https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nR71zrXRTmg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TH5oUHUxqcs&t=293s

Phil really outdid himself.

And I don't expect Knick fans or media to talk about it. But, this is a fuckin debacle.

Melo, Amare, and Noah's contracts have hampered them worse than Curry, Houston, etc ever did.

he was a little overpaid, but he earned that deal for the most part

the disaster after he signed it was just shit ass luck

which became Lamarcus and Noah, among other disasters.

But he was terrible and I'm glad he's gone.

Word is griffin didnt take the job cause they wouldn't let him fire Houston and mills. Dolan still loves him some zeke, and seek would still be a knock if it wasn't for the meddling media

if it was strictly up to Mills to make things hard for Griffin or if Dolan gave him orders to keep things pretty much the same in terms of personnel.

Either way, I don't see a big name front office person wanting to take that job since they'd be handcuffed by the current regime, in addition to how dismal to present looks for the team.

he was right before Isaiah and was the absolute worst. they used to call him Bin Layden he was so bad.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/executives/laydesc99x.html

Phil had the closest to a clean slate to start out with, correct? Or did he come to the Knicks around the time of that terrible Bargarni trade? That's in addition to the fact Dolan completely steered clear of Phil outside of when he wanted to boot Porzingis out of NYC.

And no, I don't care enough about the dude to look up the correct spelling of his name.

Everyone who has held control there since Grunfeld (who is no prize but Jesus, by comparison, sure) has been awful. Not only GMs but also Larry Brown, who had considerable control when he was coaching. Thomas was an OK GM in his other two stints, obviously Brown and Jackson were successful in other places/roles, etc. Just a sick culture there, really hard to think of many that match it in pro sports. I guess the Redskins come to mind.

To what he gonna hold on to, and alot of these other dudes think they gonna get what they want, and they dont.

And Phil's success in other places is irrelevant.

Dolan is awful, and alot of these dudes been awful while they were here bc of their own poor decisions

the common thread is being pressed, throwing money at the problem and acquiring names rather than talent.

And he was terrible at his job.

Not sure what we disagreeing about?

meanwhile, knick fans been defending the hardaway deal like it's defensible.

yeah my buddy is an old-time knicks fan and he asked what i thought of the deal. i kind of gave a pregnant pause and he was like "yeah, fuck, i know."

good for hardaway though, that's that generational wealth.

1. Youngster comes into the league, 2nd generation...Pops is a legit HOFer but the brand has been tarnished because Pops is whitelisted.

2. Youngster ends up in the biggest market with the supposed GOAT running the organization and his handpicked guy running the team.

3. Youngster performs ooookay at best in a chaotic situation,little or no development of his game/mentoring forthcoming because his coach is fucking his girlfriend.

4. Young dude leaves town, goes to another city, game develops a bit, but more importantly for him, he is away from that toxic situation.

5. Toxic coach and fake GOAT both gone...organization re-signs Youngster....


Now all that said, Tim Hardaway is no savior....I am not going to sit here and give some hamfisted "look at his Per48!!!" bullshit. I am also not going to sit and say 'They had to do it'. They didn't have to do shit- they probably could luck up on someone from the development league or the summer league who could jack up shots and be a bamma. But dude got fucked over by his coach in NY and they brought him back for a fresh start.

What this move does is establish the beginnings of some professionalism from the front office that has had none since PJax decided he wanted to go back to Idaho of wherever the fuck he fishes. And professionalism means having some kind of fucking integrity about the environment you create for your players. This is a signal to Melo, Yung Kris and whomever else that has been stuck in this shit, that they are not going to treat them like Oakley got treated in MSG. It gives Hornacek, a legit coach, a chance to have a chance in his locker room.

Hardaway could end up being a Lance Thomas...or he could end up being a Spree. Who knows, but he plays like he cares about winning (which admittedly is not the same as knowing how...).

Bc i haven't seen good spin like this since Sonic the Hedgehog

From a finances, "GM" type perspective, its dumb. From a locker room perspective, its a start at rebuilding some trust.

Its not putting anyone in the seats. Its not going to get us in the playoffs. Where the fuck is the spin? To me it reads like someone (probably Mills) understands that money really don't matter for Dolan, so he isn't going to raise an eyebrow at a deal no other team would make...so he did it so he could have a legitimate conversation with Porzingis, who the Knicks actually want to build around, and with Melo, who the Knicks want to trade so they can start putting some pieces together.


There is no spin in that yo. Stop watching Fox.

Only person on the team when fish was allegedly messing with THJ girl is Melo, which they want to trade anyway.

I think zingis would be more impressed with the Knicks spending their money wisely or having an actual plan that might lead to wins