... and u know exactly who I'm talkin to... VEX. OE.

for those who didn't see the fight last Saturday, consider yourself blessed.

last week O even had the muthafuckin audacity to place Wlad above Pernell Whitaker on a list of greatest fighters. just one example of the many atrocities committed here regarding the Klits.

i can't even begin to describe how painfully frustrating it was to watch that shit. gotta be the worst fight EVER with 4 knockdowns. i would've been more entertained watching Willie Pep win a 15 rounder without throwing a punch.

if Wlad gets into the HOF, Sugar Ray will jump out his grave and bitch slap every voting member.

this dude has the fighting spirit of a conscientious objector
*waits for Ali retort*

it's ok if this gets locked by the mods. i just wanted to call u delusional muthafuckas out real quick like.

more times then he threw punches
i want to watch just to see how a fight with 4 knockdowns is getting hated on so bad

i just don't see how that typa shit is legal, or condoned by the refs and sanctioning bodies. he's killing an already dead HW division.

problem was if the opponent isn't throwing punches..it takes an ugly turn..

the fact of the matter is that no heavyweight is getting inside on Klitch and throwing punches to the body and the head.... at least not over the course of a fight...

just makes for ugly fights...

correct me if i'm wrong, but isn't intentional holding illegal in professional boxing?

he not gonna hold them as much if they punch him..

and when he does hold ...punch out by driving body shots on him...he's tall..so his body is right there...

but yeah...that much holding is worthy of taking points...

what made it look really just terrible was the other guys complete lack of aggression as far as throwing punches..

he made Haye's effort look vintage Tyson-like...lol

He's completely dominated the division for a decade
STRAIGHT

He's in top 10-15 HW conversations at this point

I'm surprised dude isn't bored and getting KO'd

lolololol

A win at the age of 37, continuing his 9 yr unbeaten streak

>A win at the age of 37, continuing his 9 yr unbeaten streak

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yall are funny tho, foreal.

i guess a win over the great Povetkin in any form is pretty significant, considering his performances against other top heavyweights? yeah, maybe not, since he took a L to cruiserweight Marco Huck and got his ass tore up by former Klit victim Ruslan Chagaev.

of course that's not the point anyway. yall go head and keep playin along like that was professional boxing. i hope u get a chance to attend Wlad's future fights and witness the Maestro perform.

You in here wild touch and sensitive, B

Wlad has dominated a division for damn near a decade.

I don't give a fuck who he's fought, he can only fight
the guys put in front of him.

And he's made mincemeat out of everyone.

and plenty of other fights before that one, to the fighter u said just last week, was better/greater than Sweet P, etc.

so until this dies down a bit, u will keep responding with "i'm mad" "i'm emo" i'm drake".
haven't seen this show before :/

he wasnt ready for this fight

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he wasn't ready and he let that happen by holding on his own damself.. it might be easier said then done but if he'd have just kept his fucking hands in tight and shortened his punches he could've stood half a chance... but it seemed he was content to try and make his point on the way in and recoup energy for his next attempt when let Vlad grabbed a hold of him.. he needed to keep his elbows in and his shots short but he was to busy trying to be Mike Tyson or some shit with the duck and reaching hook

I had to look it up because heavyweight boxing has become as popular as non triple crown horse racing, but sounds like the guy just dominated and continued being beat.

Or is this a point about the HW division sucking for his whole career which may be true but also not his fault.

I'm confused why your anti agenda grabs a W here. I also don't watch boxing so perhaps I read it wrong and winning by unanimous decision is bad.

lol

*shrug*

i wanna see athletism, or murderous punching power. they just lean on cats & then bombs away from distance in the 9th round when the tomato can they are fighting is exhuasted from prancing they big ass around the ring all fight

id rather see 2 lil mexican strawweights throwing em from the shoulder for 9 rounds then the klits on dancing w/ the stars




does it even matter?

And they can be easily conflated, but shouldn't they be.

I am totally in agreement with you on the argument about how frustrating and unenjoyable he can be to watch stylistically--usually he's a little more entertaining than he was against Povetkin, but it's true that any time a guy tries to get in on him he holds, leans, shoves, etc. and he should have been penalized earlier and more often given how much he did that. It was almost unbearable to watch him--I wish I had skipped it. And I think it's totally fair to say he took advantage of a bad ref to gain an unfair edge.

I just wouldn't conflate that argument with an argument regarding his talent or his achievement. We've seen him dominate guys that are as good as Povetkin, and truth is he probably would have done the same thing even if he had been forced to not clinch and shove. Maybe he would have landed another one of those rare, beautiful left hooks he landed in the second round and stopped the guy because that was there all day too.

The thing is, Wlad's just a uber-uber-uber-hypercompetitive fighter, so he'll do whatever gives him the *best* chance to win and eliminates any possibility of him getting caught with a haymaker, and that's simply what he did against Povetkin. I wouldn't condone it--he shouldn't have felt like he *needed* to do it--but I don't think it is *that* much of a blemish on his body of work. Wlad is a hall-of-fame fighter--he had very subpar comp, but so did Tyson and Marciano, and his dominance over the long term is very impressive. And his talent is serious, even if he doesn't always maximize it.

That somehow Wlad looking bad in a domination of an
inferior opponent, in year 9, at age 37, is somehow a..
....bad thing for Wlad's legacy?

Bwahahhahaahahahahahahah

He's the best. He's been the best damn near a decade.

He's entering top 10-15 all time conversations in the
HW division.

Because I know that's what everyone here is looking for. Anyways...

1) Along with his brother, Wlad is the dominant heavyweight of his era (nobody seems to be or should be arguing that).

2) Aside from what Povetkin did or did not do, Wlad used tactics that should have been ruled illegal by the ref and, in doing so, played the biggest role in making that fight an atrocity to watch (nobody seems to be or should be arguing that).

Looking bad in a big fight--not only looking bad but using illegal tactics--may not in the long-term be a bad thing for his legacy but it's certainly not a great thing. He could have done a lot more. The most important thing to Wlad was clearly to be winning each moment of the fight, so that's what he did. Fair enough. But he didn't exactly win anyone over who wasn't already on Team Wlad.

The criticism of how he chose to fight in this particular fight doesn't really seem to me to be up for much debate. That argument also doesn't conflate with anything you wrote here...it's just a different point.

Yes. How he chose to fight this particular fight was inexcusable.

His career and legacy are none of my concern.

>1) Along with his brother, Wlad is the dominant heavyweight of
>his era (nobody seems to be or should be arguing that).

That's my beef.

If you didn't like the povetkin fight, cool

But to use it to shit on Wlad's *legacy* is wrong

It's a wide UD on his record against what the HW division has to offer right now as a top opponent. In the long run, that won't hurt his legacy. But he also could have improved it, and he definitely failed to do that. It is interesting to think whether he'll ever have anything that could really be called a marquee win--if not it's not entirely his fault, but if he had won this fight in a less foul-filled way, it might have been the closest thing to it.

I mean I doubt he gives a damn (he did just get engaged to an extremely attractive actress) but it is what it is.

i think u just read the subject heading.


>>1) Along with his brother, Wlad is the dominant heavyweight
>of
>>his era (nobody seems to be or should be arguing that).
>
>That's my beef.

lol wtf? niucca nobody argued that the Klits... cmon son, who else IS there? how could i possibly argu... man u buggin.



>If you didn't like the povetkin fight, cool
>
>But to use it to shit on Wlad's *legacy* is wrong

this is a shitstain on what is an already shitstained legacy (Wlad, NOT Vitali). still, after his brother there's no one else in the division that has come close to Wlad's accomplishments. the Haye win (even tho Haye was injured***) at least showed him to be a legit champion in my mind. there's no one out there that he hasn't fought that he should have... which is more than we can say for Floyd, but i digress.
When u sniff out the details in Wlad's career, there will definitely be a (not so) feint stench of booty cheeks, HOF or not.

Agreed.

But it was just awful, he wasn't even trying to box, just flat out taking advantage of a bad ref like you said. I mean, it's one thing not to have a flashy style, it's another to intentionally lean on and hold a guy every 15 seconds, when you could easily try and fight.

Three of the knockdowns he literally threw the guy on the mat.


It was bad. People should take more pride in their work than that.

And y'all (and me) was saying "he was doing what he
had to do to win."

Can't have it both ways.

We both know Floyd could beat the pants off of Ortiz.

We know Wlad could beat the pants off of old boy.

Both did what they had to do.

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One was boxing.

One was definitely not.


Out of curiosity, did you watch this fight?

I mean, Wlad is always boring/safe but this was just not even boxing. It was very strange.

Though I understand the perspective of those who gave Floyd heat too.

But aside from the matter of boxing v. holding/shoving/leaning, one was instantaneous, in the heat of the moment, in retaliation for an egregious foul. Ortiz was the instigator.

Wlad's offense was done over and over for 36 minutes, and the majority of the time all Povetkin was doing was trying to fight him within the rules--sometimes he bent over, but other times all he was doing was being an aggressive fighter.

Mayweather fought beautifully and made one ugly (albeit decisive) retaliatory move. And it might have been a sucker punch, but it was legal. The fighters were told to fight.

Wlad deliberately chose to instigate his brand of ugliness somewhere between 100 and 200 times. And it was not legal, at least as far as I understand the rules.

>Out of curiosity, did you watch this fight?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hadQZX3lifY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hadQZX3lifY


>And y'all (and me) was saying "he was doing what he
>had to do to win."
>
>Can't have it both ways.
>
>We both know Floyd could beat the pants off of Ortiz.
>
>We know Wlad could beat the pants off of old boy.
>
>Both did what they had to do.


Go get some sleep and regroup fam.

You in here literally posting like he lost

fuck you talking about

that's 9 years without a loss

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>And they can be easily conflated, but shouldn't they be.
>
the first point (not really an argument) is crystal clear. the fight was awful and impossible for anyone to enjoy because of Wlad's holding and leaning.


>I just wouldn't conflate that argument with an argument
>regarding his talent or his achievement.

i've never questioned his talent. we've always known Wlad was extremely talented and clearly the more talented of the two brothers.

his achievements will always be questionable because all of his success has come in what is considered the worst era ever for heavyweights... and even in this abysmal era Wlad has been KTFO and emasculated SEVERAL times against several C class opponents.
not a good look for his legacy at all, tho i don't doubt he will be inducted to the HOF at some point.




>The thing is, Wlad's just a uber-uber-uber-hypercompetitive
>fighter, so he'll do whatever gives him the *best* chance to
>win and eliminates any possibility of him getting caught with
>a haymaker, and that's simply what he did against Povetkin. I
>wouldn't condone it--he shouldn't have felt like he *needed*
>to do it--but I don't think it is *that* much of a blemish on
>his body of work. Wlad is a hall-of-fame fighter--he had very
>subpar comp, but so did Tyson and Marciano, and his dominance
>over the long term is very impressive. And his talent is
>serious, even if he doesn't always maximize it.

Wlad didn't create the division. He just dominated it
for a decade.

And he showed the ability to adapt and learn, as he did
after Emmanuel Stewart joined his camp.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HRQ_6bc-AU8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eisx8ek0l0g

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFxi623J73w

Turned it off mid 5th round.



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which incidentally have been his only HBO fights
in recent years - and all of have been unsightly
fights.

That said, Wlad has dominated all 3 of those fights
(and literally every opponent for a decade)
so decisively that it has added to people's frustration
who can't stand his reign.

To say that after Wlad shuts out Povetkin (an olympic
gold medalist and the guy some wrongly thought was built
to defeat Klitschko) that this is somehow indicative
of how he 'sucks' is you crying because you hate his style.
Dude wins 119-104 but somehow sucks lol. Ok.

You can want to throw up from watching his fights, but that
mustn't blind you from according him his earned due as an
all-time great heavyweight champion, which he is.

I will say that his fight v. Povetkin was awful to watch -
but that had as much to do with Povetkin's inability to
mount meaningful offense as it did w/ Wlad getting away
with a myriad of fouls for clenching & shoving.

When he faces a guy his size who will stand and slug with him,
it's very entertaining. When he faces smaller guys who
are ineffective and just too small to compete, it can be ugly
and boring, as it was on Sat. night.

But it did nothing to take away from his status as an ATG.
It furthered it.

Oh, and people who are like "man i wish some of these old-school
HW's could get their hands on Wlad!" are just hurt. You'd
really want to see a 6'1 210 pound Sonny Liston try to get
inside Wladimir? He wouldn't be able to find him and would get
peppered on the outside until the right-hand landed like all
of the other Heavyweights too small to compete. Yes - one of
the reasons Wlad is so dominant is because of his anomalous physicality - deal with it.


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only one maybe two of his knockdowns were legit... he also should have been docked for the holding and wrestling earlier.. then again and warned of a possible DQ if he persisted to the degree he did..

a quality job by the ref would've changed the landscape of that fight considerably.. probably not enough to allow for Potvetkin to really do his thing as I'm confident the champ would have made all necessary adjustments.. but you couple that with Potvetkin not cooperating to the degree he did and maybe doing what I say he should have in my other reply above...

fight would have been way more entertaining..

That said the champ did enough in the actual exchanges to prove the point and mark the fuck out of Alex's face.. the exchanges were just so few and far between.. I mean they were hugging each other like they were old girlfriends who hadn't seen each other in a decade. gawdawful affair felt like a Bernard Hopkins fight on valium coated in krazyglue.

>only one maybe two of his knockdowns were legit... he also
>should have been docked for the holding and wrestling
>earlier.. then again and warned of a possible DQ if he
>persisted to the degree he did..

I don't think it would've warranted a DQ as Povetkin
kept diving into Wlad repeatedly with no apparent plan, but
definitely agree that Wlad had 2 legit knockdowns, the rest
should've been ruled a slip - or a foul against Wlad for pushing
Povetkin down.

>a quality job by the ref would've changed the landscape of
>that fight considerably.. probably not enough to allow for
>Potvetkin to really do his thing as I'm confident the champ
>would have made all necessary adjustments.. but you couple
>that with Potvetkin not cooperating to the degree he did and
>maybe doing what I say he should have in my other reply
>above...
>
>fight would have been way more entertaining..

Agreed. I actually thought Povetkin found something in round 2
-and then he got clipped w/ that short Wlad left hook which really changed the fight and had Povetkin more timid to initiate.

>That said the champ did enough in the actual exchanges to
>prove the point and mark the fuck out of Alex's face.. the
>exchanges were just so few and far between.. I mean they were
>hugging each other like they were old girlfriends who hadn't
>seen each other in a decade. gawdawful affair felt like a
>Bernard Hopkins fight on valium coated in krazyglue.

lol. It was ugly.

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it was still open not that long ago...

but at 48 I don't think so...

really don't think Lennox should do it...being able to say you retired the undisputed Heavyweight belt is a big deal.

Y'all may want to check the link... There's some video...

At this point...why not?!?

EXCLUSIVE: Lennox Lewis ready to make shock comeback at 48 to fight one of the Klitschko brothers in $100m super fight



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/boxing/article-2451488/Lennox-Lewis-wants-100m-comeback-Klitschko-brothers.html


- Lewis has been offered $50m to fight one of the Ukrainian brothers

- The former undisputed world champion will return for $100m

- Briton will be ready to fight in six months

- Vitali wants rematch after losing to Lewis in 2003

- But 48-year-old would rather face Wladimir


Lennox Lewis has told Russian promoters that he will come back to fight one of the Klitschko brothers for the biggest purse in boxing history.
The 48-year-old, who is still the most recent undisputed world heavyweight champion, was offered $50million (£31.3m) in Moscow at the weekend while attending Wladimir Klitschko’s successful defence of his world titles against Alexander Povetkin.

Lewis responded by promising to return to the ring for $100m (£62.6m).
The promoters are considering doubling their bid and Lewis says: ‘That is my price tag and it is under discussion. I have told them I can be ready in six months and I am in provisional training.

Lewis, in London to launch his new training academy for potential world heavyweight champions, is running in Hyde Park each morning.
He reports himself to be ‘already well under 300lb’. He weighed around 245lb in his prime. Lewis believes that in a fight next spring he can surpass big George Foreman, who regained the title at the age of 48, as the oldest world heavyweight champion of all time.
His price for coming out of retirement would give him the biggest pay-note in boxing history.

Floyd Mayweather holds that record having been guaranteed $41.2million for last month’s super fight with Mexico’s Canelo Alvarez, with his take expected to rise to $70million once all the pay-per-view revenue is accounted for.

Lewis was talking in terms of $50million when he last considered a return to the ring.
Now he says: ‘I said at the time that it will take $50million to get me out of my pyjamas but now I have to consider the value of my legacy of having retired as undisputed champion. That will cost them $100million.

That figure is clearly achievable in the modern boxing world. It is believed that the Russians are projecting a rematch of the fabled battle between Lewis and Vitali Klitschko in Los Angeles in 2003, which the Englishman won on cuts and a year after which he announced his retirement without having boxed again.

The older of the Klitschko brothers, now 42, who holds the WBC world title, has campaigned consistently for a return bout. And if that were to become his last fight before retiring to seek the presidency of his native Ukraine it would be worth an absolute fortune.
Lewis would prefer to fight Wladimir, 37, saying: ‘I beat Vitali so I would like to fight the other brother but we’ll see how it works out. I want to bring back the Sweet Science to heavyweight boxing.

He was a more intent observer of Wladmir’s than most imagined while watching from ringside the younger Klitschko’s somewhat criticised victory over Povetkin.

The possibility of facing the holder of all the other heavyweight belts is on the mind of Lewis as he says: ‘In a way this fight confirmed my disappointment with the state of heavyweight boxing right now. The best I could find to challenge Wladimir was a kid who is not fully developed either physically or in terms of experience.
‘People paid a lot of money in expectation of a great fight but Povetkin was not properly prepared for the most important fight of his career.

‘Wladimir should have gone for the knockout after putting him down four times but I think he missed having Manny Steward in his corner. Manny would have told him what he told me when I fought Vitali - to go in and finish him.

I suspect Wladimir had a problem with his right hand because as the fight went on he didn’t use it that often. But having said that he showed great movement, was very light on his feet and was never in danger of losing.’

Lewis is aware of how severe the physical demands will be to come back at his age after 10 years out of the ring. He used to dedicate himself before big fights by going into seclusion in the hills of the Poconos, outside New York.

Now he says: ‘I will go back to the mountains and into isolation. With the Russians involved I am thinking of training in Siberia.

Anthony Joshua has sought the advice of Lewis during his transition from Olympic gold medallist at the London Games to his professional debut victory last Saturday and Lewis, a former Olympic champion himself, says: ‘Big Josh has the attributes to go all the way but we will have to see how it works out in his first 10 paid fights. It’s not fair to judge him before that.’

Clearly Lewis is confident that he can beat all the younger pretenders, Tyson Fury and David Haye included, to the richest crown in sport.

As for the future, Lewis intends to be deeply involved. Youngsters of world heavyweight title potential are being invited to submit videos of themselves in action to a website which opens on Monday for registration: www.insearchofchampions.com

The most promising will then be offered a chance to train at one of three camps which Lewis is in the process of setting up in London, Canada and Jamaica.
He says: ‘The training of heavyweights is a specialised business and we will help these young men in all aspects of it, training, management and promoting included.’

Lewis also believes that David Price, with whom he worked briefly before his upsetting rematch with Tony Thompson, can be brought back as a contender ‘as long as he gives me and my team enough time to do the job’

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If it didn't end early Vitali was about to knock Lennox
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There's a reason he retired

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>
>If it didn't end early Vitali was about to knock Lennox
>out
>
>There's a reason he retired

Agreed - but Vitali doesn't punch like that anymore, and
hasn't for a while. He has no legs beneath him to push
off of and has been primarily an arms puncher. I think
it'd be a slugfest, but if Lewis still has the power
(which is a big question) - I'd pick him over Vitali
today.


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It looked like as the fight went on Lennox was gathering himself and was starting to put some things on him. Earlier on it did look like Lennox was getting toasted but after a few rounds I thought he was starting to come on.

I get confused when people act like Vitali was for sure gonna dominate

Then again I haven't seen the fight in a really long time. Definitely gonna watch it again soon

>I get confused when people act like Vitali was for sure gonna
>dominate
>
>Then again I haven't seen the fight in a really long time.
>Definitely gonna watch it again soon

vitali was winning on all 3 scorecards when the stoppage occurred,
and lewis didn't seem to have the conditioning to maintain his work-rate as the fight progressed....But Lewis def still had his
moments - and really blasted Vitali with some huge shots that would've
knocked most HW's out...so it was going to be competitive either way, but to me it looked like Vitali had more will to win that fight, and was winning it until the stoppage occurred.

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It seemed like Lennox disrespected Vitali & thus did nothing to prepare for the fight except show-up on fight night. By the end of round one Lennox was already huffing & puffing......which was so unlike him. It was as if Lennox said fuck it...I'm not in shape to last 12 rds so, I'm going to walk through his punches & let him punch himself out then I'll throw some bombs. He clearly had no intent in boxing.....which is AGAIN so unlike him.

If there were a rematch.....Lennox would be in MUCH BETTER SHAPE & would be able to move around the ring & use his jab to set up his right/get inside as opposed to being a stationary target & walking inside by eating punches. Let's not forget Vitali himself was staggering throughout the fight & Lennox didn't even land one of his trademark right.

i'm assuming some russian oligarchs are backing this idea but still DAMN
would there really be any PPV demand for this?
no idea how much money lewis has right today but it's pretty impressive for him to be like "nah double it" when presented with 50m
this shit doesn't really sound legit to me

That's a ridiculous payday for this fight and
more than enough for him if he was serious in
wanting to prove he's better than the Klitschkos,
even now.

He priced himself out on purpose.


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lol crazy

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He'd probably fight Wlad if the winner got a fight with Lox...

HAHAHA!