Has Manning? Brady? Brees? Montana? Young?

You look at the past 30 years and while there have been exceptions like Dilfer and Brad Johnson, most of the teams have had great quarterbacks. Guys like Phil Simms who maybe weren't top-tier for their career but for the time they were winning, yes. You had like Rypien and Flacco as average guys but now we are up to what, like five out of 30 seasons where a great QB didn't win? The great QBs that have not won (e.g. Marino) was widely known because they are exceptions to the rule.

What exactly is your question here? Is it about the quarterback position? The Packers? Both seem to be doing just fine. The Packers, again, have been more successful in the last 30 years than 25 other franchises, and as successful as all but *one*. So I think their recipe is working.