that was the point. your comparison really shows that one is underrated, not that the other is really that overrated.


>He wasn't too bad on defense either, it's just that one 2b a
>decade gets in the hall, and his career coincided with Joe
>Morgan's, so he's on the outside looking in. Gwynn really is
>overrated, he hit a ton of singles and rarely walked. Raines
>actually reached base more times in his career than Gwynn did,
>hit 35 more home runs, and stole almost 500 more bases while
>getting caught stealing only 21 more times. Gwynn is a
>.338/.388/.459 player, Raines is a .294/.385/.425, 1 gets 97%
>of the HOF vote, the other can't get ahead of Jack Morris on
>the ballot. With these two, as with Jeter and Lou, I think
>their levels of "ratedness" should fall somewhere in between
>where they are.

Same as above. And yeah Gwynn is probably somewhat overrated but let's not act like he was Ichiro, .388 career OBP is excellent and very respectable .459 SLG%, 132 OPS+ and 763 XBH (50 more than Raines) and a very good basestealer + excellent rightfielder when he was younger. I'm as mad as anybody that Raines isn't getting the HOF votes he deserves, but that doesn't make Gwynn any less of a great player.


>Jeter's level of perception benefits greatly from being a
>Yankee and playing with enough other HOFers get to the
>postseason every year and win a few rings.

Of course it does. But he's still a great player regardless. And yeah those were great teams he was on but since you brought it up he actually won his first few rings playing with only one other HOFer.

>If he has the same
>career in Kansas City and never makes the playoffs, where
>would he be on the public's radar?

he's going to pass Honus Wagner next season for most hits ever by a SS and should be top 5 all-time in hits the following year (barring injury), that would put him on the radar no matter where he was playing. would he be on the general public's radar like he is now on magazine covers and running through hollywood starlets like water? no. but his career accomplishments would now be getting recognition and he would still be a 1st-ballot HOFer.