>First: Mike is Mike. Show me all the 2 guards with lists like
>Kobe's and titles to boot and then we'll talk. Also, show me
>all the players with a 17th season like this, where he's
>basically putting up prime numbers. In fact, show me all the
>players with a 17 year career that do not have major
>statistical deviations along the way, because Kobe doesn't
>have it.

17 years work AGAINST Kobe here. Bird only played 13 lolol.

>>Bird
>>2× NBA Finals MVP (1984, 1986)
>>3× NBA Most Valuable Player (1984–1986)
>>12× NBA All-Star (1980–1988, 1990–1992)
>>9× All-NBA First Team (1980–1988)
>>All-NBA Second Team (1990)
>>3× NBA All-Defensive Second Team (1982–1984)
>>NBA All-Star Game MVP (1982)
>>3× Three-point Shootout champion (1986–1988)
>
>So far as Bird, LOL. Seriously, if you were going to do this,
>you8 should have at least looked at Bird's list first. Let's
>see.... Bird never lead the league in any major category if
>this is his correct list. Never lead in rebounds, assists or
>scoring. Does he have even ONE defensive first team
>appearance, let alone 9? Actually, outside the 2 extra MVP's,
>this list isn't really fucking with Kobe's.

Yeah, never lead the league in ppg. Only 2 more MVPs too. I guess that's a wash in Kobestan math LMAO. Kobe played 17 seasons got ONE MVP. Shine a spotlight on that shit.

>Kobe's got more:
>
>-All Star appearances
>-Titles
>-All NBA First Team appearances
>-Defensive First Team appearances
>-All Star MVP's
>-Scoring titles

in 4 more years.

>So, I mean... no on Bird. Kobe wins most of these categories,
>some of them handily. Bird got two more MVP's, Bean got 2 more
>titles. Which do you think LarrY legend would rather have?

C+ diversion. I'm sure Larry would give his 2 MVPs to Horry or anybody else with some extra rings.

>Which trophy do you think HE thinks is more valuable? Either
>way, Kobe's list is the better list. I notice you leave the
>titles out of it.

Umm because this was about individuals?

>>Magic
>>3× NBA Finals MVP (1980, 1982, 1987)
>>3× NBA Most Valuable Player (1987, 1989–1990)
>>12× NBA All-Star (1980, 1982–1992)
>>2× NBA All-Star Game MVP (1990, 1992)
>>9× All-NBA First Team (1983–1991)
>>All-NBA Second Team (1982)
>>4× NBA assists leader (1983–1984), (1986–1987)
>>2× NBA steals leader (1982–1983)
>
>Pretty similar. I don't see a single all defensive team
>appearance, but Kobe has 9. At most you could argue... 3 of
>those, which would still put bean at 6-0 to Magic.
>
>Kobe also has more All-NBA first team spots and All Star
>MVP's, and two scoring titles. So Magic clearly wins there
>with two more assists (two more titles than Kobe's scoring
>titles, don't play dumb. I know what you were about to say)
>and steals titles..... except those steals titles are dwarfed
>by ALL those damned Defensive Team appearances. That's a LOT.
>Like I said, even if you knock a few off, the gap is still
>huge.
>
>So, at best, you could say they're roughly even based on these
>lists. Worst? Kobe wins, based on these lists. Magic shows
>zero recognition for his defensive abilities, while Kobe
>racked up so many and did so well in his prime he got residual
>awards based on rep alone. Or did you forget there are two
>sides of the ball?
>
>Basically, Kobe belongs in that category and you're MAD.
>What's worse for you is you can't play the "B-b-b-b-b-but Kobe
>had SHAQ!!!!" card with Magic and Bird, considering how
>hilariously stacked their teams were in comparison to Kobe's
>title teams.
>
>Or did you forget to check the teammates each had on their
>title squads? I mean, add a prime James Worthy to those
>Kobe/Shaq years and we could be talking about 4-5 straight.
>Throw in Silk and Scott and Cooper while you're at. Give them
>those four guys it instead of Fish/Rob/Fox/Rice. Lol.
>
>The fourth best player on the Celtics was.. who... Dennis
>Johnson maybe? Weren't Mchale and Parrish there to shore up
>Bird's defensive inadequacies?

Ten years later and you don't get it lol. Having Shaq on the team wasn't the problem. Shit, if Kobe won some MVPs and Finals MVPs WITH SHAQ THERE that would have been really impressive. Larry and Magic were unquestioned leaders of super stacked teams. Kobestan loses again.