Dylann Roof and Elliot Rodgers, for instance). Daniel is married. His wife is hispanic, and he ain't out here banging white women on the side as far as I know.
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2622954, They were scheduling Jones a HW Title fight Posted by Tiger Woods, Sun Sep-17-17 09:48 AM
With Ronda gone and Conor noncommittal, the only other cash cow they had was Jones. His next year was about to make them a fortune - a HW title fight against Stipe Miocic and a blockbuster next Summer against Brock Lesnar. That's the two biggest fights they could've made that didn't involve McGregor. You think they'd deliberately sabotage that? Whew, pass that piff over here then.
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2622959, That could just be a great cover. Posted by Boogie Stimuli, Sun Sep-17-17 12:27 PM
>You think they'd deliberately sabotage that?
Obviously. When you think they wouldn't is the perfect time to do it.
>Whew, pass that piff over here then.
Oh sure. There's a book called Racial Matters by Kenneth O'Reilly. That's great piff to start with.
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2622958, yeah this is pretty out there... Posted by BrooklynWHAT, Sun Sep-17-17 12:11 PM
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2622960, Black folks been victims of some very "out there" stuff Posted by Boogie Stimuli, Sun Sep-17-17 12:30 PM
and continue to fall for it, because we swear these things don't happen, despite a lot of it being documented.
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2623001, you know there's been quite a few black UFC champs, right? Posted by jrocc, Sun Sep-17-17 06:41 PM
Cormier, Tyron Woodley and Demetrius Johnson are all current champs. there's been black champions all the way back to Maurice Smith back like 20 years ago. i don't think the UFC is what you think it is.
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2623005, And it's just coincidence that Dana has issues with all of them, right? Posted by Boogie Stimuli, Sun Sep-17-17 06:59 PM
Sure.
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2623006, right, cuz Dana doesn't EVER have issues with anyone else... Posted by jrocc, Sun Sep-17-17 07:07 PM
it's practically Dana's job to have issues with the fighters. you trippin fam. LOL
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2623007, Dana White told us who he is... Posted by Boogie Stimuli, Sun Sep-17-17 07:10 PM
a guy who favors the fighters who looks like him, is close friends with confirmed racist Trump, and denies questions about said racism. I don't need to know much more. You can ignore those things, but that just tells me who you are as well. *shrugs*
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2623013, I feel for your loved ones and friends having to hear you telling them Posted by Heinz, Sun Sep-17-17 07:38 PM
How woke you are. It's almost sad. You know when you see videos of christians pointing out the illuminati in music by playing the preschool game of matching shapes and you sit and wonder who are these fucks wasting their life....I now know that answer.
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IG @h_n_z
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2623016, I feel for your mother as well. n/m Posted by Boogie Stimuli, Sun Sep-17-17 07:51 PM
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2623017, hes one of the most exciting fighters in a sport at a time Posted by GriftyMcgrift, Sun Sep-17-17 08:04 PM
when there are alot of boring fighters
hes one of the best ever and the most dynamic, dude practically embodies the evolution of MMA
no way dana fucking white is gonna let white fucking supremacy fuck up UFC's money
your conspiracy doenst hold any water, sorry man
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2623018, I already responded to this with my response to Doc Catalyst Posted by Boogie Stimuli, Sun Sep-17-17 08:12 PM
I love when people join convos, but you're just repeating talking points that have already been introduced.
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2623019, LOL ok champ Posted by GriftyMcgrift, Sun Sep-17-17 08:12 PM
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2682666, Jon Jones tested positive for steroids again Posted by Ceej, Wed Dec-26-18 03:59 PM
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2682668, LMAO!! This took me out.... Posted by Dstl1, Wed Dec-26-18 04:10 PM
seeing the post title, and then your reply title. That aside...damn.
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2682671, he not guilty this time tho right? Posted by Cenario, Wed Dec-26-18 04:29 PM
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2682672, I've heard conflicting things about the science of these trace amounts Posted by T Reynolds, Wed Dec-26-18 04:33 PM
of turinabol
The reason it was not called off entirely is it was residual from the last test and did not provide performance enhancement. Just can't fight in Nevada
Given the overall treatment of this by the UFC (hurry to relocate, hush-hush treatment) I think everyone is sticking to the story within the organization except (obvs) for fighters that hate Jon Jones or that have popped for similar trace amounts in the past before the faultiness of testing have been pointed out, but have still faced the consequences (like Frank Mir)
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2682694, omfg Posted by Rjcc, Wed Dec-26-18 10:18 PM
www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at
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2682673, BJ Penn vs. Ryan Hall has the chance to be the best or the worst Posted by T Reynolds, Wed Dec-26-18 04:38 PM
fight of the year ever for jiujitsu nerds
I can't believe this shit is actually happening (on the prelims tho cause it really might suck balls)
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2682948, RE: BJ Penn vs. Ryan Hall has the chance to be the best or the worst Posted by xangeluvr, Sat Dec-29-18 02:39 PM
well, bj is boring (and painful) to watch now. ryan has always been boring to watch. so i go for the latter (worst).
also, i don't understand why bj was taking extra time training in the gi when him and ryan are fighting in mma.
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2685923, BJ looked semi-competent albeit super washed, but the casuals Posted by T Reynolds, Tue Jan-29-19 04:53 PM
I know actually loved that heel-hook finish
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2685916, Jon Jones tested positive for steroids again Posted by Ceej, Tue Jan-29-19 04:19 PM
And now licensed in Nevada for UFC 235
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2685922, at this point I just want Dillon to get his grappling match w/ bones Posted by T Reynolds, Tue Jan-29-19 04:52 PM
on some hyper-niche jiujitsu card just to watch this guy get d'arced on the grainiest feed possible
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2685925, Y'all may or may not enjoy this Posted by fontgangsta, Tue Jan-29-19 04:57 PM
but i do this insane bracket every year of "mythical fighters" over at bloody elbow
https://www.bloodyelbow.com/2019/1/27/18199695/2019-mythical-creatures-of-mma-the-sweet-16
its gets pretty over the top now, but it started like "sea-level" cain vs "motivated" bj penn - basically the meme versions of fighters, correcting their fatal flaws.
winners the first 3 years were Motivated BJ Pen Man-Sized Demetrious Johnson Brave Bob Sapp
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2685941, I saw that, that was well done Posted by T Reynolds, Wed Jan-30-19 07:57 AM
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2685987, thanks! Posted by fontgangsta, Wed Jan-30-19 01:24 PM
it gets a little bigger and a little crazier every year
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2685942, some of these are great man Posted by Tiger Woods, Wed Jan-30-19 08:15 AM
and lol at just "dolly" !!!
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2685943, ya theres some good ones this year Posted by fontgangsta, Wed Jan-30-19 09:07 AM
the community submits entries, and everyone votes on them with recs, most recs gets in and also determines seeding the dolly will prob make it to the final 4 if i were to guess
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2685948, Two questions for you Posted by Numba_33, Wed Jan-30-19 09:52 AM
1) Was the legend Renato Laranja ever an entry to that bracket in year's past?
2) Is Game Plan Mike Perry a reference to him once being a part of Greg Jackson's gym? Pardon my ignorance have asking you to explain the joke. Pretty wild how both him and Cerrone ended up splitting from that camp given that Cerrone pretty much beat Mike Perry with the greatest of ease to borrow the phrase from Smug.
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2685957, i must confess Posted by fontgangsta, Wed Jan-30-19 10:44 AM
>1) Was the legend Renato Laranja ever an entry to that >bracket in year's past?
Im not even sure who this is. So the answer would be no, i def havent seen him in the brackets before.
>2) Is Game Plan Mike Perry a reference to him once being a >part of Greg Jackson's gym? Pardon my ignorance have asking >you to explain the joke. Pretty wild how both him and Cerrone >ended up splitting from that camp given that Cerrone pretty >much beat Mike Perry with the greatest of ease to borrow the >phrase from Smug.
ya its pretty much just that hes a wild ass fighter and might be pretty damn tough to beat if he used an actual gameplan. there seems to be a lot of turmoil at jackson's these days. I think a large part of that is that Jackson stepped away for a time, i think to deal with some personal stuff. altho, i say that, and when i think about it there has ALWAYS been drama over there i guess, going all the way back to jones and rashad
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2685973, RE: i must confess Posted by Numba_33, Wed Jan-30-19 12:06 PM
>>1) Was the legend Renato Laranja ever an entry to that >>bracket in year's past? > >Im not even sure who this is. So the answer would be no, i def >havent seen him in the brackets before.
When I get home later on tonight, I'll post up Youtube links so you can get properly introduced to the genius that is Renato Laranja. I'm almost jealous you have no knowledge of this cat at all since you get to view him with fresh eyes.
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2685986, i know what you mean Posted by fontgangsta, Wed Jan-30-19 01:23 PM
> I'm almost jealous you have no knowledge of >this cat at all since you get to view him with fresh eyes.
im the same way when i give someone DJ Shadow's Endtroducing for the first time
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2686013, Renato Laranja is a fictional character Posted by Numba_33, Wed Jan-30-19 08:11 PM
made up by one of Eddie Bravo's students who in real life became a 10th Planet black belt roughly 4 or so years ago. The character is a spoof on Brazilians that think Eddie Bravo's no-gi training is fake ju-jitsu. He's also a 27 time Mundials Champion and is known within the ju jitsu and MMA community for jokingly playing up his 27 World Time skills in comparison to their skill sets. Here are some Youtube videos that display the type of humor the character is known for:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3XL1T5QL9s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fehstgxCZRY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcdZc4WDC-s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRhK9bM4XgU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHaW1kl3oNg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmLpKE8Uj-Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMyXPkczCLY
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2687432, down to the FINAL FOUR Posted by fontgangsta, Mon Feb-11-19 01:15 PM
https://www.bloodyelbow.com/2019/2/10/18219357/2019-mythical-creatures-of-mma-the-final-4
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2689352, Jon Jones tested positive for steroids again Posted by Ceej, Thu Feb-28-19 07:51 PM
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2689359, they don’t even care anymore (and I can’t wait to watch) Posted by Tiger Woods, Thu Feb-28-19 08:57 PM
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2689378, Barely even newsworthy Posted by Ceej, Fri Mar-01-19 08:40 AM
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2689379, Didn't a fighter just sue Lesner/UFC for this? Posted by bentagain, Fri Mar-01-19 09:02 AM
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2689382, Mark Hunt. Believe they settled, because he fought one more time after Posted by Tiger Woods, Fri Mar-01-19 09:08 AM
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2689383, Link...nothing to see here: Posted by Castro, Fri Mar-01-19 09:09 AM
https://www.mmafighting.com/2019/1/23/18195095/trace-amount-of-same-steroid-metabolite-found-in-jon-jones-ufc-232-vada-test-results
“I spoke with the scientists,” Foster said. “They stand by their original statement. Nothing has changed. We’ve already punished Jon Jones for the M3 metabolite, which is a long-term metabolite. There’s no grounds to charge somebody twice for the same violation.”
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2689385, these picograms have a halflife of a regular UFC fighter's career Posted by T Reynolds, Fri Mar-01-19 09:14 AM
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2689391, LOL - good post Dana Posted by Ceej, Fri Mar-01-19 10:21 AM
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2689399, thats all mathematically verifiable. Posted by cgonz00cc, Fri Mar-01-19 11:05 AM
wonder if they bothered to track quantities and breakdowns over time
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2689404, I'm no scientist but it seems clear he's cycling Turinabol between fights Posted by Tiger Woods, Fri Mar-01-19 11:40 AM
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2689420, you don't beleive the 'pulsing near a fight' defense? Posted by GOMEZ, Fri Mar-01-19 12:47 PM
shit seems pretty absurd.
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2689415, Ya'll catch that documentary Icarus Posted by bentagain, Fri Mar-01-19 12:29 PM
Convinced me that the only people who get caught are the ones that recklessly use PEDs
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