Most people anointed this dude a "top 5" player almost from day, he was supposed to be the NEXT player to take over the league. 5 years in the league, 24 years old, 1 playoff appearance 2 years ago(swept in the 1st round). This season he's going to be playing alongside an All-NBA center with 2 All-Star guards in the backcourt. Is a playoff appearance too much to ask? Is it treasonous to expect him to actually get past the first round? What are the expectations at this point? Y'all destroy people like Carmelo despite having a lackluster supporting cast but continually COP PLEAS for this dude. Do we have to wait until he's 30 before we can judge him?

https://usatftw.files.wordpress.com/2016/10/boogie-thumbs-up.jpg

>RE: No NEVER is the enemy

They should see Round 2 at a minimum

been trying to get people to fry him and cuz for years on this board, but they get passes. AB always come with that last minute playoff appearance from AD like it means something. he missed the playoffs 4 outta 5, dogg.

towns and wiggins, too.

He itching to jump in another franchise player's backpack.

i understand you salty, but we past that tactic.

all that extra stuff is just lebron and his team tryna make it look like kyrie crazy for wanting to leave him. so, believe what you want.

TIME don't stop. he gonna be in better spot to win a title than wall over the next 5 years. no matter what.

oh well.

>
>been trying to get people to fry him and cuz for years on this
>board, but they get passes. AB always come with that last
>minute playoff appearance from AD like it means something. he
>missed the playoffs 4 outta 5, dogg.
>
>towns and wiggins, too.

Lol...well he did make it once. And to be fair, I didn't expect Kyrie to make it until he got Deng and Zombie knees Bynum on the team (yr what? 3?) and they were decent enough (won 33 games). He was on his way.

AFTER thinking EARL CLARK AND ALONZO GEE would suffice.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/CLE/2014.html

"they were on their way"

y'all be SERIOUS about this, too.

Deng was 28 (PRIME years), coming off back-to-back allstar seasons, was averaging 19ppg at the time of the trade (leading a bulls team that finished with 48 wins that season). FOH with this revisionism.

Deng got hurt AFTER the trade but he was by no means damaged goods.

And since we getting 'dirty', he also had:

#1 pick Anthony "better than LJ" Bennett
#4 pick Tristan
#7 pick Dion "I got better when I left" Waiters
Andy Varejao
Spencer Hawes
Delly
CJ Miles
Jarrett Jack

AND Deng who was putting up 19ppg and/or Bynum who could have been a good piece if he knees were functional.

They won 33 games dog, a 9 game improvement and they played in the East. Playoffs was reasonable, yr 3. "I" wasn't expecting it yr 1-2.

That same year, the Hawks won 38 games and got the 8th seed. C'mon B. Stop whining about this, you should have expected playoffs too.


>
>AFTER thinking EARL CLARK AND ALONZO GEE would suffice.
>
>https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/CLE/2014.html
>
>"they were on their way"
>
>y'all be SERIOUS about this, too.

>Deng was 28 (PRIME years), coming off back-to-back allstar
>seasons, was averaging 19ppg at the time of the trade (leading
>a bulls team that finished with 48 wins that season). FOH
>with this revisionism.


IF he was soooo great, they wouldn't have traded him. Lu was having lingering complications from that botched spinal tap in the SUMMER of 2013, after the last of his AS selections.

https://www.sbnation.com/nba/2013/7/31/4574616/luol-deng-injury-spinal-tap-chicago-bulls-nba

so, like i said, he was damaged goods. he ain't looked like himself SINCE that botched procedure.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/10255605/cleveland-cavaliers-agree-trade-andrew-bynum-chicago-bulls-luol-deng

and he WAS INJURED before the trade.

"He has been bothered by an injured Achilles that caused him to miss nine games over the past six weeks."

SHUT YO WILLY NILLY WITH THE FACTS ASS UP!


>Deng got hurt AFTER the trade but he was by no means damaged
>goods.

he was damaged goods. his body was beat up.

>
>And since we getting 'dirty', he also had:
>
>#1 pick Anthony "better than LJ" Bennett

my biased opinion don't matter. what matters is he was the worst #1 ever and didn't help the team AT ALL.

>#4 pick Tristan

a specialist big. cool. real effective when the scoring is handled by a 4 other starters, because he's not a scoring option.

>#7 pick Dion "I got better when I left" Waiters

he is NOBODY...don't try to pass him off as good. this is the PROBLEM!

a 16/4/3 on 42%FG and 65%FT(!!!!!!) 6-3 SG?

GARY HARRIS IS ALREADY BETTER THAN DION WAITERS!


>Andy Varejao
>Spencer Hawes
>Delly
>CJ Miles
>Jarrett Jack

again. THIS is the problem. you dead ass serious. who are they, dogg? that supposed to mean something. andy get hurt before break every year or miss a good chunk of games.



>AND Deng who was putting up 19ppg and/or Bynum who could have
>been a good piece if he knees were functional.

deng put up 14 on 41% as a Cav...OH WELL. i guess that's better than clark and gee tho?


>They won 33 games dog, a 9 game improvement and they played in
>the East. Playoffs was reasonable, yr 3. "I" wasn't
>expecting it yr 1-2.

it wasn't REASONABLE for step and wall tho? they missed in year three with better rosters.

look, i ain't gon keep rehashing this. y'all dudes are biased. every excuse for all these other dudes, but there's some disconnect with kyrie and it for a whole variety of reason...duke stuff and he's a natural rival with a lot of other PGs, who ain't get the shine or have the success he did. but, tryna list past prime broke down jarret jack is a solid piece is WACK.

>That same year, the Hawks won 38 games and got the 8th seed.
>C'mon B. Stop whining about this, you should have expected
>playoffs too.

these hawks?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013%E2%80%9314_Atlanta_Hawks_season

yeah, they should have made it. MILSAP, TEAGUE, HORFORD, KORVER, LOU WILL...you see how those names just just off the screen and your brain immediately processes them as "EFFECTIVE PLAYERS WHO ARE STILL TITLE CALIBUR PIECES TO THIS DAY"

but yo dumb ass gon list hawes with a straight face...some damn CJ miles, who was STARTING!!!!!


don't talk to me about this no more.

and rose will be DIRECTLY responsible for approximating kyrie's production. i don't wanna hear no damn excuse. unless ky's still there or justise ends up a cav in a trade, i am all in for boston knocking the cavs out...and it's because rose is THAT FAR from being close to kyrie.

GOOD!

>IF he was soooo great, they wouldn't have traded him. Lu was
>having lingering complications from that botched spinal tap in
>the SUMMER of 2013, after the last of his AS selections.

Jimmy was gaining on him.

>https://www.sbnation.com/nba/2013/7/31/4574616/luol-deng-injury-spinal-tap-chicago-bulls-nba
>
>so, like i said, he was damaged goods. he ain't looked like
>himself SINCE that botched procedure.

LMAO...you use to come for us for talking about Lu's injuries, now you calling him damaged goods.

>http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/10255605/cleveland-cavaliers-agree-trade-andrew-bynum-chicago-bulls-luol-deng
>
>and he WAS INJURED before the trade.
>
>"He has been bothered by an injured Achilles that caused him
>to miss nine games over the past six weeks."
>
>SHUT YO WILLY NILLY WITH THE FACTS ASS UP!

lol...we gonna call a leg ache damaged goods? Ok, fam I'll concede here. He had a sore lower leg for a few weeks.

>>Deng got hurt AFTER the trade but he was by no means damaged
>>goods.
>
>he was damaged goods. his body was beat up.

LMAO Ok

>>
>>And since we getting 'dirty', he also had:
>>
>>#1 pick Anthony "better than LJ" Bennett
>
>my biased opinion don't matter. what matters is he was the
>worst #1 ever and didn't help the team AT ALL.

This ain't about your bias, it's about expectations. Before ANY of us knew what these dudes would be, it was reasonable to expect a #1 pick to contribute to a team that seemed to be improved and help it compete for/make the playoffs.

>>#4 pick Tristan
>
>a specialist big. cool. real effective when the scoring is
>handled by a 4 other starters, because he's not a scoring
>option.

Still a top 5 pick, still a starting caliber big.

>>#7 pick Dion "I got better when I left" Waiters
>
>he is NOBODY...don't try to pass him off as good. this is the
>PROBLEM!
>
>a 16/4/3 on 42%FG and 65%FT(!!!!!!) 6-3 SG?
>
>GARY HARRIS IS ALREADY BETTER THAN DION WAITERS!

Great to alladat but when he was drafted, you cysed him, ppl thought he'd be at least 'ok' and had some potential (they compared him to D-Wade dog). Fair to say a #7, #4 and #1 pick helping another #1 pick along with a 2 x allstar make the playoffs in a weak ass east is reasonable right?

>
>>Andy Varejao
>>Spencer Hawes
>>Delly
>>CJ Miles
>>Jarrett Jack
>
>again. THIS is the problem. you dead ass serious. who are
>they, dogg? that supposed to mean something. andy get hurt
>before break every year or miss a good chunk of games.

take them hindsight goggles off my dude. Them are good vets, playoff tested that could help a young team make a playoff run in the weak ass, only need 38 wins to qualify, eastern conference.

>deng put up 14 on 41% as a Cav...OH WELL. i guess that's
>better than clark and gee tho?

We won't get into this, though I recall at the time, Deng said the locker room wasn't right so he wasn't getting the opportunities he should have been getting as one of the top 2 players on the team. And it was a new system so...

>it wasn't REASONABLE for step and wall tho? they missed in
>year three with better rosters.

Wall got roasted, "Smooth fat entering training camp, no-jacket-johnny"...he got his. Steph had ankle problems, wasn't a #1 pick and most people didn't even think he'd have a career after that 2nd ankle issue. His career has been a complete surprise.

>look, i ain't gon keep rehashing this. y'all dudes are biased.
>every excuse for all these other dudes, but there's some
>disconnect with kyrie and it for a whole variety of
>reason...duke stuff and he's a natural rival with a lot of
>other PGs, who ain't get the shine or have the success he did.
>but, tryna list past prime broke down jarret jack is a solid
>piece is WACK.

But you DO keep rehashing and showing your "duke, me and K against the world" propaganda you always spout. A REASONABLE person would say, the team Kyrie had in yr 3 should have made the playoffs.

>>That same year, the Hawks won 38 games and got the 8th seed.
>
>>C'mon B. Stop whining about this, you should have expected
>>playoffs too.
>
>these hawks?
>
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013%E2%80%9314_Atlanta_Hawks_season
>
>yeah, they should have made it. MILSAP, TEAGUE, HORFORD,
>KORVER, LOU WILL...you see how those names just just off the
>screen and your brain immediately processes them as "EFFECTIVE
>PLAYERS WHO ARE STILL TITLE CALIBUR PIECES TO THIS DAY"

horford got hurt (tore his peck), and most of those dudes were in their prime. At the time, only 2 had been allstars. Just like the cavs had (2 allstars).

Dion: >a 16/4/3 on 42%FG and 65%FT(!!!!!!) 6-3 SG?
Teague: 16/6/2 on 43%FG and 32% from 3 (dion was 5%pts higher)

If you look at the top 7 (minus Horford cuz he got hurt 20% through the season) the Cavs are VERY comparable.

And I'll do you one better. The damn bobcats won 43!! games with Kemba, Al Jeff, MKG, Josh McRoberts, Sessions and Gary Neal.

http://xmr.wdfiles.com/local--files/team%3Afriends-of-humanity/foh.jpg

>but yo dumb ass gon list hawes with a straight face...some
>damn CJ miles, who was STARTING!!!!!

CJ Miles STILL starts and Hawes was better than McRoberts. But Kemba made due with 78 games of him starting. And MKG was a offensive liablity...JUST LIKE TRISTAN.

>don't talk to me about this no more.
>
>and rose will be DIRECTLY responsible for approximating
>kyrie's production. i don't wanna hear no damn excuse. unless
>ky's still there or justise ends up a cav in a trade, i am all
>in for boston knocking the cavs out...and it's because rose is
>THAT FAR from being close to kyrie.
>
>GOOD!

You brought ME up in this discussion. lol But I won't talk to you about this anymore because you ain't nothing but a Kyrie apologist over your OWN hurt feelings that he couldn't do what was reasonably expected of him as a #1 pick with roster decent enough to make the playoffs in the east. Like kemba did.

And I don't give a damn about Rose and what the Cavs do so cool...have fun with that.

you actually hinged your argument some punk ass sideways kemba better than kyrie theory. nigga, step the fuck up and just say you think kemba was the difference between the teams. just say kemba better and don't hide behind the ambiguity of team record, which is a volatile mixed bag of talent, coaching, HEALTH and team chemistry. the bobcats were better than the the hawks that year. you remember the hawks, right? they were the first team you trotted out to make your trash ass argument. they were clearly better than the cavs and barely made it to the 8th spot themselves. so what was the point of the fucking bobcats?

SMH.

You won't be reasonable even when talking to someone reasonable. You put one face on everybody. I'm "OKP Sports dude #724" and you lump us all into one collective person/mind state.

Let's kill fallacies and strawmen:

-Kyrie>>>>Kemba - whole point was, if a lesser player, in yr 3, with a roster comparable to the Cavs, could get his team to the playoffs, it was 'reasonable'...key word here...to expect Kyrie to do the same in year 3 with the roster that was in front of him.

-Expectation = for the purpose of this convo, something his team could and should have done given the knowledge of the situation (roster, coach, health, mix of vets+high draft picks, etc) at that point in time.

-The argument we are having, which you initiated, is that it was unreasonable to expect Kyrie to lead the Cavs to the playoffs in his 3rd year given the roster.

^^^Given all of those, you're dead ass wrong. When the season started it was VERY reasonable to expect the Cavs to finish better than the damn bobcats. And the bobcats made the playoffs. Hawks only ended up the 8th seed because Horford got hurt, otherwise they probably finish higher. My point in bringing up the hawks was the win total (38) was reasonable for the Cavs to attain to get to the playoffs. My point in bringing up the Bobcats was to counter your "hawks roster" argument by saying the Bobcats roster was very comparable to the Cavs.

Now, that's all I said - he could and should have lead that team to the playoffs. In hindsight, I can say...well given what happened (Bynum's knees, Deng not assimilating and getting hurt, rift with Dion and the "buddy ball" statement, Bennett being a bust, etc) I can see why they fell short. But you act like it's sin to have had an expectation of a dude with tons of talent helping a roster that looked good on paper make the playoffs. C'mon man.

Alladis is just angry "Duke, Me and K against the world" Fodder:

>you actually hinged your argument some punk ass sideways kemba
>better than kyrie theory. nigga, step the fuck up and just say
>you think kemba was the difference between the teams. just say
>kemba better and don't hide behind the ambiguity of team
>record, which is a volatile mixed bag of talent, coaching,
>HEALTH and team chemistry. the bobcats were better than the
>the hawks that year. you remember the hawks, right? they were
>the first team you trotted out to make your trash ass
>argument. they were clearly better than the cavs and barely
>made it to the 8th spot themselves. so what was the point of
>the fucking bobcats?
>
>SMH.
>
>

>-The argument we are having, which you initiated, is that it
>was unreasonable to expect Kyrie to lead the Cavs to the
>playoffs in his 3rd year given the roster.

yep. because GIVEN WHAT WE KNOW NOW...dion ain't take a step in development and came to camp FAT and bennett was the GOAT bust...and Bynum's knees were hot garbage...everyone expected too much.


>^^^Given all of those, you're dead ass wrong. When the season
>started it was VERY reasonable to expect the Cavs to finish
>better than the damn bobcats.

based on #1 pick bennett and dion IMPROVING.

And the bobcats made the
>playoffs. Hawks only ended up the 8th seed because Horford
>got hurt, otherwise they probably finish higher.

cavs players got hurt too, most importantly kyrie.

My point in
>bringing up the hawks was the win total (38) was reasonable
>for the Cavs to attain to get to the playoffs. My point in
>bringing up the Bobcats was to counter your "hawks roster"
>argument by saying the Bobcats roster was very comparable to
>the Cavs.
>
>Now, that's all I said - he could and should have lead that
>team to the playoffs. In hindsight, I can say...well given
>what happened (Bynum's knees, Deng not assimilating and
>getting hurt, rift with Dion and the "buddy ball" statement,
>Bennett being a bust, etc) I can see why they fell short. But
>you act like it's sin to have had an expectation of a dude
>with tons of talent helping a roster that looked good on paper
>make the playoffs. C'mon man.

you having that expectation argument with yourself and tryna force it on me. i'm saying that roster was trash...BECAUSE IT WAS.

you ain't gon sit in 2017 talmbout expections for that trash roster as if it matters NOW. guess what? i expected steph and wall to get fried for not making their first 3 years. it has never happened. wonder why.

Here we go...kick rocks...cuz this is YOU on the Cavs prospects in yr 3:

http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=8&topic_id=2249732&mesg_id=2249732&listing_type=search#2249759

I had them as the 8th seed.
You had them as the damn 5th seed.
But I'm wrong for thinking, before the season, he should have gotten them to the playoffs yr 3...just like YOU DID?

lmao

I'm done.

you just rehashed a bunch of junk that happened BEFORE kyrie became a champion. i honestly don't have to address ANY of it, but i indulge y'all.

y'all still tryna undo what happened.

this thread was about a supposed "STAR" who keep avoiding getting fried. it's a GREAT thread, because i'm tired of being the one to try getting it started. 3 years ago you acted like the bamma was off the hook because he made the playoffs by the skin of his teeth and get swept and ain't been back since.

i'm saying he ain't off the hook and should be fried if him and that big ass child playing alongside him, who ain't made the playoffs in SEVEN TRIES AND STILL DON'T GET FRIED LIKE KYRIE DID, don't get NO into the playoffs.

yes, i EXPECTED the cavs to make it in 2013-14, but it became clear by December they weren't good enough. my EXPECTATION was based on a #1 overall pick filling a SF slot that had been TERRIBLE since bron left. earl clark got signed outta nowhere and STARTED. EARL CLARK!!! i didn't EXPECT that. in fact, i EXPECTED bennett to be good enough to win ROY. i EXPECTED jarrett jack to win 6th man. i EXPECTED dion to be dropping close to 20ppg and able to hit FTs. so, i had reasons beyond "oh, kyrie went to duke...lemme be irrational" to expect them to make the playoffs.

oh well.

flashback to 2011....Y'ALL ***EXPECTED*** a lot of stuff to be true in 2017 that just isn't true.

i don't need to list those things.

Glad we can agree on that. I also said, in hindsight I see why he didn't. I also expected Wiggins (yr 3) and towns to make the playoffs last year but LaVine tore his ACL, they didn't learn how to defend consistently (lost the most games with a double digit lead in the game..20) and Dunn wasn't as good for them.

*Shrug* I still blame Wiggins for that though. He improved as a scorer but the rest his game isn't where it could be. It took 41 wins to make the playoffs in the West. That was doable.

And I brought up Kyrie because ALL your arguments about how others are treated revolve around him now-a-days so I just cut to the chase. I didn't critique Kyrie no harsher than I did anyone else with talent a decent team yr 3. If anything, I went at Ky cuz you went at Rose as the Bulls guy. But I still never said "oh, he a bum cuz he ain't make the playoffs yr 3".

And before I saw your response, I said NO should make the playoffs this year. And I think both those dudes deserve blame if they aren't at least an 8 seed.


>you just rehashed a bunch of junk that happened BEFORE kyrie
>became a champion. i honestly don't have to address ANY of it,
>but i indulge y'all.
>
>y'all still tryna undo what happened.

FOH w/"y'all"...boy got a ring as Bron's sidekick and won game 7. I ain't never discounted none of that. Those are facts. I actually said Kyrie would be an MVP candidate this past season (1yr ago). I actually said, Kyrie should shoot in game winning situations instead of Bron because his game is better for it (2yrs ago). But nah...I'm "y'all" cuz your feelings hurt. lol

>this thread was about a supposed "STAR" who keep avoiding
>getting fried. it's a GREAT thread, because i'm tired of being
>the one to try getting it started. 3 years ago you acted like
>the bamma was off the hook because he made the playoffs by the
>skin of his teeth and get swept and ain't been back since.

Oh, context and roster make sense when discussing Kyrie but not Brow? We gon act like he (missed 21 games), Gordon (37 games) and Tyreke (25 games) didn't get hurt yr 4? Like Alonzo Gee didn't start 37 games for them that season? Like last yrs Pels roster wasn't WORSE than Kyrie's Pre-Bron roster? Ok.

>i'm saying he ain't off the hook and should be fried if him
>and that big ass child playing alongside him, who ain't made
>the playoffs in SEVEN TRIES AND STILL DON'T GET FRIED LIKE
>KYRIE DID, don't get NO into the playoffs.

When have I ever disagreed with this? I literally said they should make the playoffs this year.

>yes, i EXPECTED the cavs to make it in 2013-14, but it became
>clear by December they weren't good enough.

Great so I was right...thanks for confirming again.

>so, i had reasons beyond
>"oh, kyrie went to duke...lemme be irrational" to expect them
>to make the playoffs.
>
>oh well.

Indeed.

>flashback to 2011....Y'ALL ***EXPECTED*** a lot of stuff to be
>true in 2017 that just isn't true.
>
>i don't need to list those things.

*Yawn*

what i EXPECTED didn't matter. i was arguing the same thing i've argued for YEARS...to hold kyrie accountable for THOSE ROSTERS never making the playoffs is pure bias. period.

i believe he's the endgame for all those assets they've accumulated.

if i was danny i'd be calling them literally every day, because he's going to ask out at some point. that team's going NOWHERE.

He's going to figure out how to get the C's to the finals within the next 2 seasons, dominate the east after Bron gone/declines and put together a team that could run the East for 5+ seasons.

If the Lakers and Nets both suck to top 5 status this year, dude gonna have an embarrassment of riches to decide how he wants to pursue it.

And that's not even considering Tatum, Brown, Zizic and Yabusele.

good shit.

That's minimum

1) Gstate
2) Houston
3) San Antonio
4) Minnesota
5) OKC
6) Portland
7) ???
8) ???

I think Denver, NO, Utah, Memphis and the Clippers are the front runners for both these spots and it'll be competitive. The Lakers, Kings and Suns might improve enough to make that race for #8 even more fun. But #7 is prolly NO's MAX this year and they aren't beating any of the top 3 seeds. Roster isn't strong enough.

Unless NO figures out how to trade for Kyrie without losing AD and Cuz, eh.

But playoff expectations this year are reasonable and he'd deserve some frying if not.

Portland? On paper NO should easily be better than Memphis, Utah, Denver and the Clippers. Blake Griffin has a worse supporting cast but I wouldn't be surprised at all if his team is more successful.



>1) Gstate
>2) Houston
>3) San Antonio
>4) Minnesota
>5) OKC
>6) Portland
>7) ???
>8) ???
>
>I think Denver, NO, Utah, Memphis and the Clippers are the
>front runners for both these spots and it'll be competitive.
>The Lakers, Kings and Suns might improve enough to make that
>race for #8 even more fun. But #7 is prolly NO's MAX this
>year and they aren't beating any of the top 3 seeds. Roster
>isn't strong enough.
>
>Unless NO figures out how to trade for Kyrie without losing AD
>and Cuz, eh.
>
>But playoff expectations this year are reasonable and he'd
>deserve some frying if not.

>On paper NO should easily be better than
>Memphis, Utah, Denver and the Clippers.

memphis is a step down, but the rest of these teams are pretty much on the same tier.

>>On paper NO should easily be better than
>>Memphis, Utah, Denver and the Clippers.
>
>memphis is a step down, but the rest of these teams are pretty
>much on the same tier.

your "all-star backcourt" nonsense aside, that team isn't very good beyond those 2. a lot of below-average players will prolly have to play significant minutes for them this year.

they'll compete for 7/8, but so will other, deeper squads.

y'all not driving me crazy with these pleas in august.

just saying.

won't shock me if they miss tho. i think denver and the clipps are better teams.

>won't shock me if they miss tho. i think denver and the
>clipps are better teams.

better coach. i don't think that rondo-holiday backcourt is going to work at all. i'm not as high on cousins as most (he's good but i'd honestly rather have deandre), and the rest of their players are below average. i'd rather have gallinari, bev and lou willz than any of them dudes, tbh.

i honestly don't think the clippers will even be that much worse. they might finish over okc and portland.

.

at least win in the high 40s

these same bamma fretting that the roster ain't good enough gonna party like crazy when they secure the 8th spot.

>>On paper NO should easily be better than
>>Memphis, Utah, Denver and the Clippers.
>
>memphis is a step down, but the rest of these teams are pretty
>much on the same tier.

Along with like 5 other teams.

They don't have "2 All star guards" by present day standards though. They've both declined. They've got enough to get a 7-8 seed, though.

the board needs to admit that these agendas are personal

and based on some perception that people have of these athletes

that is

AD seems like a nice guy, so people aren't frying him

see Chris Paul

but to answer your question, no, it's not too much to expect them to make the playoffs this year

>the board needs to admit that these agendas are personal
>
>and based on some perception that people have of these
>athletes
>
>that is
>
>AD seems like a nice guy, so people aren't frying him
>
>see Chris Paul
>
>but to answer your question, no, it's not too much to expect
>them to make the playoffs this year


You're suggesting folks are kind to Chris Paul on this message board? Multiple people have fried Chris Paul for various reason on here, and I'm sure the frying will continue when Houston fails to topple Golden State in the playoffs, or even worse if another Western Conference team bounces them out of the playoffs.

which is part of the problem IMO

for a player who set the all-time record for Ls without reaching a CF

the fry should be consensus.

interesting...

http://www.slamonline.com/nba/anthony-davis-wont-work-nba-players/#FPoYVZUUFSSWxLGV.99

add links. The team means you care. It's an agenda.

Don't run from it now or in the future.

Davis with a vaguely healthy team has at least shown something.

they need someone else
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and it's usually bust.

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http://i.imgur.com/v2ye7l2.jpg

This ain't the '80s......The NBA is stretch 4/5 crazy now....

If AD and Cousins make the playoffs it will be BARELY....Because their inside styles of play only work if you have perimeter guards and SF's to keep teams honest and out of the paint....Who is going to make you pay from the outside? Is Rondo or Jrue going to fill it up at the 3 point line?

I don't know any other teams in the NBA with a center/PF tandem that does not shoot 3's making the playoffs....

If somehow Cousins or AD become dangerous 3 point shooters then they can do some damage....But as is, that team is not built for the playoffs....It's a weirdly constructed squad that happens to plays in the West....

This ain't a video game....

They r good, not great "shooters"..And they will need to be great because the rest of that team is pretty mediocre-to-poor perimeter wise.....

That's my point...

dunno about this a center has to shoot THREES shit but they both have range and face-up game. cousins is good putting it on the floor and attacking. you can win with big like them shit you can win with bigs like marc gasol and tim duncan, who are more traditional.

i don't see any issue there, i just see them not having much of a team around these guys and also that cousins has never really done anything but get his on offense in his whole career.

>dunno about this a center has to shoot THREES shit but they
>both have range and face-up game. cousins is good putting it
>on the floor and attacking. you can win with big like them
>shit you can win with bigs like marc gasol and tim duncan, who
>are more traditional.
>
>i don't see any issue there, i just see them not having much
>of a team around these guys and also that cousins has never
>really done anything but get his on offense in his whole
>career.


No...what I'm saying is either one or the other has to shoot the 3 consistently with the current makeup of the team in order for them to make the playoffs....I'm kinda getting to your underlining point....This team is pretty weak perimeter wise....Because of that AD's and Boogie's specific talents won't translate to getting to the post season....

if a team needs perimeter shooters, it should go get them

...oh, except for his rookie year. When he won ROTY over AD in a unanimous vote.

All facts.

And yes, a hypothetical team is better off with Lillard than AD. Nothing against AD at all, great talent, seems like a good guy, hope he does well this year and beyond.


But facts are facts.

#CHI

He leading this team with a post 30's Rondo, a kukoc clone, a UCONN Zombie, a fluke all-star (sorry Jrue) and a journeyman (E'twaun) to the 'offs.

Could have been real easy to fold with this roster.

>He leading this team with a post 30's Rondo, a kukoc clone, a
>UCONN Zombie, a fluke all-star (sorry Jrue) and a journeyman
>(E'twaun) to the 'offs.
>
>Could have been real easy to fold with this roster.

Nobody shed any tears for KG and those bum ass squads he had in Minnesota

https://img.diply.com/article-images/a/3ae30274-14cd-4e99-839d-74af8f656cec.jpg?impolicy=desktop

One of these things is not like the other....

https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.fcgi?request=1&sum=1&player_id1_hint=Kevin+Garnett&player_id1_select=Kevin+Garnett&y1=2001&player_id1=garneke01&idx=players&player_id2_hint=Anthony+Davis&player_id2_select=Anthony+Davis&y2=2018&player_id2=davisan02&idx=players

http://bkref.com/tiny/aG62W

of AD's top 12 teammates in minutes played --

10 had a WS/48 below .100 (8 below .080)
8 had a sub-15 PER
10 had a negative BPM (8 below -1)

he's had a gang of truly horrible teammates. basically 3 good ones (holiday, anderson, and evans)

KG meanwhile (http://bkref.com/tiny/vSsG1) --

5 with WS/48 below .100 (2 below .080)
6 were sub-15 PER
9 had a negative BPM (3 below -1)

marbury, brandon, gugliotta, sczcerbiak, all more productive than basically anyone AD's ever played with (boogie excepted)

10 of the 12 guys AD has played with the most often have been below average. 8 have been horrible.

KG had at least 4 who were legitimately good.

>10 of the 12 guys AD has played with the most often have been
>below average. 8 have been horrible.
>
>KG had at least 4 who were legitimately good.

AD was barely over .500 with the best center in the league and 2 All-Star guards

the wrongness can only get more embarrassing.

taking you seriously

>taking you seriously

tom gugliotta was a western conference all star in 1997 (20.6 ppg, 8.7 rpg, 4.1 apg, 1.6 spg. 1.1 bpg in 81 games played)

wally szczerbiak was a western conference all star in 2002 (18.7 ppg, 4.8 rpg, 3.1 ap, .508 fg%, .455 3p% in 82 games played)

they were both *clearly* better than any non-boogie teammate that brow has ever had. lolz.

you just be saying shit sometimes, dogg. arguing just to argue.

minus the studio thug sh*t.

Brow is in the EXACT same situation.

And Brow is BETTER than KG.

Dude been hating since he came in the league tho:

http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=21&topic_id=101918&mesg_id=101918&listing_type=search#101925

>
>Dude been hating since he came in the league tho:
>
>http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=21&topic_id=101918&mesg_id=101918&listing_type=search#101925

>Somewhere between Serge Ibaka and Tyson Chandler..."
he'll be a defensive presence but he'll never be a 20&10 guy or a go to scorer<

This might be one of the worst assessments in OKS history, this side of Anthony Bennent being LJ.

solid call.

pull up some of your predictions from the Justivity threads

it somehow NEVER gets old

me around and be my cheerleader?

*skatin' the rings of saturn*


..and miles to go before i sleep...

-Possible top 4 seed (probably could have been 3rd seed with Cousins)
-27-21 when Cousins went down, went 20-13 without him
-E'Twaun Moore starts at SG (was their 4th leading scorer until Mirotic was acquired)
-35yr old, Emeka Okafor, who hadn't played in the NBA in 4.5 seasons, started 19 games (of the 26 he's played) for this team
-https://tinyurl.com/betterthankgyr6 (yr 6, same age, same tenure)
-Good shot at beating Utah or Portland in round 1


-Bonus round:
https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/MIN/2001.html
^^^KG's team yr 6

https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/NOP/2018.html
^^^AD's team yr 6

And AD's team has the chance to beat their record. AND KG's team lost in the first round.

I think we can turn off the stove for now.

Smooge is one of the reason they made the playoffs and is one of their bright spots. Watch your mouth

He not a starter dawg. Good bench dude. He was on my Bulls a few seasons ago and I like dude but...he not a starter. Sorry.

Sorry ma'am. Didn't mean to reserve an opinion on your man's comparable abilities to other like-skilled NBAers.

Forgive my transgression to interrupt your day.

You can go back to sniffing his boxers now.

*Turns off burners*
*Takes off apron*
*Sits Chef's Hat on countertop*
*Puts tongs back in drawer*
*Cracks window to let in Chicago WintSpring breeze*
*Sits down in hot a** kitchen as it cools off*
*Sips cup of lukewarm, lemon tea*
*Sip*
*Sip*
...
...
...
*Sip*
...
...
*Looks at 12 pack of Louisiana Brow Wings on the counter*
*Thinks "Prolly not making chicken tonight"
*Gonna know for sure in about 2 games*
...
...
...
*Sip*

>*Turns off burners*
>*Takes off apron*
>*Sits Chef's Hat on countertop*
>*Puts tongs back in drawer*
>*Cracks window to let in Chicago WintSpring breeze*
>*Sits down in hot a** kitchen as it cools off*
>*Sips cup of lukewarm, lemon tea*
>*Sip*
>*Sip*
>...
>...
>...
>*Sip*
>...
>...
>*Looks at 12 pack of Louisiana Brow Wings on the counter*
>*Thinks "Prolly not making chicken tonight"
>*Gonna know for sure in about 2 games*
>...
>...
>...
>*Sip*
>

that's been the only problem with brow since he got to the league. he's always been capable of this level of play, but he hasn't brought the intensity nearly often enough. he's so sick that he can get 28 and 11 per night with 95 percent effort, but he can't be a top 3 player without consistent intensity.

maybe his teammates are just playing better now.

3 yrs ago against the warriors, AD averaged 32 ppg, 11 rpg, 3 bpg, 54% fg. and got swept. because his teammates didn't do shit.

this year, jrue, rondo and niko are balling. AD still AD. and they went up 2-oh on the road.

it's not rocket science. no need to trot out the willie winguyisms. he just needed some help.


>that's been the only problem with brow since he got to the
>league. he's always been capable of this level of play, but he
>hasn't brought the intensity nearly often enough. he's so sick
>that he can get 28 and 11 per night with 95 percent effort,
>but he can't be a top 3 player without consistent intensity.

it's not HIM. He hasn't changed. He's been the constant. His teams have stunk. Now they don't. Not gonna front, I didn't think Jrue could do this...but I'll toot my own horn on the Rondo thing. I called that one early in the free agent post. I knew that shit would work between those two and I knew RR wasn't washed.

that's it. yes, that's more than he has had in the past, but let's not pretend he's surrounded by the warriors all of a sudden.

eye test says the stretch since boogie went down is the best of his career. advanced stats say he hasn't been this good in three years. he's raised his level of play.

team's are best when he does.

As a legit big that can run the floor like a guard with his all-around game he can destroy some of these "small-ball" teams.

wear and tear when you bang with the true centers like gasol, embiid, jordan, etc. is a real thing. pels are smart to protect him from some of that.

center most of the time. Even those dudes you named aren't that physical, you're making it sound like he's got to go out there and bang with Shaq every night lol.

Let gasol post your ass up 20 times in 40 minutes. Tell us how soft the nba is then.

>Let gasol post your ass up 20 times in 40 minutes. Tell us
>how soft the nba is then.

Marc Gasol soft ass ain't doin' shit nowadays that why Fiz had benched his ass

first time hes played more than 80 games since his all star nod

may have been more deserving *this* year than Klay, but no one noticed

now that the Pelicans are winning they are the reasons why lol.

i didn't say they were trash.

i laughed at you calling them all stars when neither had been an all star or played on an all star level for years.

and yes, they're both playing great right today, which is why the pels are up 3-nil.

guys AND Boogie?

you can't just admit that referring to someone as an "all star", present tense, when they haven't made the team in half a decade is dishonest?

that season. Jrue's only 27, Rondo can still play he was just stuck on shit teams.

post? The point was we kill other stars when their teams struggle regardless of who their teammates are. People had crowned AD since day 1 but if he's really going to be included with the elite players he needed to step and win in the postseason plain and simple.

by figure it out I mean having at least a competent backcourt around him

everybody else?

about his team's performance.

But everybody knows how emo you are about your Kenfucky guys so there's really no use in discussing this with you.

But I'm rooting for AD and his team to win. I'm rooting for Dell Demps and Alvin Gentry. I want to seem them be successful.

like you was rooting for him.

You started this agenda. And wanted to win with this agenda.

Shit backfired.

Don't try to be friends now.

Go THAT way.

It was an agenda.

You did it.

This is all on you.

Add this to your pile of L's and chill out.

like whyyyy

zero



some guys are just obvious locks. I'm sure even you knew this




just wanted to take some shots in the dark I guess

Bron, KD, Harden and every other great talent in the league.

And if you really want to go there AD is still not completely off the hook, congrats for finally getting to the 2nd round but most superstars not named Chris Paul are expected to do more than that.

fingernail away from missing 6 games...

Lillard? Westbrook?

https://youtu.be/P2fmZ2C2CdA

point.

struggling and he had his agent try to pull a power move and go ride Lebron's coattails because he couldn't do it on his own says a lot.

AD’s team is struggling.

Nigga Lebron’s team is struggling!

All that shit you pop about Lebron, now you trying to be friends.

All that shit you popped about AD, you were pressed to be friends.

Go be friends with Josh Hart and Javale McGee.

>All that shit you pop about Lebron, now you trying to be
>friends.

Yep just like I was friends with Jeremy Lin and Steve Nash when they were Lakers. If you're on my team you're on my team.

>All that shit you popped about AD, you were pressed to be
>friends.

See above.

he got this

Not a lot of dudes willing to sign up to be Robin

...or even willing to admit they need to fall back into that role...

IMO, it looks like AD saw the writing on the wall

He could be The Franchise in NO, continue to struggle to make the offs, finish in the lottery, and be relegated to a top 10 player that can't get to the promised land

OR

He could give up the cape, put on the robin tights, and get a chip with a Batman

Not a lot of dudes willing to admit they NEED to do that

...and I'm sure there's even less willing to play that role...

Salute to him for being mature enough to recognize and execute a winning strategy

Otherwise, he was next in my air fryer.

Dude looks like he's suffered a game ending injury

at least 3Xs a game

If this was back in the day playoffs...they woulda got him outta there.

ditto for some other guys.

Some people follow teams, some people follow players.

I expect him to continue to get BETTER, he should be just entering his prime now

..you don't get to doubt a player of this magnitude and then gloss over the massive L taken with a throwaway comment, on some:

Nobody:
TT: oh, yeah?! WELL, I'VE GOT MY EYE ON YOU!
AD: *blank stare*

He got it done, mayne. It ain't no more to it. © Biggie

Its too bad we can't get a mobil 1™ commercial out of this.



*skatin' the rings of saturn*


..and miles to go before i sleep...

he get's a pass for the next 5 years? Is there not room for improvement in his game? Did he not have a 2 rebound game in the Finals?

I criticize Lebron, I criticized Shaq and Kobe. One ring doesn't get you a free pass for life in my book. Run it back. At this point you're chasing legacies.

..of course he's gonna need to continue at this pace to be considered among Laker Legends. Clearly we want to see him improve, but this post wasn't about his Laker legacy.

What you're doing is damn-near moving the goal post.

I'm pretty sure he's earned a bit more benefit of the doubt from you at this point.




*skatin' the rings of saturn*


..and miles to go before i sleep...

>..of course he's gonna need to continue at this pace to be
>considered among Laker Legends. Clearly we want to see him
>improve, but this post wasn't about his Laker legacy.
>
>What you're doing is damn-near moving the goal post.
>
>I'm pretty sure he's earned a bit more benefit of the doubt
>from you at this point.

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

you spent years building up a case that has nothing to it now.

it's ok.

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

What does "I'll be on him" mean?
What does "now what?" mean?
What does "getting better" mean?

He's a Top 5 All-NBA player who just won a ring. What strange goalpost are you setting now to try to somehow spin a transparently hollow W in the future? lol

... you mind trying to say specifically what you mean in this post? Or are you going to ask me how the Jaguars are doing next, because it’s easier to Post About Nothing than to actually say something? (The Jaguars are godawful, nuke the whole thing.)

million I want more!

Other Laker fans may be content but we usually get titles in bunches.

I'm going to be on Davis AND Lebron to produce the rest of the time their here.

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

like cmon.. you know damn well what we means.. lol

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

you're at home refreshing his instagram feed, furious.



www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

Here I was concerned that he was going to show up next year playing like Samaki Walker.

I- and all Lakers fans- can now sleep easy knowing that you'll be on him.

Boy, were we worried!

Winning a chip with the GOAT doesn't mean the former
criticisms weren't valid

He deserves props for amazing play

He DOES however, need to become the BEST player on the
Lakers starting, like, now

The discussion USED to be that he's the best player in
the league post-Lebron....he got lapped by Giannis already
and might even get lapped by Luka, etc.

>Winning a chip with the GOAT doesn't mean the former
>criticisms weren't valid

in the league according to the hype. AD is not that. He’s arguably not even a top 5 player in the NBA. He’s been putting up career lows all season.

His career may be at a crossroads now. Tendinosis is a degenerative condition. That means it gets worse not better. That also partially explains why he has looked out of shape most of the season.

This is looking eerily similar to Durant’s situation, the Lakers will probably sit him until after the All-Star break.

I'd like to see what dumbass shit you've been listening to.


www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

Especially given he was playing hurt in the WCF and the finals?

>Especially given he was playing hurt in the WCF and the
>finals?

..not with the principle of what your message states, but the reality of the situation overall. Davis is already on the right trajectory, even if its not the one that the rest of the world would prefer.

While AD may have all the potential in the world (size, athleticism, skill, agility, IQ), none of that guarantees that his preferences always align with his potential. I would LOVE to see Davis spend time with Cap & Hakeem, working on expanding his repertoire in the paint, but I know its not necessarily his preference at this stage of his career. I hope he'll eventually find that balance.

At the same time, he doesn't need to be the outright best player on the roster when your current leader is one of the best in the history of the sport (from any era). He'd be a fool to ignore the fact that his efforts are much more efficient by continuing to support Bron while allowing the natural progression to occur, as the mantle is passed through hard work and execution.

The last dynasty fell because Shaq & Kobe couldn't get on the same page about preparation and execution. While there are arguments to be made for each perspective available, the fact remains that every true Laker fan wishes they could've somehow found the balance to coexist and continue winning.

We all know how that shit ended lol.

Right now, the Lakers have the chance to do something special. They won a championship in the middle of a pandemic and somehow managed to improve in almost every category. That's unheard of in the modern world of professional sports. Y'all can fry him for playing the current position all you want, but if it means continuing to stack championships and establishing the next dynasty, I'm all for it.


*skatin' the rings of saturn*


..and miles to go before i sleep...

Lebron is still Lebron. He's not gonna be better than this year's Lebron (even pre-injury).

AD is one of the best 7-8 players in the league. That's pretty irrefutable. And if you're using an ESPN click-bait article to say he's supposed to be the 2nd best player...I've got nothing for you. That's just dumb behavior.

Anyone saying he was supposed to be better than Curry, Durant, Harden, Giannis (you know...people who won MVPs?) was wrong. He could get there, I guess...but he could also be Kawhi and simply have his profile lifted up by a chip. People SAID Kawhi was the best player in the league after his Raptors chip. What happened there? It was never true to begin with.

Actually Kawhi was...he won a chip with the raptors that year, and took down
Giannis ...And he is a 2 time defensive player of the year.

Name another 2 time championship winner and 2 time defensive player of the year in the league? You can’t

Kawhi was the best player in the world the year he won with Toronto. Facts.

Now since he didn’t win in the bubble where several teams were depleted, fine
he was off last season.....in a bubble season.

But this year the clippers are legit ...even after losing Harrell, Green and Shamet!
They bought in Kennard,Batum and Serge which was an offensive downgrade based on the points that Harrell, Shamet and Green were giving them.

This year Kawhi is 27/6/5... shooting 51 percent from the field and is a high MVP candidate.

Dude come on.

is one where for the Lakers, literally nothing matters until the playoffs.

If AD puts up 21 and 9 in the playoffs and we get bounced, he’ll deserve to get fried.

I suspect that won’t happen though.

cause right now he is an embarrassment to watch

I do remember those agendas in his first year in the league: "When LeBron stops being the best, AD will be the best"

there is no way I see that. That person is Steph Curry for right now, and below that there are some people I see more likely to be there than AD.

Then again, he's probably taking cues from LeGOAT

the title has went through those 3 guys

>I do remember those agendas in his first year in the league:
>"When LeBron stops being the best, AD will be the best"
>
>there is no way I see that. That person is Steph Curry for
>right now, and below that there are some people I see more
>likely to be there than AD.
>
>Then again, he's probably taking cues from LeGOAT

You don’t even deserve him.

He won you guys a chip and has been playing with
a really bad Achilles. And this is your gratitude.

You wouldn’t have shit had he not left the Pelicans.

Name names.
All the names.

He just makes things up.

*skatin' the rings of saturn*


..and miles to go before i sleep...

like he’s torn between the Lakers doing well and being able to say ‘I told you so’ about AD.

this man’s play on the court. In the other post folks are calling him NyQuil lol

I can front I didn’t think think last years title was possible anything beyond that is gravy

And you up this.

Again.

Weird.

Seriously though...AD is going to be a problem for the LAL in a couple of years at this rate

I hope last night wasn’t a sign that Bron’s checking out

He’s got good bball left in him

But project this out a few years

No Bron
AD...worse for wear

Do you think one of these young gunners is going to sign as a FA to save you?

No picks

FA isn’t looking strong this offseason

...just asking... I mean we’re clowning in here...but it can get serious if you want

They lose to PHX in the 1st round...you’re going to hear it all summer

It comes with the cloak.

A loss is gonna suck but whatever. Worth it for even one ring.

AD sponsored by Charmin.

JT is going to look amazing as a 25 year old Laker.

man they can't get old man Bron, crippled @ss AD and turnover machine Wessy out of LA fast enough for me...
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>Lakers fans have seen their team win rings,.. multiple ones,
>even a 3peat.. All championships runs aren't the same.. I'd
>rather have that young nucleus and a chance at a sustained
>run. We're headed back to the lottery next year.

let's not get carried away, I'd still take that 2020 bubble ring over a young nucleus of BI, Zo and Josh Hart lol

The fact that you call it a bubble ring tho.. lol

I just think about all the talent that wasn't resigned or traded during this span..

Randle, Ingram, Ball, Hart, Zubac, Clarkson, Nance Jr, Kuzma, Caruso, Lopez, etc... good lord..

Anyway.. hopefully we get a crop of guys that good going forward we're on a fasttrack to the lottery.
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>The fact that you call it a bubble ring tho.. lol
>
>I just think about all the talent that wasn't resigned or
>traded during this span..
>
>Randle, Ingram, Ball, Hart, Zubac, Clarkson, Nance Jr, Kuzma,
>Caruso, Lopez, etc... good lord..
>
>Anyway.. hopefully we get a crop of guys that good going
>forward we're on a fasttrack to the lottery.

all those dudes you named have 1 ring away from the Lakers between them lol

Randle is the centerpiece on a 10th place Knicks team, Ingram is the centerpiece on the worst team in the West, I love Zo but it took him 5 years to learn how to shoot, Zubac was benched by the Clippers in the playoffs last year, Clarkson took 8 years to find his role as 6th man, Nance Jr is a g-league player without his father's name, Kuzma's numbers are worse as a starter in Washington than as a role player on the Lakers, we made Caruso from an undrafted free agent and he cashed out with a $40mil contract, good for him, Lopez rode Giannis' back to a ring after 12 years in the league and his 3rd or 4th re-invention of himself, he was on his way out of the league when the Lakers signed him, GTFOH with this bs lol

Stop it..

However we could have kept some of that core together and added a top FA / other key players over time and had a much longer run which led to one or more chips. I feel like we could have gotten a lot more out of what we had but we pissed it away for a microwave chip that even half the fanbase gives a side eye..


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>Stop it..
>
>However we could have kept some of that core together and
>added a top FA / other key players over time and had a much
>longer run which led to one or more chips. I feel like we
>could have gotten a lot more out of what we had but we pissed
>it away for a microwave chip that even half the fanbase gives
>a side eye..

LIES! Most real Lakers fan know a chip is a chip lol

but I legit thought we had a 2-3 window to compete for another one and that AD was the superstar building block going forward after LeBron retires.

That would have been worth it for sure.. turns out we're headed back to the lottery soon tho.. I didn't see that happening.


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We probably could have signed him outright, or, at a minimum, given up significantly less in a sign & trade, with better long term financial flexibility and health.

NO dealt like they had us over a barrel and we were anything but. Shit, a deal at the deadline likely would have yielded a better deal on our end.

I don't think this is cut and dry.

I'd still have preferred to let the kids cook , rather than the quantum leap method. And everything we're seeing with AD is what I was concerned about.

But... we got that chip. So I can't really argue with that, because that's hard as hell to get. And given what AD was at the time, joining Brawn, you take that deal every time. My only beef was the heavy picks in addition to the talent grab, and as we can see, that's a detriment to improving our roster- particularly with Russ' deal.

There are several facets to this that I think are perfectly valid.

I just want a team that has a future to build on because this team is going nowhere fast.
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years or EVER

Both things can be, and are true.

There's nothing mutually exclusive about prefering one method- organic growth over time- to another en route to a goal, while acknowlediing that one path was clearly the better option.

that championship has a bigger asterisk on it than the 1999 season


most of the players/teams didn't even want to be there lol

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The city (suburbs) I grew up in, the city I live in, & teams with players who attended the same university as me (Jazz, Rockets, and Spurs too)

Hopefully, EJ gets drafted. I was looking forward to seeing how he does vs Kentucky

when was the last time any of them won anything? I guess since you want to claim the Spurs now they did win 6 years ago, otherwise its been almost 20 years since the Pistons won anything, 25+ plus for the Rockets, they Lakers have multiple championships in that time, sit down.

Pistons kicked the lakers in the teeth both times they met in the finals. That's good enough for me.

I have money invested in the Nets who play 2 miles from me, so I like to see them do well. and I hate the Knicks.

i only care about the other teams as long as TOSU players are on the roster. not that serious.

edit, and i dont like all ohio state players either. deshaun thomas and william buford were selfish assholes.





>when was the last time any of them won anything? I guess
>since you want to claim the Spurs now they did win 6 years
>ago, otherwise its been almost 20 years since the Pistons won
>anything, 25+ plus for the Rockets, they Lakers have multiple
>championships in that time, sit down.

the first time the Lakers played the Pistons in the Fiinals? And you just started claiming the Nets and they won’t win shit either, you're a clown lol

>Pistons kicked the lakers in the teeth both times they met in
>the finals. That's good enough for me.
>
>I have money invested in the Nets who play 2 miles from me, so
>I like to see them do well. and I hate the Knicks.
>
>i only care about the other teams as long as TOSU players are
>on the roster. not that serious.
>
>edit, and i dont like all ohio state players either. deshaun
>thomas and william buford were selfish assholes.
>
>
>
>
>
>>when was the last time any of them won anything? I guess
>>since you want to claim the Spurs now they did win 6 years
>>ago, otherwise its been almost 20 years since the Pistons
>won
>>anything, 25+ plus for the Rockets, they Lakers have
>multiple
>>championships in that time, sit down.
>

LOL You even had the teams I root for committed to memory.

Sorry dude. The lakers won a bullshit championship that no one cares about. That page in history will be skipped bc of all the COVID 19 germs that infest it. No one cares.

Westbrook is gonna get the blame for this team fizzling out and I'm gonna be laughing so hard.


>>
>>
>>
>>>when was the last time any of them won anything? I guess
>>>since you want to claim the Spurs now they did win 6 years
>>>ago, otherwise its been almost 20 years since the Pistons
>>won
>>>anything, 25+ plus for the Rockets, they Lakers have
>>multiple
>>>championships in that time, sit down.
>>
>

because you're still in you're feelings because of a post I made about Mike Conley 10-15 years ago about a league you otherwise care nothing about lol

And I never got banned and had to come crawling begging Cyren for my handle back 😂

I just enjoy battering and deep frying you for your asinine basketball takes.

ie clamoring for an AD trade but shaking your Pom poms and cheerleading for westbrook

>And I never got banned and had to come crawling begging Cyren
>for my handle back 😂

The man himself will tell you that NEVER happened.

>I just enjoy battering and deep frying you for your asinine
>basketball takes.

You barely even posted about NBA basketball before other than stanning for your OSU bums. I can hardly remember you ever in any basketball discussion that doesn't involve those guys. Some dude name ernestlee and others were the prominent Detroit posters I don't remember a peep out of you then and you definitely weren't posting about the Nets then lol.

>ie clamoring for an AD trade but shaking your Pom poms and
>cheerleading for westbrook

I started this post before AD was ever thought about being a Laker. I've been a Russ fan for a long time too.

We all know you got banned and begged outside the gates to be let back in. No need to lie. I would miss this place too.

>You barely even posted about NBA basketball before other than
>stanning for your OSU bums.

NBA discussions were the epitome of low-brow low IQ discussions, fully devoid of logic and nuance on OKP back in the day. It's no wonder you thrived in those threads, and I made limited appearances.

(but I did chime in many times on the Pistons and their shitty drafting and Joe Dumars ineptitude and the whole Iverson era. You and LB's finest were too busy carrying on as Kobe groupies to notice)

>any basketball discussion that doesn't involve those guys.
>Some dude name ernestlee and others were the prominent Detroit
>posters I don't remember a peep out of you then and you
>definitely weren't posting about the Nets then lol.


Did Dangelo Russell play for the Nets then? Did I live in Brooklyn? Was I invested in the Nets? NO.

ask ceej, ernestlee, nipsey, cgonz, soulfunk, RJCC, all of them...I'm regularly in the Michigan and Midwest threads...whether it was red wings or lions or pistons.


I was here before you and I have a better memory than you.

>We all know you got banned and begged outside the gates to be
>let back in. No need to lie. I would miss this place too.

not true either, an overzealous moderator made a mistake and another moderator corrected him.

>>You barely even posted about NBA basketball before other
>than
>>stanning for your OSU bums.
>
>NBA discussions were the epitome of low-brow low IQ
>discussions, fully devoid of logic and nuance on OKP back in
>the day. It's no wonder you thrived in those threads, and I
>made limited appearances.

So OKS NBA discussions are "high-brow" now? Would you like for me to link some of YOUR posts?

>(but I did chime in many times on the Pistons and their shitty
>drafting and Joe Dumars ineptitude and the whole Iverson era.
>You and LB's finest were too busy carrying on as Kobe groupies
>to notice)

You know there are searchable archives right? You weren't any of the Pistons posts during their last title contention that some Detroit posters were trying to call them a "dynasty" lol

>>any basketball discussion that doesn't involve those guys.
>>Some dude name ernestlee and others were the prominent
>Detroit
>>posters I don't remember a peep out of you then and you
>>definitely weren't posting about the Nets then lol.
>
>
>Did Dangelo Russell play for the Nets then? Did I live in
>Brooklyn? Was I invested in the Nets? NO.
>
>ask ceej, ernestlee, nipsey, cgonz, soulfunk, RJCC, all of
>them...I'm regularly in the Michigan and Midwest
>threads...whether it was red wings or lions or pistons.
>
>
>I was here before you and I have a better memory than you.

okayplayer.

>not true either, an overzealous moderator made a mistake and
>another moderator corrected him.

sure pal, no one believes you. you need more people.


>>>You barely even posted about NBA basketball before other
>>than
>>>stanning for your OSU bums.
>>
>>NBA discussions were the epitome of low-brow low IQ
>>discussions, fully devoid of logic and nuance on OKP back in
>>the day. It's no wonder you thrived in those threads, and I
>>made limited appearances.
>
>So OKS NBA discussions are "high-brow" now? Would you like for
>me to link some of YOUR posts?


No, as long as I'm engaged with you, nothing is high brow.

I'm just bored and old now with less shit to do among a global fucking pandemic, plus I'm invested in an NBA team.

Link away buddy, I was 14 when I signed up and even with all my immaturity I never got banned multiple times like you LOL

You behave like a 14 year old now.."youRE nOt A REAL FaN!! pRovE IT!!!"

lmao, like seriously. step back. and take a look at yourself.

>You know there are searchable archives right? You weren't any
>of the Pistons posts during their last title contention that
>some Detroit posters were trying to call them a "dynasty" lol

How much time did you spend searching in the archives for me in old NBA/pistons posts?

LMAOOOO

*long Orbit_Established pause*


you need a hobby.

I was in my undergrad then, and probably a TAD bit busy to be posting about EVERY sport on OKS, I actually attended the school I ride for on OKS, and no smart phones, so yea, my time on a computer was spent typing papers or ignoring you and LB's finest behaving like thirsty women over Kobe.

you a lakers fan from missouri lol. i grew up going to games 12 miles away in the palace of auburn hills.

bye.

you really shook your poms poms for kellen winslow and henry ruggs.....yikesssss

edit BTW, Lakers got washed by a "TOSU bum" btw who went perfect from the field....something westbrick has never done

hahaha


enjoy your friday

and this year's season is essentially illegitimate

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

I bet we win another title or two before any of that young core does in a significant (top 3 on a team)

that last ride was about 10 years of futility
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Quote me on that if the wheels stay on okp that long

and won a chip.

Deron beat frank gore in a fight.

I know which one I'd take.

But AD is still on that hot seat. Ship his ass out (c)

Y’all going to kill each other like a tank full of spiders.

God damn, I love it. Keep it up.

>
>Y’all going to kill each other like a tank full of spiders.
>
>God damn, I love it. Keep it up.

That’s plenty of you fakers nation mofos.

We've always disagreed on all kinds of shit. Lakers included.

I doubt anyone you mentioned "hates" anyone, but nobody is sending Christmas cards or sending invites to the cookout either.

The only ones actually sniping at each other in recent days are TT and guru- who isn't a Lakers fan.

Moreover, this post had nothing at all to do with the Lakers- until AD became one. This post is old as fuck lmao

All you're doing is showing how deranged you are.

>We've always disagreed on all kinds of shit. Lakers included.
>
>
>I doubt anyone you mentioned "hates" anyone, but nobody is
>sending Christmas cards or sending invites to the cookout
>either.
>
>The only ones actually sniping at each other in recent days
>are TT and guru- who isn't a Lakers fan.
>
>Moreover, this post had nothing at all to do with the Lakers-
>until AD became one. This post is old as fuck lmao
>
>All you're doing is showing how deranged you are.
>
>

For as much bickering and snark and whatever else goes on, I've found that very few people harbor any real-animosity. it's just jokes, snark, etc. Hell half the on-board beef on here is due to the inability to properly gauge tone through text, without the verbal and non-verbal cues we use in face to face situations.

Nobody gives a shit about the on-board nonsense off-board.

I'd show up and we'd probably get along just fine.

And yet, this jackass really thinks that Lakers fans are going to eat each other over this wack ass season, as though we were a singular, harmonious hive mind prior to this. We disagree about all kinds of shit- up to and including the AD trade when it happened.

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We will give you Vucci man, and keep it moving.

This dude.
You funny man.

the court.

Because we haven't seen that yet.

n/m

https://fb.watch/a7KdA_7owX/

Giannis the previous night.

Just try to be consistent for ONCE

The lengths you go to not accept an L is…something.

they will?

You taking the Morey shit this hard?

Who gives a fuck about the Morey post? You also said Dejounte wouldn’t be an all star.

Saying “I still don’t think anyone beats a healthy Bron/Ad in the playoffs” is uh…a different universe than saying “gee I hope my team wins the title this year that’d be neat”

You want it both ways. It’s weird.

>Who gives a fuck about the Morey post? You also said Dejounte
>wouldn’t be an all star.

I didn't care about Dejounte then or now.
>
>Saying “I still don’t think anyone beats a healthy
>Bron/Ad in the playoffs” is uh…a different universe than
>saying “gee I hope my team wins the title this year that’d
>be neat”
>
>You want it both ways. It’s weird.

If AD plays like he is capable we can be a problem for anybody but I'm not confident AD will play like he is capable every night even if he is healthy.

I started the post in 2017 and I was happy as hell when he he proved me wrong in 2020 when he helped the Lakers win a title and I will be happy as hell if he proves me wrong again.

I'm a Duke guy, I *love* Brandon Ingram. You don't trade AD in his worst season for Brandon Ingram. That would be so short-sighted. The Lakers defense would immediately become bottom 6-7 in the league if you replace AD with BI.

For Mr Glass

We got the chip and that was the whole reason we got him, so net W.

And I understood at the time that we were trading the unknown, for the known, to maximize Brawn's time here.

But it was also clear at the time that it was a huge gamble to give up as much as we did in terms of draft compensation- especially for a guy who was about to be a free agent.

Rob got bent the fuck over on that one. It's not like AD didn't already have a bit of an injury track record.

And we're now witnessing the ramifications of that deal in a serious way.

He came with a *very* steep cost that, even with that chip, was questionably high.

Were he doing Giannis type work "when healthy", then maybe.

But he's not, and it's not really close.

Dude's a clear #2, and the consistent "when healthy" qualifier that is attached to his name, along with that over the top pick haul, makes him a net encumbrance, instead of a net asset.

Everyone who expressed concern at the price tag at the time was considered crazy.

Well, this is why we were concerned about the price.
And those concerns were very much founded.

welp...

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... he still ain't fit to tie Giannis' Nikes.

Time to cut those losses.

Get whatever we can get this summer.