all the Mayweather vs Rousey nonsense aside, i get the feeling that some of you guys think that a boxer could beat a UFC fighter. most of the comments seem to fall into "the boxer would just knock them out with their superior hands" or some variation of that. i mean i think it's clear that if this was a boxing match the boxer would clearly have the advantage, but otherwise it's not even a fair fight. do some of you think that all fights are basically two people standing there trading shots like Rock'em Sock'em Robots?

Poll question: Boxing vs MMA

Poll result (19 votes) Boxing (10 votes) Vote MMA (8 votes) Vote Depends on the matchup (1 votes) Vote

There isnt a boxer today that could beat a top 10 ranked MMA fighter in his equivalent weight class

Muhammad Ali threw all of 6 punches in a 12 round exhibition with Antonio Inoki

a high level boxer would lose comically to a mediocre MMA fighter in an MMA match
the best MMA fighters in the world would get schooled in the boxing ring by mid-level boxers

anyone who says anything different is just biased one way or the other.

does it really matter?

wonder what bin's doing?
http://i.imgur.com/phECCMp.jpg

>a high level boxer would lose comically to a mediocre MMA
>fighter in an MMA match
>the best MMA fighters in the world would get schooled in the
>boxing ring by mid-level boxers
>
>anyone who says anything different is just biased one way or
>the other.


The grey area in these hypotheticals is what happens in a "regular", "street" fight. Thats what these who would win questions ask right?


In those cases it seems like folks seem to think MMA has the advantage because of its diversity and the fact that most MMA fighters train boxing or some type of striking- because its needed in their sport. On the flip side, very few boxers train specifically for takedowns and grappling-because its not needed in their sport.

I wouldnt sit here and claim MMA would go 100-0
Theres always a chance in any fight that you get caught with a punch and go lights out.

its MMA
sure maybe not 100/100
but probably 99/100

MMA is essentially a sanctioned street fight with a minimal set of rules, so it functions the same as the example above - the best boxers in the world would get trucked by mid-level MMA fighters - on the street or in a cage.

>MMA is essentially a sanctioned street fight with a minimal
>set of rules

while the initial UFC events were billed as anything goes, it's very far from that now. mixed martial arts is just that, a mixture of almost all fighting styles. boxing, wrestling, kickboxing, jujitsu can all be used. just because it's not set to one martial art, doesn't mean there's no rules.

>just because it's not set to one martial art, doesn't mean there's no rules.

thats why i said "minimal" set of rules
and when you compare the MMA rules to those of the indiv disciplines that MMA encompasses, they really are very minimal
in fact, a lot of people from various disciplines who are MMA fighters now talk about how they specifically use techniques from their "world" that are against the rules there because they are too dangerous or effective, which makes them perfect for MMA.

anyway, i was just making the general point that MMA is as close as you can get to the real thing.

just because grappling and kicks are allowed in MMA and not in Boxing doesn't mean that MMA has no rules. there are just different sets of rules. actually you could argue that MMA has more rules than boxing because of all the different aspects invovled.

fouls in MMA:
-Holding or grabbing the fence
-Holding opponent’s shorts or gloves
-Butting with the head
-Biting or spitting at an opponent
-Hair pulling
-Fish-hooking
-Intentionally placing a finger into any orifice, or into any cut or laceration of an opponent
-Eye gouging of any kind
-Groin attacks of any kind
-Downward pointing of elbow strikes (see Elbow strike)
-Small joint manipulation
-Strikes to the spine or back of the head (see Rabbit punch)
-Heel kicks to the kidney
-Throat strikes of any kind, including, without limitation, grabbing the trachea
-Clawing, pinching, twisting the flesh or grabbing the clavicle
-Kicking the head of a grounded opponent (see Soccer kick)
-Kneeing the head of a grounded opponent
-Stomping on a grounded fighter
-The use of abusive language in fighting area
-Any unsportsmanlike conduct that causes an injury to opponent
-Attacking an opponent during a break
-Attacking an opponent who is under the care of the referee
-Timidity (avoiding contact, consistent dropping of mouthpiece, or faking an injury)
-Interference from a mixed martial artist's cornerman
-Throwing an opponent out of the ring or caged area
-Flagrant disregard of the referee’s instructions
-Spiking an opponent to the canvas on his or her head or neck (see Piledriver)
-Attacking an opponent after the bell has sounded the end of the period of unarmed combat

When a foul is charged, the referee in their discretion may deduct one or more points as a penalty. If a foul incapacitates a fighter, then the match may end in a disqualification if the foul was intentional, or a "no contest" if unintentional. If a foul causes a fighter to be unable to continue later in the bout, it ends with a technical decision win to the injured fighter if the injured fighter is ahead on points, otherwise it is a technical draw.

not doing this.

Have a MMA fighter throw some proper leg kicks on a boxer with no knowledge of checking leg kicks and watch the boxer's knee on the leading leg get turned to pulp.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lpl_7w8-jTE

Love the captions, can't do volume here at work

really crazy shit, both fighters showed grit for days

That must have left a lifelong impression on Duke seeing his brother's knee getting torn apart like that. Seeing that stretcher almost makes that look like an 80's martial art movie. Gives good insight into why Anthony Pettis is as good as he is. I wonder how detailed and how long CM Punk is going to train with Roufus Sports before stepping into the octagon.

The ROufus' from all accounts seem to really act like 80's martial arts villains though.


Would have loved to see that leg without pants. SHit musta looked worse than Faber vs Aldo

Opposite hasn't occurred yet...at least I'm not aware of it...

if not, then it's not really a point worth making.

And randy couture was at the end of his time when he fought Toney...

you may see him box when he retires

it's pretty clear that most of the athletes would prefer not to stand and strike.

With a few exceptions, MMA fighters look like a shark out of water when standing
on their feet and trading, and prefer to just grapple, hold, and hunt for submission
holds on the ground. So the argument is really moot.

MMA fighters aren't as multi-dimensional as many purport. While they (allegedly)
bring a plethora of mastered disciplines into the octagon, at the end of the day -
it's a ground-fight of grappling/wrestling.

So this is basically like saying - "who would win, football players or basketball players?"

two entirely diff. sports.

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Silva / Diaz barely went to the ground at all.

Pettis, McGregor, Jon Jones, are ELITE strikers. There are really a lot of good strikers out there.

MMA fighters work with four limbs, (not to mention elbows and knees) and backfists and other striking that is illegal in boxing (also defensive striking like destructions which Weidman used in blocking Silva's kick resulting in a broken leg). That's before they get to the grappling and wrestling and jiujitsu.

They are clearly not as specialized as boxers and not as adept at pure boxing, but they are most definitely more multi-dimensional. They have to be in that many of them have different strengths / backgrounds. Where else can a muay thai guy with a judo black belt fight a BJJ guy with some striking skills? To say everybody wants to grapple is really not realistic. Many fighters will make a point of standing and striking.

I just don't buy that it's as multi-dimensional as purported.

I saw an interesting data-point which showed just how much
of the mma/ufc fight occurs on the ground, and it reflected that
something like 75-85% of the fight is fought on the ground -
and this was amongst the elite fighters. The less elite the fighters were, the higher
% of the fight was fought on the ground.

I think it would do the sport wonders to more aggressively break up long periods
of ground grappling and re-set fighters on their feet, even though that just means
that they will tumble to the ground shortly after through each subsequent break-up.


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the refs stand the guys back up after a throw

This organization from LI EFC does some amateur fights here in NY. It's cool because they break up the program into grappling, muay thai, and MMA sections, so you can see both arts united at the end. All of the fights I saw had a decent balance of grappling and striking, and this is from somebody who is similar to a lot of americans in preferring to watch more stand-up. Could be that there are less brazilians and other backgrounds in the local amateur scene that specialize in BJJ and the like.

I think K-1 rules break up fights after too much time on the ground, not sure, but there are definitely leagues that make that effort.

because of that facet of the officiating.

>This organization from LI EFC does some amateur fights here in
>NY. It's cool because they break up the program into
>grappling, muay thai, and MMA sections, so you can see both
>arts united at the end. All of the fights I saw had a decent
>balance of grappling and striking, and this is from somebody
>who is similar to a lot of americans in preferring to watch
>more stand-up. Could be that there are less brazilians and
>other backgrounds in the local amateur scene that specialize
>in BJJ and the like.

that's a dope way to break up the programs. Sounds like a lot
of fun training like that, too.

>


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i understand that there's an art to the ground wrestling stuff and i can somewhat appreciate it but it's awful to watch for me

They have been putting on some great fights

>it's pretty clear that most of the athletes would prefer not
>to stand and strike.
>
>With a few exceptions, MMA fighters look like a shark out of
>water when standing
>on their feet and trading, and prefer to just grapple, hold,
>and hunt for submission
>holds on the ground. So the argument is really moot.
>
>MMA fighters aren't as multi-dimensional as many purport.
>While they (allegedly)
>bring a plethora of mastered disciplines into the octagon, at
>the end of the day -
>it's a ground-fight of grappling/wrestling.
>
>So this is basically like saying - "who would win, football
>players or basketball players?"
>
>two entirely diff. sports.
>
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and is surging back in popularity, and now is going to expand its base
via a new cable-network platform.

the sport doesn't need to defend itself against UFC (which is a fine product
in its own right - but it's not boxing).

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But that doesn't have any relevance to your initial point.

even strike based fighters spend the majority of their training time doing ground work and sprawling
you can do well in MMA with virtually no stand up ability
you have to at least be defensively adequate on the ground to stand a chance of being competitive

theres such a range of fighters. Guys who aree BJJ and wrestling specialists spend a lot of time working stand up to try and balance things out. One example --A lot of Ronda Rousey's recent work has been on boxing because her judo base is so strong.

>theres such a range of fighters. Guys who aree BJJ and
>wrestling specialists spend a lot of time working stand up to
>try and balance things out. One example --A lot of Ronda
>Rousey's recent work has been on boxing because her judo base
>is so strong.

Sure - but where is the fight fought in her fights? on the ground. you may get
5-10% of the action standing up/striking if you're lucky. Which is the point:
sure, they may train standing up and work on their striking/boxing, but it's
largely abandoned because of the nature of the sport where the less proficient
striker immediately goes for a take-down to bring the fight to the ground. It's
inevitable because of the structure of the sport, regardless of how good one of
the fighters may be on their feet.

But the point stands: the vast majority of the fighters in UFC are not elite-level
strikers -- the best fighters are, but there's a whooooole lot of guys/girls who
resort to grappling/ground game.


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Im gonna try and keep a timer. Again I think most championship fights these days and ones with top contenders end up on the feet. Guys are so well versed in ground technique that subs are harder to come by. You can really get an advantage by sharpening up your striking.


My eye test and memory tells me lots of fights these days spend a majority of the time in stand up--but I dont have any data.

All the data I could find is on takedown % and total fight time (if your curious)
http://www.fightmetric.com/fighter-stats

They should keep a stat for % of fight standing vs on the ground. Kind of like Time of possession in football.

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if you are saying this
i'm not talking about the elite 1% of fighters who have been training for 20 yrs and just fine tuning specific aspects for an upcoming fight
walk into whatever gym is near by you and 40 minutes of the hour of training will be ground work and sprawling
10 minutes warm up and maybe 10 minutes striking/bag work if you are lucky
some places have separate days for thai/striking but that's usually supplemental stuff

My experience from all of them is that classes are for specific types of combat, e.g. wrestling, boxing, kickboxing, jiu jitsu, etc, and then there are one or two classes per day that are actually MMA.

Those classes have some drilling, but I find are mostly for sparring.

>if you are saying this
>i'm not talking about the elite 1% of fighters who have been
>training for 20 yrs and just fine tuning specific aspects for
>an upcoming fight
>walk into whatever gym is near by you and 40 minutes of the
>hour of training will be ground work and sprawling
>10 minutes warm up and maybe 10 minutes striking/bag work if
>you are lucky
>some places have separate days for thai/striking but that's
>usually supplemental stuff
>

This was a goalpost shift and its still wrong

lets address first that it looked as if we were talking about MMA fighters (Trey even had a number of high profile fighters) and not going to your local MMA gym to take a fucking class. So MAYBE I wronfully assumed we were talking about fighter training. Fighters in the MMA train on their own, they generally arent taking the MMA class with general pop at their gyms.

Next it depends on the class and what the instructor specializes in. There are a couple places in brooklyn where the MMA class is Muay Thai based with sprawling and basic ground work. Theres no formula. Like dude said above a lot of places have specialized classes. If you go to a no gi MMA class at a BJJ dojo, of course the focus will be on the ground. How many gyms have YOU been to? A lot of times MMA class done more for fitness at your local Tiger Schulman's and such.

Bottom line youre wrong and we werent even fucking talking about GP classes at your locla mcdojo. We were talking about how pro fighters train--and I was specifically focusing on top level fighters in he UFC or other tier 2 promotions.

spend the majority of their fight camps training their weaknesses. So if your experience is that fighters spend most of their time working grappling technique, I'd wager that's bc they are better at striking than grappling.

The ones who don't tend to be the guys who don't evolve, and I'd say don't do as well.


>you can do well in MMA with virtually no stand up ability
>you have to at least be defensively adequate on the ground to
>stand a chance of being competitive



I think that's twofold: It depends on who you're fighting, and it shows how extremely difficult it can be to escape mount or any superior grappling position while they are punching you in the face.

Their base may not be striking but where they spend a lot of their fights is stand up. Not traditional boxing which seems may be what people are calling (stand up), but a mix of boxing, kickboxing, Muay Thai, Karate, Taekwondo and other martial arts.


What you guys are talking about MIGHT be true with mid to lower tier guys.

But most of the top fighters these days in the UFC are dangerous and very good strikers who use their ground art defensively or to keep thigs standing up. Most of these guys aside from maybe Cain (and thats debateable)--are not the fighters who take you down and lay and pray.


Heavyweight United States Cain Velasquez Dec 29, 2012 2
Wrestler

Interim Champ Fabricio Werdum is equally dangerous on the ground as a BJJ guy and a Striker as a Muay Thai guy. He knocked Mark Hunt out with a flying knee.


Light Heavyweight United States Jon Jones Mar 19, 2011 8
Jon Jones has a wrestling base but as a MMA fighter id say he's known for his diverse array of strikes. He uses his wrestling mostly to sprawl against guys that want to take him down at this point and the occasional throw--which he doesnt even do much anymore



Middleweight United States Chris Weidman Jul 6, 2013 2
Chris Weidman again is a wrestler, but in recent fights has shown his ability to standup.

Welterweight United States Robbie Lawler Dec 6, 2014 0
Lawler is a guy who consciously tries to stay on his feet against most fighters.


Lightweight United States Anthony Pettis Aug 31, 2013 1
Striker who has great Defensive BJJ off his back when he gets taken down. Would much rather stand up



Featherweight Brazil José Aldo Nov 20, 2010 7
Striker with great BJ skills. Would much rather stand up.


Bantamweight United States T.J. Dillashaw May 24, 2014 1
Wrestler with good standup who has KOd 4 of his last 6

Flyweight United States Demetrious Johnson Sep 22, 2012 5
Striker who uses his footspeed to go in and out along with defensive wrestling.

Dana White cuts guys who lay and pray and only look to clinch and hug their opponent for the most part. A highly effective guy that's an example of this is Jon Fitch. And then there Ben Askren who was effectively booted from Bellator despite the fact he was their welterweight champion and pretty much ignored by the UFC because he primarily operated on the ground.

Vex could be right in that lower tier promotions have guys that primarily lay and pray their way to victory, but as of late, top caliber guys don't advance using that strategy.

I don't discount the tremendous strikers in UFC/MMA - of course they exist -
and the elite guys you and Shawn referenced obviously are proficient on their
feet, but I want to see *more* of that - much more of it. But I also realize
that's my preference, though I would wager that it's also the preference of
most fight fans who tune into UFC. It's just more dynamic and exciting to
watch the reflexes and precision striking that comes with fighting on your feet.

Yes, I realize that 'most fights end up on the ground' - but I don't tune into
professional boxing/mma to watch an ordinary street fight. I want to see all
of those disciplines showcased in greater balance. As an admittedly casual
UFC fan, every time I tune in -- most of the cards feature such a predominate
amount of grappling/wrestling that the moments of precision striking seem to
be much too rare. But again, it's all about preference. I have been a big Jones
fan because I feel he's one of the truly balanced fighters out there who really
can dominate on his feet in the higher weight classes. Obviously Silva before
him was a gem, but i just think it's not emphasized enough in the sport.




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You actually strike me as someone who would really enjoy BJJ and be good at it--given your fitness. commitment, and love of strategy and thinking. Nit that boxing doesnt emphasize those things --but a pure BJJ atch is the closest thing to a physical chess match you can get.


>I don't discount the tremendous strikers in UFC/MMA - of
>course they exist -
>and the elite guys you and Shawn referenced obviously are
>proficient on their
>feet, but I want to see *more* of that - much more of it. But
>I also realize
>that's my preference, though I would wager that it's also the
>preference of
>most fight fans who tune into UFC. It's just more dynamic and
>exciting to
>watch the reflexes and precision striking that comes with
>fighting on your feet.
>
>Yes, I realize that 'most fights end up on the ground' - but I
>don't tune into
>professional boxing/mma to watch an ordinary street fight. I
>want to see all
>of those disciplines showcased in greater balance. As an
>admittedly casual
>UFC fan, every time I tune in -- most of the cards feature
>such a predominate
>amount of grappling/wrestling that the moments of precision
>striking seem to
>be much too rare. But again, it's all about preference. I
>have been a big Jones
>fan because I feel he's one of the truly balanced fighters out
>there who really
>can dominate on his feet in the higher weight classes.
>Obviously Silva before
>him was a gem, but i just think it's not emphasized enough in
>the sport.
>
>
>
>
>-->

I have not - always wanted to try it, though.

Recommend any spots in the NorthEast?

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http://www.bjjdc.com/luis-pantoja

It seems like in the area the best schools are

Yamasaki
50/50
Lloyd Irvin

You can find specifics and locations on yelp
I know someone who trained at Yamasaki and really liked it. It had less of a MMA vibe and more of a BJJ vibe if that makes sense.


In NYC the most well known school is Renzo Gracie's school which is by Penn Station


Most places offer free trial classes.

Its suuposedly addicting, Several people I know got wrapped up quick in going 5 days a week lol.

Here's Bourdain's Piece on his BJJ addiction

BRAZILIAN JIU-JITSU IS LIFE

Anthony Bourdain trains with Igor Gracie.

I'm like all of these other sick fucks out there. If I don't train, I'm like going through drug withdrawal.

Stephie Daniels: You recently skipped New York traffic to take a helicopter to BJJ practice. How did that come to pass?

Anthony Bourdain: You asked me a couple years back if I would ever train, and I said to you, "Hell no!'" Now, I'm like all of these other sick fucks out there. If I don't train, I'm like going through drug withdrawal. I feel miserable and worthless if I miss a single day. I've been going a lot. I'm not commuting to NY every day like Ottavia, but given the opportunity to fly in for family training day, it made perfect sense to me.

Basically, for the last year, every day that I'm not shooting, I'm training. From the last day of the show, I've been training at Renzo's every single day, sometimes two sessions a day. Sometimes in regular class with the general population, and then again in a private session to figure out what I fucked up in class.

Stephie Daniels: A couple of years ago you were totally against learning the art, then this past Christmas you caught the bug and had started training. Now you're a full blown BJJ addict. You've come full circle, it would seem.

Anthony Bourdain: I have reasonable expectations. I am a white belt. There's not a single thing for me to be proud of when I walk out onto the mat, but I am really having a good time. I've discovered that it's a lot like writing. I think that they appeal to the same part of my brain.

If I have a good writing day, I get up and write for an hour or two or three, after which I basically paint myself into a corner or up a tree. I can't go any further. I'm out of ideas. I don't know where I'm going to go next. I've created a problem for myself by not being able to continue. The rest of the day I'm thinking about how am I going to fix this and what am I going to write tomorrow.

When I go to the gym, inevitably, as happens in jiu-jitsu, you are presented with a series of problems, which chances are, you do not solve . When I finish at the gym, I'm thinking for the rest of the day about how I can go in the next day and suck a little bit less than I did today.

I don't really have a goal in mind. I'm just looking to suck a little bit less every few weeks.
bourdain
Anthony Bourdain with Rener Gracie.

For me, I don't really have a goal in mind. I'm just looking to suck a little bit less every few weeks. It's very satisfying when something actually clicks and I can see improvement. When I don't spend an entire hour squashed on the mat, that's very satisfying.

It's much more about the creation of new problems that's maybe even more interesting to me than any notion that I'm going to get somewhere in particular. I'm really liking this endless process. They're also nice people. They're very supportive. I'm 58 years old and I was in shit shape when I started, and now I go home feeling good. It's physically the hardest thing I've ever done, and I love it.

Stephie Daniels: What was it like for you in the beginning?

Anthony Bourdain: I had a really hard time. I mean, my first classes where I went into the general population...the first few classes and the warm-ups just destroyed me. The warm-up was the most terrifying part of the class. I didn't mind getting squashed by a guy 1/3 my age, you know, some high school wrestler with a sadistic streak . That wasn't frightening at all to me. It was the fucking warm-up and the idea of sitting there gasping for air and struggling to not vomit off to the side of the room.

Getting through that certainly feels a lot better, and yeah, I'm probably in a lot better shape. The thing is, I'm not fighting time here. I'm not going to be 30 again. I understand these things. Again, I have very realistic and limited expectations of where I'm going to be with this. I don't even care where I'm going to be. I just know that I'm really enjoying this ride.

Stephie Daniels: You compared BJJ to writing earlier. Do you find any similarities with cooking, or is that too far removed?

Anthony Bourdain: They're very different. Cooking is a very instinctive thing and it's also about multi-tasking. It's about doing the same thing the same way over and over. I don't really see a lot of similarities with cooking other than repetition, repetition, repetition. You learn to cook by doing the same thing over and over and over again, until it's second nature. You know when a piece of steak is done just by listening to it, or there's a little internal alarm you have where you just know when it's done.

If you were to stretch it a bit, I guess you could say you could sense an omaplata coming in much the same way. I'm still at the point where I'm not seeing stuff. Again, I'm a white belt. I'm still spazzing out about how to breathe and when to use my energy. Right now, I don't know anything, but I'm looking forward to maybe someday knowing something.

Stephie Daniels: I saw that you finally christened your gi with some blood. Did you frame that or did Ottavia the Laundry Machine swoop down and wash it?

Anthony Bourdain: I didn't even know until afterwards. It was nothing, a tiny little nick. When you're all into your session, you don't even realize it. Nobody even told me about it until afterwards. The guys didn't think I seemed to mind it so they didn't tell me until the end. We were having a good day.

If I'm still around at this point and haven't been seriously injured, that's a good thing.

There are a few bad days, but mostly they're good. If I'm still around at this point and haven't been seriously injured, that's a good thing.

Stephie Daniels: This has really become a family affair for you guys. I saw your daughter got a special belt, you added another stripe to yours and Ottavia has been at this for three or four years now.

Anthony Bourdain: I think she was surprised that I actually started doing it. It is a family thing, but we're all sort of going at it for different reasons and I think we're all getting different things out of it. I think it's also something to note that often, I will be training in the same room as my daughter . You always have to be humble in jiu-jitsu because there's always someone better than you at any level.

I often find myself training and looking across the room at my little seven-year-old training the same moves and executing them with impeccable grace and flawless technique. It definitely puts me in my place. If I think I'm having a good day, I look over at my daughter, doing a flying armbar, it's both exhilarating as a dad, and humbling as a fellow practitioner .

>In NYC the most well known school is Renzo Gracie's school
>which is by Penn Station

I don't train BJJ, but you can't mention BJJ and NYC without mentioning the jiu-jitsu God named Marcello Garcia.

I just saw its 3 blocks from my job...im seriously considering it.

any sort of martial arts here in NYC. So damn expensive. But back to the point of this response; after seeing him roll with Eddie Bravo and dominate him while giggling with a smile on his face, it's hard not to have respect for him. I would link the video up, but I don't look at youtube clips at work.

cant do both...

Bt I know enough about lifting and crossfit that I can do that part of my training on my own.

because I have gym days and my other martial arts classes to balance out

It's gonna get a little crazy if I try to commit to more than a few times a month

That said - I forget the exact figure - but someone who trained there told me his dues are somewhere around $225-275/month.

edit: nvm, it's on his website. The different options fall within the range I previously mentioned.

For comparative purposes, I pay $81/month after a 10% discount as a grad student. I train under a 2nd degree black belt, who I think will get his 3rd degree this year.

Id be pushing like shit to get to Fundamentals 2 so I could get to do 2 a days.

with Class One MMA near Barclays Center. For that you can take a gang of different classes plus use the gym for conditioning and training.

Plus you can't do Fundamental 1 without a Gi and a Gi costs $130 (just called these guys to ask)

Moya gis

I used to train at crossfitsouthbrooklyn right around the corner but with kid #2 I cant get over there as much.

Marcelos place is liek a 3-5 min walk from my job and they got classes all day.

Plus everything I read about that place is top notch. Im hoping you dont have to buy their Gis. Everything else they do from advertising actual prices goes against the grain of typical mcdojo structure including no pay for registration or belt promotion

Anyone with a fair amount of BJJ experience knows about Marcelo, and most of us would kill for the opportunity to train with him. As long as you can afford it, don't get caught up in having to buy his gi or whatever. A lot of schools require you wear their gi, it's not that unusual. $130 for a gi is a very reasonable price anyway, and I don't doubt that they are well made, probably by a prominent company.

This is like trying to decide if you want to go train with Lebron or not.

I dont mind having to buy their Gis though I dont generally like places that do that--its not a dealbreaker.

Looking at pics, I dont think its mandatory--people seem to be wearing all kinds of gis.

But yea I just paid for a month at my current gym so I gottw wait out March. April is also perfect cause itll be warmer.

One of my boys opened a Crossfit gym in brooklyn. Ill ask if I can use their plae to just lift on my own for a nominal fee

I don't have my own or a hookup so I'll probably have to go with theirs.

http://marcelogarciastore.com/collections/gis-kimonos
$135 isnt bad


If youre interested ill ask my boy how wide they can extend the hookup.
He said for me its 25-50% off.
at 25% off youre probably better off getting the academy Gi. If I can get 50% then it becomes a nice deal.
http://www.moyabrand.com/adult-gis/

How soon are you thinking about starting?
I think I gotta wait til April 11 when I get back from Cali.

Finish this month of gym membership I bought up, go to cali and start when I come back--though I may do the trial classes before then. Did you ask if they have gis you can borrow for the trial classes?

a month it seems steep

Fuck it I might cut out cardio day lol

>http://marcelogarciastore.com/collections/gis-kimonos
>$135 isnt bad

That blue academy gi goes hard. Not sure if I can rock that as a beginner

>If youre interested ill ask my boy how wide they can extend
>the hookup.
>He said for me its 25-50% off.
>at 25% off youre probably better off getting the academy Gi.
>If I can get 50% then it becomes a nice deal.
>http://www.moyabrand.com/adult-gis/

I checked out the site. Very nice stuff. I doubt your boy would hook me up for the max of what he would hook you up for. Plus I'm not trying to be the asshole n00b that comes through with the fancy out of school stuff lol.


>How soon are you thinking about starting?
>I think I gotta wait til April 11 when I get back from Cali.

Going to try to stop by there next Thurs. for the trial. If anything I'll post back to confirm.

>Finish this month of gym membership I bought up, go to cali
>and start when I come back--though I may do the trial classes
>before then. Did you ask if they have gis you can borrow for
>the trial classes?

Yep, they said for the trial classes you don't need a gi,just wear regular gym clothes.

>a month it seems steep
>
>Fuck it I might cut out cardio day lol

Yea may cardio right now is biking to work.
Ill have to dig for a place to lift--but given my schedule I may just have to dedicate to doing more bodyweight/kettlebell stuff at home. Maaaan if I lived back home, id have a squat rack in the backyard easy.


>
>>http://marcelogarciastore.com/collections/gis-kimonos
>>$135 isnt bad
>
>That blue academy gi goes hard. Not sure if I can rock that as
>a beginner
>
>>If youre interested ill ask my boy how wide they can extend
>>the hookup.
>>He said for me its 25-50% off.
>>at 25% off youre probably better off getting the academy Gi.
>>If I can get 50% then it becomes a nice deal.
>>http://www.moyabrand.com/adult-gis/
>
>I checked out the site. Very nice stuff. I doubt your boy
>would hook me up for the max of what he would hook you up for.
>Plus I'm not trying to be the asshole n00b that comes through
>with the fancy out of school stuff lol.
>
>


Yep lol. I love that California Son gi, but cant wear that into a first class as a new guy. Id probably just get the standard issue and reward myself with a nicer gi when I actually get a promotion.


>>How soon are you thinking about starting?
>>I think I gotta wait til April 11 when I get back from Cali.
>
>Going to try to stop by there next Thurs. for the trial. If
>anything I'll post back to confirm.


yea if you go let me know how it goes. Where do you lift at again? Somewhere in the Bromx?
>
>>Finish this month of gym membership I bought up, go to cali
>>and start when I come back--though I may do the trial
>classes
>>before then. Did you ask if they have gis you can borrow for
>>the trial classes?
>
>Yep, they said for the trial classes you don't need a gi,just
>wear regular gym clothes.
>

>Yea may cardio right now is biking to work.
>Ill have to dig for a place to lift--but given my schedule I
>may just have to dedicate to doing more bodyweight/kettlebell
>stuff at home. Maaaan if I lived back home, id have a squat
>rack in the backyard easy.

Fridays is my cardio I just run 4 miles real quick on the treadmill. I used to do 10 miles a week but JKD has made it so I do weights Mondays (2 1/2 hours chest, back, legs, arms, shoulders), JKD weds or thurs (looking to do both starting soon) and run on Friday.


>Yep lol. I love that California Son gi, but cant wear that
>into a first class as a new guy. Id probably just get the
>standard issue and reward myself with a nicer gi when I
>actually get a promotion.
>
>

>yea if you go let me know how it goes. Where do you lift at
>again? Somewhere in the Bromx?

Definitely, I'll let u know. And my gym is near my job in Manhattan at NYSC, i get hooked up with a membership.

There's maybe 2 other gyms I'd want to train at as much in the US (Atos and Univ of JJ). AOJ is also really cool, but not sure I'd be a good fit.

Have fun, bc there's plenty of us who can only dream.

Since you guys are geeking out on kimonos, I have this bad boy being delivered today:
http://store.scramblestuff.us/collections/bjj-gi-kimono/products/scramble-athlete-kimono-white

>There's maybe 2 other gyms I'd want to train at as much in
>the US (Atos and Univ of JJ). AOJ is also really cool, but
>not sure I'd be a good fit.
>
>Have fun, bc there's plenty of us who can only dream.
>
>Since you guys are geeking out on kimonos, I have this bad boy
>being delivered today:
>http://store.scramblestuff.us/collections/bjj-gi-kimono/products/scramble-athlete-kimono-white
i can see how people get addicted to buying gis



How long have you been doing bjj? Where do you train? What belt are you?
At the end of the day that $80 a month sounds mighty good too.

Maybe we can start a semi regular bjj post.

I was watching that video or Marcelo rolling with Ben askren-- that was some beautiful bjj

>How long have you been doing bjj?


June will make 5 years for me. When I first started I trained 5-6x/week. Now I have a wife and son, grad school, etc so now it's more like 3-4x/week.


>Where do you train?



Prefer not to say; I like my internet anonymity. No offense.


What
>belt are you?



Blue. I started thinking I was ready for purple around last fall, but I'm realizing my instructor has fairly high standards. I say that based on my experiences visiting other gyms; I've probably trained at 12-15.




>
>Maybe we can start a semi regular bjj post.
>



Someone should do it now, so this thread can die.



>I was watching that video or Marcelo rolling with Ben askren--
>that was some beautiful bjj



Man, I watch an absurd amount of BJJ/MMA footage. More than I watch TV or movies.

I love when stuff comes in the mail

Got some shin pads and my Ikusa 7 oz gloves in the mail on wednesday

You bet your ass I was wearing them on the couch, watching Jack Ryan

My girl was disgusted

I know a dude that used to practice at a school in chinatown but moved to Maryland

my school in midtown is a better fit for me

What belts do all of your guys in this sub-thread have?

We just got mats at my jkd school so we started working on basics recently. We don't have belts in the school. But we've done just kickboxing, trapping, locking, and kali (knives and sticks)

Ive never done a grappling art. Last time i was interested in 2008 I worked and lived in BK and couldnt find a good school and ended up getting into Crossfit.

Aside from that my only experience is rolling and fucking around with some of my boys back home who are pretty high level wrestlers.

Id actually love to get into Judo but having trouble finding a good school that works around my schedule/proximity

Here's the video I was referencing earlier: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t47_Urqs-RM.

Props to Eddie Bravo for being humble enough to post a video of himself getting his ass whooped.

good looking out.

Yea i'm in DC a lot, but also in NYC and the Boston area at present as well.
I'll check these spots out. I actually really want to get into another discipline
as my body seems to be in need of some different movements/functions to
keep things new and inventive.

and Bourdain is a G. dope interview. didn't know he was into bjj like that.


-->

Yea in Boston Former UFC Lightweight Kenny Florian has a school and Gracie Barra and Brazilian Top Team Boston.


And yea Marcelo Garcia in NYC is also a BJJ God i doubt youre in Long Island but a great affordable school is Matt Serra's

>
>Yamasaki


Know two people who currently train here, and they absolutely love it.



>50/50



Ryan Hall is a beast, and his instruction tends to be very detail oriented.


>Lloyd Irvin


TLI has produced some absolute killers. However, they are probably the most controversial program in the sport. I would stay away.

>>Lloyd Irvin
>
>
>TLI has produced some absolute killers. However, they are
>probably the most controversial program in the sport. I would
>stay away.

I'm assuming you're referring to the sexual assault charges? What a weird rabbit hole this thread has gone down.

>
>>>Lloyd Irvin
>>
>>
>>TLI has produced some absolute killers. However, they are
>>probably the most controversial program in the sport. I
>would
>>stay away.
>
>I'm assuming you're referring to the sexual assault charges?
>What a weird rabbit hole this thread has gone down.


Yes. Most, if not all, his best students left. Some would only talk to media under conditions of anonymity. Even beyond the newer rape allegations (he'd been charged before but was acquitted), students were saying he treated them horribly. This stuff has been written about a lot, so I won't got too deep into it.

MMA is for niggas who could never fight to get their rocks off.

so he turned to MMA to get his rocks off and look now hes the UFC LHW champ

I know youre trolling but lol

.

http://youtu.be/n9mER2BmNRA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-BExc9SS68


impulse youll prolly like this if you havent seen it already

has some interviews with the Atos and Univ of jiujitsu teams.
interviews with some of Rickson's early students.

Overall its like a B.

Its well shot, the editing jumps around a bit and I dont know if it tells a cohesive story rather than a bunch of short stories. I also think a lot of the stories are basic, but still a good 70 minute watch if you dont know some of the history of BJJ

Haven't watched it in full yet, I saw it in my recommended section on YT. I took a quick peek the other day, I stopped when the titles came on.

It opens up with one of my favorite (edit: American) black belts, Chris Haueter. His rolling is so effortless, and something I try to emulate. He's the current ref for Metamoris.

I'll let you know what I think when I watch the whole thing.

but feel free to start it up ill join the fun.

I think theres prolly only like 3-4 of us taht will post in it.

Im thinking about blogging my experiences. Always sounds good in theory til I get busy and fall off and get mad at myself for not keeping up.

And I'll move my comment about Chris Haueter over to the new thread, just bc I admire that dude so much.