Can't anyone look at Bortles, Tannehill, RG3, et al, and say that just because a guy got drafted early does not mean that he is ready to play in the NFL?

And additionally, you could end up ruining your investment for no good reason!


If he was ready to play, he would be out there. This is probably the only smart thing Fisher has done in the last 8 years.

there's a suspicion that he might just be terrible anyway. Fisher has the job security to sit on the pot for two years while he tries to polish a turd.

Decent smarts, average arm, solid accuracy. Poor Man's Matt Ryan is his ceiling

I think if most any other coach was sitting him I'd say the clamor is silly. But with Fisher, I don't trust his decision making at all, and I'm more willing to believe that Goff is the second coming of Broadway Joe as a result.

>I think if most any other coach was sitting him I'd say the
>clamor is silly. But with Fisher, I don't trust his decision
>making at all, and I'm more willing to believe that Goff is
>the second coming of Broadway Joe as a result.
>
>


Well he liked McNair and didn't like Vince Young so that's two QB things he got right.


Actually the Bradford trade was a good one too. And so was cutting Nick Foles.


What's he got against him? Fucking up Vince Young who he never wanted (which he did eventually do but Young was only ever good with him too so yeah) and..what else?

i say that as the beneficiary of that trade.

>i say that as the beneficiary of that trade.


Logic of the above totally escapes me unless it's year two. If he isn't ready, he isn't ready. You have a valuable asset and should treat it as such.

the whole scenario is just garbage to me as an outsider. i don't like it for keenum, goff or the LA fans. at least send him out in a second half w/ a gimp offense just to see where you're at and how far you have to go.

it's very clear to me either they are worse at bringing a QB along than everyone expected. OR they just flatout whiffed from a scouting & gm perspective.

fwiw i dont think Goff is gonna be shit. if it wasnt for the hype machine i would've never considered him a pro prospect.

Obviously you thought he would be. The existence of a sunk cost should not lead you to misevaluate what you now actually KNOW you have. IF he is talented QB who is not ready for the pro game yet, then you should bring him along carefully. What you thought he was when you drafted him is irrelevant now.

>the whole scenario is just garbage to me as an outsider. i
>don't like it for keenum, goff or the LA fans. at least send
>him out in a second half w/ a gimp offense just to see where
>you're at and how far you have to go.
>

That idea is awful but clearly you don't think much of Goff or care what happens so yeah, from that perspective lol

Cause in basically every other NFL city this would dominate the headlines. Right now in the local media this Goff situation is somewhere behind the Lakers, Dodgers offseason, USC, Raiders, will the Clippers get out the second round, people running into Kobe... who will the Galaxy sign, what's with Josh Rosen, Sparks championship... and then maybe the Rams.

The only thing I'm mad about is that the Rams have ruined our NFL TV schedule by subjecting us to their games every week.

And people are paying more attention to the Raiders? For real?

I think LA in general was fine with the Rams moving here (as long as we didn't really have to pay for the stadium) since everyone's pretty neutral on them while there's an equally loud anti-Raiders contingent to the leftover LA Raider fans.

Both Raider and Rams games are on FM radio here and the Raiders are having almost as many segments on sports talk now that they're doing well. I honestly see Raiders and Rams gear pretty equally though maybe I notice the Raider stuff more cause I am a Raider fan myself.

The most frustration I hear about the Rams are from a couple people I know who've bought Rams tickets that are fans of other NFL teams and wanted to watch games but are stuck watching this horrible offense.

Lakers and Dodgers are still by far king with everyone else coming in behind in some order... it just seems like this Goff story is a bigger story than locally. I swear even Ivica Zubac and Andrew Toles are generating more excitement around town than Goff.

most of my friends are NBA fans and don't really give a shit about NFL. the few that are into the NFL already got their own teams. i'm mostly annoyed that they force Marcellus to talk about them on ESPN radio and it cuts in on Lakers talk

Waiting wouldn't have changed much. RG3 is probably in the same boat but his situation was so unique.

The days of rookie QBs "not being ready" are mostly over. If a guy is going to be a good QB, he is likely ready to at least play in a sheltered offense in his rookie year.

The only caveat is if he's being asked to carry an epically shitty offense with a bad OL. But the Rams OL is fine and they have one of the 5 best RBs in the NFL. Terrible receivers, but OL is perfectly average.

Goff not starting is a sign of Fisher being terrible, Goff being terrible, or both.

>Waiting wouldn't have changed much.

RG3 is probably in the
>same boat but his situation was so unique.
>
>The days of rookie QBs "not being ready" are mostly over. If a
>guy is going to be a good QB, he is likely ready to at least
>play in a sheltered offense in his rookie year.

What is your evidence of this? The failure of QBs who were tossed in the fire and failed? Like Alex Smith? Let alone that now a ton of these guys have never ran a huddle or made real NFL progressions.

So yeah, I couldn't disagree more
>
>The only caveat is if he's being asked to carry an epically
>shitty offense with a bad OL. But the Rams OL is fine and they
>have one of the 5 best RBs in the NFL. Terrible receivers, but
>OL is perfectly average.
>
>Goff not starting is a sign of Fisher being terrible, Goff
>being terrible, or both.

If Goff is not ready, no reason to play him. The Rams lose nothing by waiting and could toss any potential development by not.

>What is your evidence of this?

>>What is your evidence of this?
>
>

That sort of logic doesn't work for me.


It's like saying because Jay-Z came up out the Marcy projects, anyone else with any talent or work ethic also will.

Especially since I already accounted for players who face epically difficult circumstances, which the Rams do not qualify as.

"rookies shouldn't start" is a dated logic that's been mostly disproven over and over again.

>Especially since I already accounted for players who face
>epically difficult circumstances, which the Rams do not
>qualify as.
>
>"rookies shouldn't start" is a dated logic that's been mostly
>disproven over and over again.


Well that is where we disagree. The Rams have average receivers, a below average offensive line , a very good running back and shitty offensive play caller.


There are worse circumstances int he league, but this is not an environment I would expect a QB who is not ready for the NFL to thrive in

Having been subjected to watching at least part of most of their games, Kenny Britt and Lance Kendricks have been surprisingly decent (Tavon Austin cannot catch beyond 5 yards downfield), but their O-line is all sorts of bad and they can't run at all. I don't know how much better they could run if they had a QB that could threaten downfield at all to create some space, but their offensive coaching isn't exactly super creative either.

If Goff can play at all he should at least show some flashes of being able to throw downfield if he played (even if he got pummeled), but I suspect he just sucks.

>Having been subjected to watching at least part of most of
>their games, Kenny Britt and Lance Kendricks have been
>surprisingly decent (Tavon Austin cannot catch beyond 5 yards
>downfield), but their O-line is all sorts of bad and they
>can't run at all. I don't know how much better they could run
>if they had a QB that could threaten downfield at all to
>create some space, but their offensive coaching isn't exactly
>super creative either.
>
>If Goff can play at all he should at least show some flashes
>of being able to throw downfield if he played (even if he got
>pummeled), but I suspect he just sucks.

Kenum certainly has the stronger arm from everything I have seen. However faint praise that might be.

if Goff isn't better than him as a rookie, that doesn't bode will for Goff

>if Goff isn't better than him as a rookie, that doesn't bode
>will for Goff

He is not the worst starting QB in the league, and he definitely is not the reason Rams are treading water.

The Rams other offensive weapons are average at best. Keenum is below average to average.


If Goff is currently not able to beat Keenum out, it makes no sense to play him. They are not 0-8

He is definitely one of the 5 worst starting QBs in the league.

.

The whole "protect your investment" thing is usually a bunch of bullshit. If the QB is good, he's going to be fine whether you throw him in day 1 or wait 2-3 years. If he's not ready, then I question why you would spend a 1st round pick on somebody who is stuck on the bench when your team clearly can't afford that.

If the QB is Brock Osweiler, you can have him watch and learn from Peyton Manning for 3 seasons and he's still gonna be Brock Osweiler. Cases like Alex Smith, Aaron Rodgers, and Steve Young are rare and potentially misunderstood. Alex Smith had a shitty rookie year, but starting his second season he began his journey from slightly below league average to slightly above. Steve Young was on a dumpster fire team in Tampa Bay but immediately came in and was producing at a HOF level in relief for Joe Montana as early as his age 26 season (3rd year in the league - 10 TDs and 0 INTs in 3 starts). I don't think the fact that Alex Smith started day 1 changed the fact that he was always going to be a pretty mediocre QB, and I don't think the fact that Steve Young was riding the bench for several years helped him become a HOF QB.

For every David Carr, there's a Donovan McNabb (didn't start the season as the #1 QB, but was in halfway through the rookie season due to the ineptitude of Pederson)

As bad as the Rams QB play has been so far, Goff mat be their best option at this point if they want to try to save their season from total disaster. I'm pretty sure the fact that they just arrived at Los Angeles is playing into that decision as well.

he's been failing most of the season. they're not gonna make the playoffs. if they do, they'll lose the first game.

nobody trusts fisher to develop QBs, but why not put in the new guy to get him some experience? get ready for next year.

at some point, no matter how much time you learn from the bench, you have to realize that a guy will never get it, or never had it to begin with. Bortles would've sucked no matter when he debuted.

my stance is that a quality NFL quarterback will prove himself by playing, even in the eye of a storm as a rookie. and a mediocre or shit quarterback can take a million practice reps with the ones and never become what you want.

it's like being a very good sprinter and training with Usain Bolt. you can do everything he does, but he's fucking Usain Bolt and you aren't. learning from him ain't making you world-class.

goff played in a big program, wentz didn't, yet wentz was closer to ready. let's not overlooked that the rams offensive line was fucking terrible last year. they fed him to the sharks. not saying they ruined him or he was going to be great--i was never a big goff guy--but i do think there was a very sound argument for sitting him behind someone with more experience. he was basically a tackling dummy back there.

The reason why Wentz was closer than Goff is bc the former ran a pro style offense where he was given a lot of responsibility to make checks, line calls and actually have to make detailed pre-snap reads whereas the latter was given very limited leeway due to the nature of the spread. Additionally, Wentz had a decreased margin for error bc he isn't surrounded by top skill personnel which again translates to higher responsibility.

I'm still not sold on him myself.... I would not have made the trade for the pick...and if so..I would have taken Wentz...

but Goff is looking pretty solid against #1 defenses in pre-season right now..with improved young weapons...and solid offensive coaching staff...

didnt love what i saw but i dont consider it a strong predictor of the future

not what i'm thinking now though.

one of the worst offensive lines i have ever seen at the professional level

Snead is not being handcuffed, anymore.

in the league...

I wouldn't go that far ...

but specific to the offensive side the ball.... the Rams have put Goff in a position to succeed....

there's a different mentality with the entire team now.... things had gotten stagnant...even going back over the last 8 years in St Louis.... then with the move...and Fisher having a sub par staff, particularly on the offensive side.... the change in staff allowed the team to settle in here, and now you are utilizing your young talent on both sides of the ball...

it's early..but this is obviously a much better team, and Goff is in a good position for himself..

even if they had simply fired Fisher and let them coach themselves they'd be twice as good as they were