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730223, Spider-Man: Far From Home (Jon Watts, 2019)
Posted by j0510, Sun Jun-24-18 10:46 AM
https://www.instagram.com/p/BkYzfnXlJZg/

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/spider-man-far-home-tom-holland-reveals-title-next-movie-1122904

Tom Holland Reveals Next 'Spider-Man' Movie Is Called 'Far From Home'
JUNE 23, 2018 7:28pm PT by Aaron Couch

The 2019 sequel also stars Jake Gyllenhaal as the villain Mysterio.

The next Spider-Man movie is keeping on brand with its "home" theme.

Tom Holland revealed on Instagram Saturday that Spider-Man: Far From Home is the title of the upcoming sequel to Spider-Man: Homecoming. Holland also continued the fun he's been having on social media, noting that following the events of Avengers: Infinity War, the idea of a Spider-Man sequel seems rather impossible. (If you've seen it, you know why.)

The Far From Home title reflects that this will be the first Spider-Man solo movie to take the wallcrawler out of New York and put him in other parts of the world, such as London.

Sony and Marvel Studios' Spider-Man: Far From Home opens July 5, 2019 and will be the first Marvel Cinematic Universe movie to follow Avengers 4, which opens two months earlier. Homecoming director Jon Watts, who returns for the sequel, told THR last year that the film would see Spider-Man dealing with the fallout from Infinity War.

Spider-Man: Far From Home also stars Jake Gyllenhaal as the classic Spider-Man villain Mysterio. The film is written by Chris McKenna and Erik Sommers.

Spider-Man: Homecoming earned more than $880 million worldwide and helped solidify Holland's version Peter Parker as a Marvel fan favorite.

Next up, Marvel Studios has Ant-Man and The Wasp out July 6. It's followed by Captain Marvel on March 8, 2019, leading up to May's Avengers 4, which follows the cliffhanger ending of Infinity War.
732833, Spidey Stealth Suit
Posted by j0510, Sat Dec-08-18 03:37 PM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dt6xShFW4AEgK8E.jpg
732838, I almost hate that Jake Gyllenhaal is Mysterio...
Posted by rorschach, Sun Dec-09-18 10:31 AM
Now that FF and X-Men are allegedly somewhere in the pipeline, I'd love to see him get one of those characters. Reminds me of Mads Mikkelsen getting cast in Doctor Strange even though he would've been the perfect Dr. Doom.
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733230, Spider-Man: Far From Home | Teaser Trailer
Posted by j0510, Tue Jan-15-19 09:15 AM
Spider-Man: Far From Home | Teaser Trailer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUFmhKpZKlE
733231, thats not a Teaser Trailer..thats the movie
Posted by rdhull, Tue Jan-15-19 10:07 AM
>Spider-Man: Far From Home | Teaser Trailer
>
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUFmhKpZKlE
733234, RE: thats not a Teaser Trailer..thats the movie
Posted by go mack, Tue Jan-15-19 01:46 PM
Lol I definitely don't need to see another trailer after this one. I remember the last Spiderman Homecoming trailer gave the entire movie away basically. Im cool now, look forward to it and don't need to see more.
733233, looks generic and boring, but the last joke in that clip is hilarious
Posted by Tiger Woods, Tue Jan-15-19 11:55 AM
734816, SPIDER-MAN: FAR FROM HOME - Official Trailer
Posted by j0510, Mon May-06-19 08:07 AM
SPIDER-MAN: FAR FROM HOME - Official Trailer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nt9L1jCKGnE
734821, Well, that answered quite a bit
Posted by spenzalii, Mon May-06-19 10:17 AM
Got to hand it to Marvel for being forward thinking and Tim for keeping his mouth shut. We're now going MCU multiverse (which, yes, Spiderverse did first).

Not sure if Mystereo is really a good guy (like they reframed the Skrulls) or turns out to be a villain, but if you're leaning into the whole multiverse idea almost anything is possible and explained/copped out. Should be interesting.
734822, RE: Well, that answered quite a bit
Posted by xangeluvr, Mon May-06-19 11:28 AM
>Got to hand it to Marvel for being forward thinking and Tim
>for keeping his mouth shut. We're now going MCU multiverse
>(which, yes, Spiderverse did first).
>
>Not sure if Mystereo is really a good guy (like they reframed
>the Skrulls) or turns out to be a villain, but if you're
>leaning into the whole multiverse idea almost anything is
>possible and explained/copped out. Should be interesting.
>

Can u explain your comment about the MCU multiverse? Seems like just a continuation of the universe and time line od Endgame.
734844, Did you watch the trailer?
Posted by Cold Truth, Mon May-06-19 05:14 PM
Because this is explicitly clear in the trailer.

How it actually plays out in the movie is another matter, but this is directly mentioned in the trailer.
734871, Oh shit, haha
Posted by xangeluvr, Tue May-07-19 02:55 PM
>Because this is explicitly clear in the trailer.
>
>How it actually plays out in the movie is another matter, but
>this is directly mentioned in the trailer.

Damn I watched it in a not so quiet room the other day and totally did not hear that part about the multiverse, haha. Got it now, thanks.
734830, it's been touched on many times in the MCU actually
Posted by jrocc, Mon May-06-19 01:11 PM
Agent Carter, Ant-Man, Dr. Strange, Agents of SHIELD and even Iron Fist all established the multiverse exists in various degrees.
734845, Haven't seen the shows. Were they this explicit though?
Posted by Cold Truth, Mon May-06-19 05:16 PM
Because this introduces the actual multiverse- at least on the surface- with a character who states he is from one of those universes.

This is a significant leap from the allusions made in Doctor Strange or Ant-Man, being the confirmed reality of what was previously only teased.

Can't speak on what was done in the shows though.
734836, neat
Posted by hardware, Mon May-06-19 03:38 PM
734855, #bitchplease
Posted by JFrost1117, Tue May-07-19 01:15 AM
Lmao, Fury's not having it.

I'm not having believing Mysterio is from another dimension. He's gotta be on some flimflam fuckshit.
734873, Does anyone think that the MCU will bring in the Sinister Six?
Posted by rorschach, Tue May-07-19 03:33 PM
Vulture is in the MCU and now Mysterio is also. I wouldn't be surprised if the other villains make appearances over the next decade, especially since Disney+ will have MCU shows.
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734875, i mean, they could probably let that goofy ass Venom cross over
Posted by hardware, Tue May-07-19 03:37 PM
734876, I could see Venom crossing over one condition....
Posted by rorschach, Tue May-07-19 03:42 PM
the producers of Spiderman handle it. Venom was way better than I expected as a movie but that's not saying much since I thought it would be complete trash (Venom was trash in spots). I know Venom's the crowd favorite villain but Spiderman has so many other villains in his rogues gallery that it would be a shame to waste Tom Holland on villains that have already existed in other films.

Give me a Kraven the Hunter installment that plays like The Most Dangerous Game. Or maybe someone obscure like the Prowler, who already exists in the MCU.
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735318, Agreed on Kraven
Posted by walihorse, Fri Jun-28-19 10:43 AM
735321, Tom Holland wanted them to get Jason Momoa for Kraven
Posted by BigWorm, Fri Jun-28-19 02:24 PM
Which I think is PERFECT casting.

I never cared for Kraven as a villain but that kind of casting would make me very interested. The dynamic between Holland and Momoa alone would have been worth the price of admission.

Maybe for Spiderman 3? I kind of doubt it, though.

I just hope that, good Lord, they don't bring Venom into the universe. Just no. Bring back Doc Oc. Electro. Morbius. Even Carnage. But hopefully Feige and them took notes from Spiderman 3 that the Venom/Spiderman story just doesn't work onscreen, not unless you're ready to devote a whole trilogy to it.
735331, agreed on Venom
Posted by walihorse, Mon Jul-01-19 10:35 AM
I didn't know know about Jason as an asked casting, I think he would do well with it also.
735359, Kraven would be good for one major reason... *spoilers*
Posted by Frank Longo, Thu Jul-04-19 11:52 AM
... because now that Peter's identity is out there, he's super exposed, as are his friends. Tying into my complaints about the series so far below, I think having Kraven try to prove himself as a hunter, using Peter's friends/May/etc as bait, etc... that would go a long way toward creating a very personal story that has real threat and real stakes.

(Plus, I feel like it wouldn't need to be as CGI-heavy? Am I crazy for thinking that? You could use more practical fighting, which would rule.)
735370, they already have
Posted by jrocc, Fri Jul-05-19 08:28 PM
Vulture
Shocker
Scorpion
Prowler
and Mysterio

it would be very easy to add another person to the mix and team up. my guess is either Norman Osborn, Kraven or Electro.
734874, .
Posted by rorschach, Tue May-07-19 03:37 PM
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735317, up
Posted by Castro, Thu Jun-27-19 04:55 AM
735332, lol obviously everyone was waiting on bwood's early review
Posted by BigWorm, Mon Jul-01-19 11:01 AM
Now we just have to wait one day and see for ourselves.

Although it's not like we all weren't going to go see it regardless.

He could come in here saying it was the worst Marvel movie since the Incredible Hulk and we'd all be like damn, it's a shame we already bought our tickets two weeks ago.
735343, Saw it today - liked it- BUT...
Posted by handle, Wed Jul-03-19 12:26 AM
Peter Parker is a fucking IDIOT too much.

Sure, he's a kid - but he does some stupid shit.
735344, I liked it a lot. Probably more than Homecoming
Posted by Beamer6178, Wed Jul-03-19 03:46 AM
Great humor throughout and very believable take on a post Endgame world.

Mid-credits scene set up a hell of a scenario for the next movie.

735345, great, ovreall better than Homecoming (full review)
Posted by BigWorm, Wed Jul-03-19 06:36 AM
The mid-credit and post-credit scenes are great.

Like Homecoming it's refreshing and doesn't just feel like it's meant to set up another Avengers movie or some greater scale story arc.

Jake Gyllenhaal has certainly come a long way from Donnie Darko. He's really good in this. Mysterio is a character that could easily come off as cheesy, but he makes it work.

Tom Holland is simply the best Spiderman/Peter Parker we've seen so far. He's a teenager, and he occasionally makes bad choices. He has amazing powers, but he still doesn't quite know how to use them. He can be wise cracking as Spiderman, but also an awkward kid as Peter. They never outright say the old line, "with great power comes great responsibility" but they show it as over and over Peter learns what happens when he's irresponsible with the powers he has or is given.

The rest of the cast does a good job, and this time around Martin Starr is (rightfully) given much more to work with and shows his comedic chops.

For once, the love story doesn't feel rushed or phoned in. It's helpless puppy love, and you can see why MJ would be into Peter just as much as Peter is into her. Yay MJ isn't just a flat character to exist only as a love interest--she has personality.

The chemistry between Fury and Spiderman is good to. If Iron Man was a father figure to Spiderman, Fury is like the gym teacher that doesn't really have time for Spiderman's bullshit.

Overall A-. It inevitably can't match an epic movie like Endgame, but as a movie that serves as both an action movie and a teen comedy, the stakes are low and it nails it.
735347, SPOILERS
Posted by Beamer6178, Wed Jul-03-19 02:28 PM
Interesting how they're setting up Flash Thompson's progression...he has money but no close family ties, seemingly detached parental units, even if they got the cash...are they gonna make him venom? what other direction can they go with this? it's not random that they're shwoing this.


Also, was Fury chilling the entire time, or was he actually there for a stretch? Can't imagine someone else would have given Peter those glasses.

>The mid-credit and post-credit scenes are great.
>
>Like Homecoming it's refreshing and doesn't just feel like
>it's meant to set up another Avengers movie or some greater
>scale story arc.
>
>Jake Gyllenhaal has certainly come a long way from Donnie
>Darko. He's really good in this. Mysterio is a character that
>could easily come off as cheesy, but he makes it work.
>
>Tom Holland is simply the best Spiderman/Peter Parker we've
>seen so far. He's a teenager, and he occasionally makes bad
>choices. He has amazing powers, but he still doesn't quite
>know how to use them. He can be wise cracking as Spiderman,
>but also an awkward kid as Peter. They never outright say the
>old line, "with great power comes great responsibility" but
>they show it as over and over Peter learns what happens when
>he's irresponsible with the powers he has or is given.
>
>The rest of the cast does a good job, and this time around
>Martin Starr is (rightfully) given much more to work with and
>shows his comedic chops.
>
>For once, the love story doesn't feel rushed or phoned in.
>It's helpless puppy love, and you can see why MJ would be into
>Peter just as much as Peter is into her. Yay MJ isn't just a
>flat character to exist only as a love interest--she has
>personality.
>
>The chemistry between Fury and Spiderman is good to. If Iron
>Man was a father figure to Spiderman, Fury is like the gym
>teacher that doesn't really have time for Spiderman's
>bullshit.
>
>Overall A-. It inevitably can't match an epic movie like
>Endgame, but as a movie that serves as both an action movie
>and a teen comedy, the stakes are low and it nails it.
735371, RE: SPOILERS
Posted by jrocc, Fri Jul-05-19 08:31 PM
Fury was in outer space so it's safe to say he was gone the whole time as this seemed to only take place over a few days. the task was supposed to be simple.
735348, More fun than Homecoming, but it was a little flabby
Posted by Nodima, Wed Jul-03-19 02:52 PM
Homecoming was a tighter, better movie, but this was an excellent summer comedy and a great signal that the MCU is gonna be just fine without the OGs. It's also kind of fun that we have no idea where they're taking this, but they've established that Spider-Man can go just about anywhere next. I love that they started him so young.

I feel like the next logical step is putting Peter in college and meeting Dr. Connors (maybe Octavius too?) but let both of them stew for a film or two as normal characters before the turn (sort of like how the Spider-Man PS4 game had Peter and Ock as mentor/mentee and co-workers for over half the game) while this next movie could have a way lower stakes villain like Punisher / Kraven trying to cash in a contract on Peter, or just do a simpler love triangle thing with Black Cat and MJ as bad and good angels on his shoulder and just completely remove the villain stakes and focus on Spidey's petty crimes division for once.

My one real strong gripe with this movie was how much obvious CGI there was at the end of the movie, it was Black Panther levels of obvious and just kind of pulled me out of the stakes, especially when it was flipping from the super CG'd Spider-Man to Gyllenhaal's face and back again. I wish they'd been able to do more practical filming, but I guess that is sort of the difficulty of Spider-Man's skillset, and his style of suit being so natural compared to Iron Man's.


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735358, A little disappointed, honestly. It's charming but SO weightless.
Posted by Frank Longo, Thu Jul-04-19 11:38 AM
Like, the cast is great. I like what they did with Mysterio. No *real* complaints.

But nothing even *remotely* verging on a classic action scene or even Spider-Man moment, really. It's honestly more of an Iron Man movie than a Spider-Man movie in a lot of ways. I'm not necessarily complaining about that... but a lot of this is familiar and/or stakesless to the point that it all amassed to a bit of a shrug. And I wonder if it's because it focused *so much* on being funny that we lost the emotional engagement.

There's no excuse with *this* cast and how great it is for these movies to fail to hit the heights of, say, Spider-Man 2. Nothing in this *sniffs* the Doc Ock action. Or the train sequence. Or the MJ identity reveal. Or the "Go get em, Tiger" at the end. Raimi understands how to stage action, and he understands that sometimes, to create those big emotional moments, you have to get earnest. Maybe even risk getting corny. Watts simply isn't down for that at all. So often in this movie, scenes that are building emotion undercut that emotion with one-liners or zingers or whatever.

The most effective emotional scene is when Happy sees Peter tinkering with the armor and is reminded of Tony, because it's one of the very, very few scenes where they don't immediately hit us with a joke. I think back to the Michael Keaton car scene in the first Holland Spidey too: it's got humor in it, but the emotions are real, they aren't undercut, the threats are real. These movies need more of that, imo.

Also, the first Mysterio illusion sequence where Spidey gets his ass kicked-- it starts getting actually scary, sets Mysterio up as a real threat, doesn't joke around. But then Spidey is just like, "Okay, I just have to sense where he is," and then he can do it perfectly next go around. No real build, no real threat, no explanation beyond "I have to do it, so I guess I will this time." Like, as corny as the sequence is in Raimi's Spider-Man 2 where he summons the strength to get his powers to work again, at least the movie is showing us *how* he develops. I feel like these movies shortcut a lot of those steps. Maybe because Watts just isn't the same caliber filmmaker. Maybe they needed to show Mysterio as the bad guy earlier (especially since, let's be honest, we ALL knew it was going there, and guaranteed the majority of audiences do too), establish the illusion threat earlier, etc. I don't know the answer. I just didn't love how easy it was to beat him immediately after it seemed impossible to do so.

Again, all this makes me seem way lower on it than I am. It was a fun time. But with this cast, there's *no excuse* not to create a classic Spider-Man movie. They've got real characters and the perfect cast-- so give me *real* stakes, *real* emotion, *real* threats, *real* classic action. So far they seem fairly content two movies in to create amusing, entertaining, but forgettable flicks.
735365, It is virtually impossible to create high enough stakes following Endgame
Posted by Beamer6178, Fri Jul-05-19 10:22 AM
Mind you, I don't really disagree with just about anything you said, save you having issues with it, albeit minor.

Tobey's Spiderman was the first significant standalone superhero franchise since Keaton's Batman. Tom's Spiderman was introduced as a cameo, graduated to tertiary, but is just stepping into his own.

The weight of everything that has occurred (and that he missed for 5 years) is still heavy on him. His "recently discovered he was Spiderman worry non stop Aunt" had to pack his suit for him. The doubts that plagued Tobey in S2 are on steroids for Tom, AND he's still in high school.

Those are a lot of moving parts. And in the MCU way, it's usually the heroes themselves that are the biggest obstacles, not the villains. That held true in this flick. His talk with Happy and designing of his suit kind of signaled he was going to resolve this.


However, I think the mid and post credit scenes did plenty to raise the stakes and set things forward for phase 4 of the MCU.



>Like, the cast is great. I like what they did with Mysterio.
>No *real* complaints.
>
>But nothing even *remotely* verging on a classic action scene
>or even Spider-Man moment, really. It's honestly more of an
>Iron Man movie than a Spider-Man movie in a lot of ways. I'm
>not necessarily complaining about that... but a lot of this is
>familiar and/or stakesless to the point that it all amassed to
>a bit of a shrug. And I wonder if it's because it focused *so
>much* on being funny that we lost the emotional engagement.
>
>There's no excuse with *this* cast and how great it is for
>these movies to fail to hit the heights of, say, Spider-Man 2.
>Nothing in this *sniffs* the Doc Ock action. Or the train
>sequence. Or the MJ identity reveal. Or the "Go get em, Tiger"
>at the end. Raimi understands how to stage action, and he
>understands that sometimes, to create those big emotional
>moments, you have to get earnest. Maybe even risk getting
>corny. Watts simply isn't down for that at all. So often in
>this movie, scenes that are building emotion undercut that
>emotion with one-liners or zingers or whatever.
>
>The most effective emotional scene is when Happy sees Peter
>tinkering with the armor and is reminded of Tony, because it's
>one of the very, very few scenes where they don't immediately
>hit us with a joke. I think back to the Michael Keaton car
>scene in the first Holland Spidey too: it's got humor in it,
>but the emotions are real, they aren't undercut, the threats
>are real. These movies need more of that, imo.
>
>Also, the first Mysterio illusion sequence where Spidey gets
>his ass kicked-- it starts getting actually scary, sets
>Mysterio up as a real threat, doesn't joke around. But then
>Spidey is just like, "Okay, I just have to sense where he is,"
>and then he can do it perfectly next go around. No real build,
>no real threat, no explanation beyond "I have to do it, so I
>guess I will this time." Like, as corny as the sequence is in
>Raimi's Spider-Man 2 where he summons the strength to get his
>powers to work again, at least the movie is showing us *how*
>he develops. I feel like these movies shortcut a lot of those
>steps. Maybe because Watts just isn't the same caliber
>filmmaker. Maybe they needed to show Mysterio as the bad guy
>earlier (especially since, let's be honest, we ALL knew it was
>going there, and guaranteed the majority of audiences do too),
>establish the illusion threat earlier, etc. I don't know the
>answer. I just didn't love how easy it was to beat him
>immediately after it seemed impossible to do so.
>
>Again, all this makes me seem way lower on it than I am. It
>was a fun time. But with this cast, there's *no excuse* not to
>create a classic Spider-Man movie. They've got real characters
>and the perfect cast-- so give me *real* stakes, *real*
>emotion, *real* threats, *real* classic action. So far they
>seem fairly content two movies in to create amusing,
>entertaining, but forgettable flicks.
735366, I think he meant more that this movie really had no stakes
Posted by Nodima, Fri Jul-05-19 11:47 AM
Not big or little, but just none at all. This is kind of what I was getting at with my comment too, he just articulated it better. Far From Home is a ton of fun, but it was missing the actual stakes behind Vulture's relationship to Peter and his personal motivations for doing what he was doing. The stakes were low, the lowest of anything outside the Ant-Man films, but it got what made the stakes high *for those characters* and presented them as such. Here, Spidey doesn't really doubt that he can defeat Mysterio, he just gets what the problem is and deals with it. There's no one for him to bounce off of, either, because Mysterio is the only one that gets it and he's not exactly about to give Peter any ideas.

Far From Home does that a lot; it shrugs off the Blip for the most part, it shrugs off the damage to the cities after so much of Phase 3 dealt with the fall out of the critic reactions to Avengers, Ultron and the Superman movie, it honestly shrugs off the people who know Peter is Spider-Man compared to how excited Ned was and conflicted/angered Adrian was in the first film.

I don't think Far From Home needed stakes as high as Endgame - and as it goes, Mysterio and his motivations were *perfect* for a film following up that one - I just think the screenplay was content to let a lot of big moments come and go without a real emotional weight to them, which is something I know people say about a lot of these movies but I really think Phase 3 in particular has been excellent at making the inevitable seem plausibly impossible, and its characters convincingly unsure of their inevitability (other than Thanos, which was what made him a great final boss) as well.

Like, I was speculating above where they could take this story now that the world knows who Spider-Man is but the state of play has also effectively been reset to zero in Spider-Man's world otherwise. What makes the first two Raimi films great is that there's no greater context to the story other than Peter Parker and his struggles with growing up under the pressure of being capable of being Spider-Man, and the stakes really aren't any higher in those movies than never meet your heroes, easy and nimble morality tales with superpowers (hell, the villains don't even really have *powers*).

After Far From Home, there's no worry that Spider-Man movies will be mediocre or bad any time soon, it's more that this super awesome version of the character will be stuck having to deal with whatever's going on in the MCU all the time and never have time for another car ride with the father of his would-be girlfriend who also happens to be his first nemesis, where the stakes are confined to a very specific set of people, but for those people it's all that matters. That's the greatness of Spider-Man as a character, and sometimes Far From Home missed the boat on that.


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735387, Yep, cosign all of that.
Posted by Frank Longo, Sun Jul-07-19 11:52 PM
735375, These Spiderman movies are high school dramas tho
Posted by hardware, Sat Jul-06-19 04:49 PM
The superhero stuff is kinda extra until he graduates college. The stakes are always gonna be him holding down a life more than it is defeating a villain.
735386, But that's my problem. We hardly get those stakes either.
Posted by Frank Longo, Sun Jul-07-19 11:51 PM
>The stakes are always gonna be him holding down a
>life more than it is defeating a villain.

First of all, over half the film is dedicated to the villain. So those scenes *need* personal stakes. And we don't have them.

Second, the Peter/MJ conflict also, outside of *maybe* the opera scene, doesn't really have earnest emotional stakes imo. It's a lot of jokey sitcom shtick, which I'm cool with... but nothing compared to the personal stakes of Spidey 2, or Into the Spider-Verse... or even Spidey: Homecoming tbh.

It's content to just be fun and jokey throughout. Which is fine. But I prefer more earnest engagement personally.
735414, I think that's a Marvel issue, not a Spiderman movie issue
Posted by Beamer6178, Mon Aug-05-19 10:30 AM
Watched the original Spiderman trilogy with my son over the past few weeks and we watched the heavily lampooned but very strong in parts S3 last night.

Taking Sandman out would have made it more cohesive overall and rival, if not surpass S2. Though my boys found Green Goblin scarier than Thanos (go figure), we never felt Peter was actually going to LOSE until Venom appeared. Also, the dynamic between a beloved hero and the starlet love of his life who quickly becomes yesterday's news AS his star is rising, with a former one note third wheel (they finally let Franco act in this one) becoming a compelling completion of the triangle was very well done, but a bit rushed in parts due to Sandman screen time.

Point is, because the Raimi trilogy was on a complete solo mission, they never put training wheels on him. He WAS the hero.

Marvel has not taken the training wheels off of Spiderman yet. In Civil War, he catches the fabled Winter Soldier arm like it's sparring practice, yet he has barely had the tires kicked. Even in Homecoming the implications of Vulture getting Stark tech is that *perhaps* some of the Avengers will be needed to stop him. The Beck/Stark outcast plan would have allowed them to manipulate more public opinion on a grand scale, but still not cataclysmic.

It APPEARS that the next film will raise the stakes significantly, without even knowing what villains are coming, (flash thompson will probably become more prominent) but until his identity was revealed, Holland's Spidey has had nowhere near the responsibility that Tobey's did. Stark's shadow looms so large that all problems thus far are of HIS creation, not Spiderman's.

>>The stakes are always gonna be him holding down a
>>life more than it is defeating a villain.
>
>First of all, over half the film is dedicated to the villain.
>So those scenes *need* personal stakes. And we don't have
>them.
>
>Second, the Peter/MJ conflict also, outside of *maybe* the
>opera scene, doesn't really have earnest emotional stakes imo.
>It's a lot of jokey sitcom shtick, which I'm cool with... but
>nothing compared to the personal stakes of Spidey 2, or Into
>the Spider-Verse... or even Spidey: Homecoming tbh.
>
>It's content to just be fun and jokey throughout. Which is
>fine. But I prefer more earnest engagement personally.
735380, So are we gonna see...
Posted by hardware, Sat Jul-06-19 11:49 PM
Chameleon now? I mean that usb drive is gonna end up in somebody's hands.
735440, man Mysterio is cool as fuck.
Posted by BrooklynWHAT, Wed Aug-07-19 02:12 PM