2 for 10 for 7 points in a conference finals game for the best player in the world? Y'all would FRY Durant for a game like that. I'm pretty sure a healthy Larry Bird never had a playoff game like that.

Bron about to end next game with 45/15/11/9/2. He'll earn 15 fouls against the pacer singelhandedly.

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No.

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good that Bron could feel the foul trouble pain he causes with the way he plays

just once though

- Larry Bird only had 5 playoff games (that he started) where he shot less than 30%
- In those 5 games, he never shot 20% or lower
- Two of them came in the Eastern Conference Finals:
1) In an elimination game 6 against the Pistons, he shot 4/17 (.235) for 16 points with 14 boards and 5 assists, but the Celtics lost and were eliminated
2) In a potential clinching game 4 against the Sixers, he shot 4/15 (.267) for 14 points with 7 boards and 6 assists, and the Celtics lost before clinching in the next game

- Lebron James has 9 career playoff games where he shot less than 30%
- In two of those games, he shot 20% or less, including last night
- Two of those games came in the conference finals, and two more came in the NBA finals
1) In game 6 of the ECF vs. detroit, he shot 3/11 (.273) for 20 points with 14 boards and 8 assists, as Cleveland won and clinched a trip to the finals
2) last night - 2/10 (.200) for 7 points with 2 boards and 4 assists, and Miami lost
3) Game 1 against the Spurs, 4/16 (.250) for 14 points with 7 boards and 4 assists in a loss
4) The infamous game 4 against Dallas: 3/11 (.273) for 8 points 9 boards 7 assists in a loss

This agenda shit HAS GONE TOO FUCKING FAR.

Zero chance Bird doesn't put up 40 on Born Ready,
a man 4 inches and 50lbs smaller than him

I think overall Lebron has probably overtaken him,
or is darn close to doing it


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>Zero chance Bird doesn't put up 40 on Born Ready,
>a man 4 inches and 50lbs smaller than him

I doubt Bird scores 10 points against Born Ready.

>I think overall Lebron has probably overtaken him,
>or is darn close to doing it

Lebron overtook him offensively when he played in Cleveland. It's not even close now. If Bird played Bron then there's no way Bird makes five shots.

http://larrybrownsports.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/lance-stephenson-lebron-james-blow-ear.jpg

http://cdn0.vox-cdn.com/imported_assets/2218335/854832927.gif

He caught that vicious elbow to the chest by that dirtbag Chalmers (Heat is real heavy on dirtbags, you could make a Battier post like the one we made on Wade last week) and wasn't afraid to show it got him

I don't know whether Chalmers flopped or if PG really did catch him with an elbow right before that trey he dropped to end the quarter. I was hoping for the latter

nah i ain't gonna do shit.

lance the type o dude you can only like if he on your team. i'm loving him this series lol

.

Which = a really, really excellent supporting cast
member for a team with a superstar

Also like I said, the Pacers success depends on Paul
George, not on Born Ready

Born Ready has MORE than held his own despite being
laughably outmatched physically...he's literally 4 inches
shorter and and 50+ lbs lighter...and deals with it on
BOTH sides of the court.

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Bird need to sign them up.


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Same as it ever was!

My God.

Alas, Kobestan.

This another L for you.

Duncan Kobe Ray
KG Truth Kobe
TD Jesus Kobe
Basically, Any perennial all-stars IN THEIR PRIME (c) Lebatard plus GOAT averages at least 60 wins a year and wins a chip every year.

... to make the finals in the east every year.

Penny had Shaq so what's your point?

Bron had Shaq as well.

So you're saying DWade's rings don't count. THAT'S WHAT I'VE SAID THE WHOLE TIME.

You caught a stray L on this one.

>Penny had Shaq so what's your point?

nothing about penny. so nice diversion attempt.

>Bron had Shaq as well.

PRIME. CAN YOU READ?

give Lebron the Shaq Kobe had, and Bron would have a quadruple-peat AND shaq wouldn't have gotten mad at him and they'd have stayed together.

lmao @ wade and bosh = Prime Shaq. cmon.

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Y'all stupid...should've tanked for Lebron/Wiggins in 2014 -Rex LongFellow

Its 2014...there are computers in glasses and people stunt after hitting the ball far. Get over it. -Cenario

It's only funny till someone gets mad. Then it's hilariou

>>Penny had Shaq so what's your point?
>
>nothing about penny. so nice diversion attempt.
>
>>Bron had Shaq as well.
>
>PRIME. CAN YOU READ?
>
>give Lebron the Shaq Kobe had, and Bron would have a
>quadruple-peat AND shaq wouldn't have gotten mad at him and
>they'd have stayed together.
>
>lmao @ wade and bosh = Prime Shaq. cmon.
>

Kobe and Shaq didn't make the finals every year they were together on some unstoppable shit. The Heat look like NBA champions every year as presently constructed. It's not even close. Remember we don't know if they'll lose an NBA finals.

The argument of "GOAT HAD A PRIME SHAQ SO THOSE RINGS DON'T COUNT. ANYONE CAN WIN WITH SHAQ" is forever deaded during and after this heat run.

not because of wade or bosh. Because of Bron.

i think you think that was smart.

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Y'all stupid...should've tanked for Lebron/Wiggins in 2014 -Rex LongFellow

Its 2014...there are computers in glasses and people stunt after hitting the ball far. Get over it. -Cenario

It's only funny till someone gets mad. Then it's hilariou

Bron needed motherfucking debug code to win a championship. Nigga went from his fans screaming for help to finding a way to enable god mode.

Your Cuban B was woefully unsuccessful. 33 1/3.

Still mad about the decision, huh?

Everyone's moved on from the decision. Anyone could tell you the Heat would win a chip their first year.

We're talking. agenda shit right now. No one's mad but pointing out the obvious ideological inconsistency inherent in the decision of Bron's stance in league history.

Any argument that says Bird is better offensively than Bron is LAUGHABLE.

I expect Lebronon to attack that argument with the same nukes they sent to the death star after Bron's last chip.

christ, dude, get your agenda shit straight.

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Y'all stupid...should've tanked for Lebron/Wiggins in 2014 -Rex LongFellow

Its 2014...there are computers in glasses and people stunt after hitting the ball far. Get over it. -Cenario

It's only funny till someone gets mad. Then it's hilariou

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Y'all stupid...should've tanked for Lebron/Wiggins in 2014 -Rex LongFellow

Its 2014...there are computers in glasses and people stunt after hitting the ball far. Get over it. -Cenario

It's only funny till someone gets mad. Then it's hilariou

not like the deer in headlights games that bron has once a playoff season, when he cant figure out a equally-matched opponent

doesn't change the fact that he laid an egg last night.

Lebronon fans get to smelling themselves and start talking that Mike shit, FOH, it ain't even remotely close. Other than Bill Russell, who wasn't a scorer and is overrated anyway, I can't recall any top 10 caliber player ever having a performance like that in a playoff game.

>Bill Russell, who is overrated anyway

waaaaaaaaaaaay more respectable than 7

shit up?

Kobe did go 4 for 20 in a finals game before.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200006160IND.html

Kobe on purpose, Lebron had no such excuses last night

http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201104200LAL.html

http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201004240OKC.html

http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200806170BOS.html

http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200704240PHO.html

http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200406100DET.html

And most of them were in pivotal games, unlike Brons bed wetting last night.

when they open up that box. And this is while playing damn near entire games end to end. I'm like damn. But I have no dog in this race. Just keeping perspective.

but the soap opera of it all and fallout roster-wise has made folks forget how bad he was. As has him getting bailed out of Game 7 in 2010. Laker Game 6 '08 Finals was a white-flag performance worthy of Bron/Dallas. No need to even get into Phoenix Game 7. Or that you have to really struggle to come up with a single Kobe 'pantheon' playoff performance for the league's cannon that would make an all-time Top 25 from NBA players.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bryanko01.html#playoffs_per_game::none

25.6PPG in the playoffs... 44.8% from the field in the playoffs..

and in his 5 championship seasons... he averaged 30 points per in the playoffs once....and 29 points per twice..

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jamesle01.html#all_playoffs_per_game

more scoring, more assists, more boards, and on fewer shots per game. and he averaged 30+ in a chip year too. BETTER. SO MUCH BETTER.
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Y'all stupid...should've tanked for Lebron/Wiggins in 2014 -Rex LongFellow

Its 2014...there are computers in glasses and people stunt after hitting the ball far. Get over it. -Cenario

It's only funny till someone gets mad. Then it's hilariou

his post-season was (outside of a couple of incredible performances)..but it was mostly known for chunkin up threes and falling short of expectations even though every season for multiple years the Cavs pretty much remade their roster in the offseason to figure out the perfect cast to go with him...

then finally he had to leave and join other established players to form a team to win a title..

Kobe been a Laker... will stay a Laker...and took 2 different LAKER squads to championships..


no comparison

you brought up career playoff stats and did so stupidly by not checking if Lebron's were better. They are. because he's better. and i don't like him.

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Y'all stupid...should've tanked for Lebron/Wiggins in 2014 -Rex LongFellow

Its 2014...there are computers in glasses and people stunt after hitting the ball far. Get over it. -Cenario

It's only funny till someone gets mad. Then it's hilariou

I responding to an insinuation that Kobe Bryant had no significant post-season performances. The stats show how completely foolish that claim is...

5 titles is more than 2 titles... I ain't trippin off Lebron James... He went out and chased rings to find 2 other all-stars to team up with. Kobe played the hand he was dealt....with 2 different casts to win his titles...

the young players in the NBA voted Kobe the #1 player they admire..like I said..nobody's trippin off bron...

>but the soap opera of it all and fallout roster-wise has made
>folks forget how bad he was. As has him getting bailed out of
>Game 7 in 2010.

He didn't shoot well but he still scored 10 points in the 4th and grabbed 15 boards.

Laker Game 6 '08 Finals was a white-flag
>performance worthy of Bron/Dallas.

Really? He had 22, Bron had 8 in that game 4 with zilch in the 4th, that's a level of quitting unseen since MJ in game 5 of the 89 ECF!


No need to even get into
>Phoenix Game 7. Or that you have to really struggle to come up
>with a single Kobe 'pantheon' playoff performance for the
>league's cannon that would make an all-time Top 25 from NBA
>players.

lol. By Pau obviously. He did everything down the stretch while Kobe tried gunning the game away.

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them? We're talking about "Mt Rushmore", isn't Lebron supposed to be better than Bird? at the very least equal to Mike?

>them? We're talking about "Mt Rushmore", isn't Lebron
>supposed to be better than Bird? at the very least equal to
>Mike?


Yo Truth...walk away from this one, dog......U will thank me later....

"Other than Bill Russell, who wasn't a scorer and is overrated anyway, I can't recall any top 10 caliber player ever having a performance like that in a playoff game."

Unless you're implying you don't feel Kobe is a top 10 caliber player. I don't know.

This would be a meaningful post.

this post will still be on page 1 by friday.

likely bounce back with a huge game on friday, it doesn't change anything that happened Wed night

like yall make kobe haters actually seem reasonable
after the 49 pt brooklyn game my friend (kobe dickeater like u) knocked lebron for scoring 49 pts and only winning by 4 or whatever it was
0_0

>like yall make kobe haters actually seem reasonable

Adorable.

it's levels
if bron get his 3rd finals mvp to go with his third ring this year it's a wrap

thought we all knew these things by now.

He only has 2 to Duncan's 3 (4).

Honestly Bron has the higher ceiling, but I'd like to see if he can make the Finals in 2020 with 13 years between appearances. THAT is crazy impressive to me. Now granted, Duncan did it 2 years in...so accounting for that, let's just see if Bron can make the Finals 15 years in like Duncan in 2018. Another 4 seasons of dominance would be pretty incredible.

I dunno, lately I've found that longevity of the Spurs/Duncan fascinating.

most of the kobe hate was reasonable
everybody has bad games
niggas hate on lebron for GOOD games
just a couple days ago somebody on here tried to downplay a 30 5 and 5 game
only way that happens with kobe is if he shot 40% to get his points , which is fair imo

>only way that happens with kobe is if he shot 40% to get his
>points , which is fair imo

People hated on Kobe's number of assists (2) in the 81 point game where he shot 60%. So...nope.

not trying nit pick but like i think there are FAIR observations
then there is just plain hating
and i wouldn't even hate on the 81 pt game
but if comparing it to say a 60 pt playoff came u can bring up the fact he was playing a bum raptor team

>most of the kobe hate was reasonable
>everybody has bad games
>niggas hate on lebron for GOOD games
>just a couple days ago somebody on here tried to downplay a 30
>5 and 5 game
>only way that happens with kobe is if he shot 40% to get his
>points , which is fair imo

there is Kobe hate on this board right today that is not only pretty much guaranteeing that he is completely done as a player today...but hasn't really accomplished anything in his career...

Kobe/Laker Haters are very unique...

And those rebound/assist numbers you posted are right around his career averages as well.

It's hilarious since you're trying to show how "reasonable" Kobe criticism is and you throw out that bullshit number like it's standard.

i'm just giving a hypothetical example
since kobe is somewhere planted on a couch in germany right now

You're officially on par with Iverstania's irrational Kobe hate with your Brawn hate.

http://tinyurl.com/myers3j

-Making a more reasonable four million per game played rather than last year's five.
-Having better luck with his upcoming fourth lame-duck coach since Feel
-Spending his fourth straight season out of the playoffs by the end of his deal in 2016.
-Steve Nash's fortieth birthday party
-Dr Buss' fourth child being able to finally show signs that he has any idea how to run an NBA franchise.

>-Dr Buss' fourth child being able to finally show signs that
>he has any idea how to run an NBA franchise.

But honestly, the D'Antoni thing was the only truly terrible moment of Jimmy Buss' career. Not saying he can do it, just saying he hasn't been proven to be an idiot YET.

that deal he wasn't worth healthy by that point before even seeing him walk post-Achilles, no playoff wins since he took full reigns, personal issues with Feel/Jeanie affecting team success, general feelings of instability due to him really having accomplished nothing in his life nor having much if any respect around the league.

I don't know how based on the state of the roster, Jim's lack of accomplishment, the family not having the deep pockets of at least half of the owners owners, this horrible roster, no pick next year, no coach, no young talent besides who they might grab at 7, K.O.B.E., Nash, the Clippers shedding their decrepit dickhead owner while still having a contender window open with a great coach plus Microsoft loot........that the Lakers couldn't be bad for an extended stretch here like the Celtics in the 90s or the Niners post-Eddie DeBartolo.

That tradition stuff speaks volumes for bragging rights but it ain't something that's gonna actually make for success on its own, nor is being in Los Angeles since there's a better team being run right in the same building & city where a laughingstock eyesore once sat.

Brown wasn't the worst hire, D'Antoni was. Kobe was getting that deal no matter what. He traded for Cp3 and Howard. Nash's signing is only bad in hindsight. Nobody thought it was bad at the time as the Lakers were thought to be building a title team.

He hasn't had a long enough track record to judge is all I'm saying.

The Lakers, particularly due to the huge TWC TV deal, even made a profit of over 50 million last year with all of the luxury tax considerations and a first round playoff exit. That revenue increases significantly for each extra playoff series to the point where investing more into players pays for itself if the results mean deeper playoff runs. I've seen some of the financials because a good friend of mine just did a ticket pricing consultation for the CFO...they are extremely healthy.

Also, the Pringles decision came down from Dr. Buss, it wasn't Jim's decision...the Mike Brown hiring, however, is completely on him and it looks especially bad when Adelman was ready to take the job and was the perfect system fit. Further, Dr. Buss was in a similar situation with an aging, injured player in his twilight years...and he offered Shaq a 5 year, 120 million dollar deal so the Kobe deal isn't something uniquely indicative of Jim Buss. Lastly, FOH w the hindsight on the Nash deal....you were one of the many touting that roster, with Mike Brown as coach no less, as being the favorites to win the championship. I know you're gonna do your normal 'I under-estimated Kobe's dick-headedness, etc etc etc" but don't act like 99% of people, including you, didn't think those roster moves were brilliant at the time.

http://espn.go.com/nba/salaries

kinda crazy that only KD, and the MIA Big 3 are in the top 20

everybody else = at home watching the offs

I guess chip caliber teams = no max players?

kick in till next year tho but i could be wrong.

edit: Russy has a max deal too...but not the supermax with 30% increases like kd's deal.

It's nuts how many teams have overpaid some players. Bad GMs would make me want to team up with other stars at better franchises too.

and chips

I'm sure some stat geek has, but it doesn't seem conducive to rings

@Cen, do you think that was what Feel was saying when he alluded to Melo staying for a discounted salary

that he knows paying Melo the max means they aren't gonna win?

his current deal is hard enough to build around.

I don't think feel is even gonna offer that megamax deal. And if melo serious about winning, he wouldn't want it. No one else can offer it anyway.

have come so quickly in the nba that the good gms are the ones who figure it before most players come up for max contracts. and old max contract players don't quite fit in the cap mold. and there are different kinds of "max" players. the rules keep changing.

him before he walks and start over. If the knicks had any inkling that melo wasn't gonna settle for less, they needed to trade him before the deadline. dolan wasn't doing that tho obviously.

about analyzing teams for winning with max players. kobe has a max contract. russy has a max contract for almost half of it. the league is operating with overlapping salary eras, and the good gms have to be on top of those salary shifts.

now gms are figuring out how to operate with this rising cap, and you know there are going to be people who gamble and end up looking real good, and some gm who gambles a year too late, then the owners lock down expenses and destroy his cap flexibility.

Everyone roasted him after 2011. He was the most scrutinized athlete in the World. Sure, KD gets it worse now. He should. 2 rings mean people stop talking about past failures as much and tend to give you the benefit of the doubt until you get knocked out. They're still up and heading home for Game 6, that's why this isn't a big deal.

>They're still up and heading home for Game 6, that's why this isn't a big deal.

100+ replies=truth's joke post drew out the worst in both sides.