Well that can't be good.

That being said, can P-Bev get in on some of these photo shoots the Rockets are doing for their media stuff? Or at least alternate back and forth with Lin?

http://www.houstonchronicle.com/sports/rockets/article/Rockets-weigh-decision-of-starting-PG-between-4911964.php?t=5d3cfa530fcba496f0&t=5d3cfa530f006749db

Rockets weigh decision of starting PG between Lin, Beverley

By Jenny Dial Creech

October 21, 2013

Bullit Marquez, STF

Jeremy Lin, left, and Patrick Beverley can impact games in different ways, leading Dwight Howard to say "it's a good problem to have two guys that are capable of coming in and making plays and starting."

The question of who will be the Rockets' starting point guard is one that may not have a concrete answer for a while.

Jeremy Lin and Patrick Beverley have both started games this season. And both will continue to do so, said coach Kevin McHale.

"I have two starting point guards," McHale said.

That answer does not seem to satisfy the masses, however. Online message boards and social media continue to fill up with comments from fans who want to know which player will be dubbed the starter.

"As a player, I always found it irrelevant," McHale said. "I came off the bench in a lot of games. What is the big difference in playing 271/2 minutes off the bench and playing 26 minutes as a starter? I guess it is a big deal to some people."

It doesn't seem to be for the players in the starting point guard battle. Lin and Beverley have the same goals this season, and neither mentions the starting job when discussing those goals.

Both talk about playing for wins and eventually championships. Lin said that because the Rockets boast two strong point guards, it makes them a tougher challenge.

"We have different strengths," Lin said. "(Beverley) is such a good defender and shooter. I am better with the ball in my hands, attacking. I think that makes us tough to scout, and it gives us the opportunity to give a lot of different looks."

Each point guard has two starts. (Lin missed Wednesday's game with a sinus infection.)

James Nielsen, Staff

Jeremy Lin, left, and Patrick Beverley can impact games in different ways, leading Dwight Howard to say "it's a good problem to have two guys that are capable of coming in and making plays and starting."

Their stat lines so far are nearly identical. Lin averages 14 points per game, Beverley 9.8. Both average 4.3 assists. Lin averages 3.7 rebounds and Beverley 4.0.

"It's a good problem to have two guys that are capable of coming in and making plays and starting," Dwight Howard said. "I think they just shouldn't worry about who starts. They should keep focused on what they can do in the game because that is what will help us win. We are lucky to have them both."

Beverley's impact on defense in the preseason has turned heads. He sets the tone for a team attempting to make defense a key part of its identity.

"I've gotta get in where I fit in," Beverley said. "I know I can't make big offensive plays the way (Lin) does. He is really good at that, and I am working on it. I know I can get in there on defense and make those plays, though."

Lin said watching Beverley has helped him grow.

"I watch him. He watches me," Lin said. "We feed off each other, learn from other. I think that comes really naturally for us."

The duo will see a lot of time on the floor together.

"There are a lot of lineups, and because we have some differences, there is no reason we can't be on the court together," Lin said. "We have been before. I think there is a lot of depth and a lot of options. We can play big. We can play small. We can run. We can spread. It's exciting how much we can do."

As with the rest of the team, the two might play different roles for a while.

McHale said he would not mind if the team had a different starting lineup every night.

"In all honesty, we will be trying different lineups in November and December," McHale said. "We have so many movable parts on this team, and we still have a lot of decisions to make."

http://www.thedreamshake.com/2013/10/29/5043062/houston-rockets-patrick-beverley-jeremy-lin-starting-point-guard

If asik doesn't start will he even be the 6th man?

Lin too.

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If they roll asik and Dwight Lin is better off the bench and will put up better numbers.

As a starter in that lineup the lane is clogged and he's option 3 behind harden and Dwight. As the 6th man he's instant offense and option 1b or 2

He's gonna have a hell of a year at starting pg or 6th man.

This isn't because Lin sucks. It's because Beverley is that good.

Well also see a lot of lineups with both of them playing together with harden.

once Houston signed Harden, he was relegated to being a system guy--
spotting up at the corner 3... a waste of his abilities

on top of that, Harden worked primarily out of the pick n roll,
which is where Lin made his name

he's at his best when he can attack the basket out of pnr.
I hope coming off the bench will give him that opportunity


I mean... Lin did have a 38 point game and 16 games of 20 or more last year.
you can't put up those numbers without talent

in contrast, Beverley only scored 10 or more points 6 times
with a season high of 15. I imagine he'll be the system guy
Houston needs with the added benefit of above-average intensity

For a million a year.

Oh wait Morey is just a lucky gm who got Dwight.

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And you wouldn't have needed the cap space had you
paid proper price for Lin (who I'm a huge supporter
of, mind you)

he was troubled. they had 3 first round picks and their pick from the year before coming over.

it was a gamble they could afford to take. it didnt work. still got harden. still made the playoffs. still got dwight.

ultimately he was inconsequential. making a 16 pick that doesn't affect what you do is a W

trading a 15 pick too early and having him play well like philly did with harkless the pick before, thats an L

the Lin proper price thing/salary cap thing has nothing to do w/ dwight or royce white.

>
>And you wouldn't have needed the cap space had you
>paid proper price for Lin (who I'm a huge supporter
>of, mind you)


With a different structure.

Hes getting paid similar to guys like teague who hes in the same range at.

What would you have said is a fair price for Lin after that run? 5 mil?

Knicks were ready to pay between 7-8 per for 3 years.
Hes getting paid 8 per year Just with a balloon structure.

You could argue his 5m per year for the 1st 2 years is a bargain.

I'm about as big a Lin fan as you are


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Bev is a much better defender, lin is a much better offensive player.

Lins numbers might actually be better playing with the 2nd unit lol

>Lins numbers might actually be better playing with the 2nd
>unit lol

If we're talking common sense....they want to use his offense to spur the 2nd unit bc the starting unit is loaded.

Either way, not sure its an L.

"Lin can play. Not sure he's a starter in this league though, especially not on a good team. Some teams have backups that are better than him. He's probably better suited to be a quality backup."

You can spin that shit however you want.

Shit you can even call him the "Secret Weapon" if you want.

I gives no fucks.

Next time, don't fight reality and claim some dude is a star.

I claimed he was better than felton...he was and is.

I said he could be a star...he still can.

Lol at acting like he cant be an impact player off the bench and still see quality minutes and/or still be playing big minutes down the stretch.

He's not better than Felton.

Never was.

Never will be.

>He's not better than Felton.
>
>Never was.
>
>Never will be.

ray felton isn't that good.
he's a 13-6.5 guy at sub 45% from the field.
he's not likely to have a career renaissance at 29.

the notion that a 25 year old can't be better than that EVER is message board hyperbole.

>He's not better than Felton.


http://i.minus.com/ibmGDZXyrb3R3W.gif

>"Lin can play. Not sure he's a starter in this league though,
>especially not on a good team. Some teams have backups that
>are better than him. He's probably better suited to be a
>quality backup."
>
>You can spin that shit however you want.
>
>Shit you can even call him the "Secret Weapon" if you want.
>
>I gives no fucks.
>
>Next time, don't fight reality and claim some dude is a star.
>
>
>


Im not saying he is either --but theres a number of bench guys in the NBA's history that are stars. The most recent one being Manu.

your saying because a guy comes off the bench he's not a star. That is 100% not true.


Jeremy is going to have a phenomenal year off the bench or starting. He will be in the 6th man hunt if he plays enough minutes there. He's gonna be great WS and real life and Im going to party because my team will also be good.

he's coming off of the bench.

Because Beverley is good and starting, Lin can't be?

The Rockets and Lin are about to have a hell of a year and be one of the best teams to watch, and at the end of the day - a bunch of you guys will still hate.


We win the championship and Lin is a key role as 6th man and theres gonna be posts about "SEE HE ISNT THE STARTING PG FOR A CHAMPIONSHIP TEAM"


At the end of the day like I said, he's gonna have a great year. Im excited.

it'd be what I said all along.

He's a quality guard coming off of the bench.

It's not a diss.

doesnt mean you also cant be a good starter.


This situation just fits the way this team its built.

Man we really need to do this show so we can talk about this shit.

I had a wedding this past weekend...but I really wanna get this shit off the ground.

Im in Upstate Ny til sunday night but would be down to record a 11pm 1130 EST show on Sunday night.

I think fapp is down and Bomb is downn if we can coordinate

That first unit is not going to need his screen-roll and penetration ability when they have Harden on the ball for much of the time.

Lin can be the catalyst for the 2nd unit....that doesn't mean he can't be a starter in the league, what it means is that him playing with that unit gives them the best overall production from both units.

This is similar to a situation that the Lakers had with Ramon Sessions...I was pleading for him to stay on the bench because his up-tempo style fit the 2nd unit energy and ability to create was needed far more on the 2nd unit rather than on the 1st which used a double-post system with Bynum and Pau where Sessions was basically relegated to a spot-up shooter. Does that mean Sessions wasn't a better PG than Steve Blake? No.

>"Lin can play. Not sure he's a starter in this league though,
>especially not on a good team. Some teams have backups that
>are better than him. He's probably better suited to be a
>quality backup."
>
>You can spin that shit however you want.
>
>Shit you can even call him the "Secret Weapon" if you want.
>
>I gives no fucks.
>
>Next time, don't fight reality and claim some dude is a star.
>
>
>

dudes are in here pretending to be happy with the EXACT shit they claimed would never happen bwhahahahah
i guess the next phase of this lin shit is going to be the legend building of pat beverly lol
like cmon
shits getting corny at this point
he didn't meet his agreed upon numbers
now he's coming off the bench and is rumored to be trade bait
dude could be out of the league in 2 yrs and the same 3 usual suspects would be in the thread talking bout he can win euro league MVP or some dumb shit, cmon yo

Good for him

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Then I saw it in action. Too small a sample size (2 games) to say it'll be 100% good. But I'm pretty happy for the team and lin right now. It's gonna make the offense explosive - and he's gonna be in a ginobili role. He will still play almost 30 mpg.

And yes he will be a favorite for 6th man. I don't know if mchale doesn't switch things depending on matchups though- so Lin may start some games.

Btw do 6th men of the year get any patches?

What's next...Is he gonna cure cancer?

>What's next...Is he gonna cure cancer?

he'll never play for a team built for him to pad stats

two things:
a) ray felton better be better than jeremy lin.
b) andrea bargnani better average 14 and 5 (for 10 mil a season off the bench at that)

>two things:
>a) ray felton better be better than jeremy lin.

IMO he was last year. The Knicks do not have that record if Lin was the starting PG.

>b) andrea bargnani better average 14 and 5 (for 10 mil a
>season off the bench at that)

I hope he does average these numbers to me that's baseline for Andrea, and btw...the Knicks never signed Bargnani we just inherited his contract. So the Knicks weren't the ones who initially thought Bargnani was worth that money. They though he was a better fit for their roster.

There's the difference with Lin.
The Knicks didn't think Lin was worth the money, and didn't sign him.

>
>>two things:
>>a) ray felton better be better than jeremy lin.
>
>IMO he was last year. The Knicks do not have that record if
>Lin was the starting PG.

then how we see basketball and interpret statistics is vastly different. best case for felton is a push, which isn't saying much when comparing 7 year vets and 1st year starters. better? can't clap to that.


>>b) andrea bargnani better average 14 and 5 (for 10 mil a
>>season off the bench at that)
>
>I hope he does average these numbers to me that's baseline for
>Andrea, and btw...the Knicks never signed Bargnani we just
>inherited his contract. So the Knicks weren't the ones who
>initially thought Bargnani was worth that money. They though
>he was a better fit for their roster.

inherited? inherited? no the words you're looking for is TRADED FOR. Meaning at that cost, the knicks decided he was a worthwhile option because they believed they'd get that kind of production from him. it aint like it was gerald wallace's contract they took to get humphries expiring n draft picks. bargnani was the centerpiece of the deal.


>There's the difference with Lin.
>The Knicks didn't think Lin was worth the money, and didn't
>sign him.

no, the harvard econ major secured himself the best deal possible, and jimmy got mad about it.

wtf are you talking about.

>the Knicks never signed Bargnani we just inherited his contract. So the Knicks weren't the ones who initially thought Bargnani was worth that money. They though he was a better fit for their roster.

LOL @ inherited like bargnani was some hand me down that the knicks were forced to pay.

are busy worrying about the overpaid back up point guard, that played 1/2 a season and sat out the playoffs.

I don't get it.

You two keep rooting for Houston OK.

but then he started hitting jumpshots.

i just dont talk about it because going over the same things isn't fun.

they need a 3Pt shooter at the other guard spot

and neither Beverley nor Lin is that

a guard camping out on the 3Pt line makes more sense

than Beverley or Lin

IMO

for the record

I'm on your side dude

I want HOU to make it to at least the WCF

they're solid at the other spots

but Lin/Beverley at the other guard spot is where they can improve the starting roster

IMO

I dont care if youre on my side lol. Anyone who nows me - knows I dont give passes to people with my rooting interest. Right is right. Harden is a sg with tremendous playmaking skills, but that does not make him a pg.

Beverley and Lin's ability to attack the paint still creates floor space --neither are terrible 3 point shooters. In fact this preseason Lin shot 38% from three in 6 games
Beverley shot 50% in 7 games (with a 1/5 last game skewing it down from 60%)

Both those guys worked hard as hell on their shots this summer, and they will get open looks. Both guys will be 38%+ from 3 which is more than enough.


Were gonna be okay and have a great chance of the WCF with Beverley and Lin.

This team is good.

>a guard camping out on the 3Pt line makes more sense
>
>than Beverley or Lin
>
>IMO
>
>for the record
>
>I'm on your side dude
>
>I want HOU to make it to at least the WCF
>
>they're solid at the other spots
>
>but Lin/Beverley at the other guard spot is where they can
>improve the starting roster
>
>IMO

lol

>lol

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let's not act like during "linsanity" he did not play great

the problem was people wanted it to fail when Melo came back... before he even did all you heard was "will it work?" "Will melo ruin it" so no matter what happened when he came back blame was coming

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>let's not act like during "linsanity" he did not play great
>
>the problem was people wanted it to fail when Melo came
>back... before he even did all you heard was "will it work?"
>"Will melo ruin it" so no matter what happened when he came
>back blame was coming
>
><< Started From The Bottom
>
>@rob_starrk


He played great because there wasnt a scouting report on him

He came out of nowhere. As soon as niggas learned his moves, Lin got shut down quick. Not to mention Lin played great under Dantoni's PG system.

Knicks were smart for passing up on Lin.

came in to the league with no scouting reports on them in the history of the NBA?

Lets count how many of them had the success Lin did in his first 7 starts.

Shut down quick? he had a 38 point game last year not in D'antoni's system, and something like 15 or 16 20+ point games. Consistency was the issue. Not whether or not he could still have big games.

In the 9 games down the stretch last year in April (in a playoff race) he avgd 17 pts and 6.9 assistswith 2.6 turnovers.



>>let's not act like during "linsanity" he did not play great
>>
>>the problem was people wanted it to fail when Melo came
>>back... before he even did all you heard was "will it work?"
>>"Will melo ruin it" so no matter what happened when he came
>>back blame was coming
>>
>><< Started From The Bottom
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>>@rob_starrk
>
>He came out of nowhere. As soon as niggas learned his moves,
>Lin got shut down quick. Not to mention Lin played great under
>Dantoni's PG system.
>
>Knicks were smart for passing up on Lin.