You gotta remember: This is REGULAR NON-CABLE TV
http://youtu.be/4HrpCFXYpwY

He was holding it down on some black shit way back

Obviously couldn't compete with Jay and Dave and them
for late night, but had solid ratings

The Farrakhan shit was his undoing...white people weren't
having that, he put his integrity ahead of everything else

On the dock of that bay serving a life sentence,even if I�m going to hell I�m gonna make an entrance

He was collateral during the Leno/Letterman wars and NBC had guests embargo his show because they were not about to fight that war on TWO fronts.

that did him in

Arsenio would have survived the Leno embargo just fine

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>that did him in
>
>Arsenio would have survived the Leno embargo just fine


never ever got the impression they had the same guests


matter o fact i never watched leno nor dave
waaaay out of my demo at the time

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>never ever got the impression they had the same guests

Neither had anything to do with Arsenio


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>>that did him in
>>
>>Arsenio would have survived the Leno embargo just fine
>
>
>never ever got the impression they had the same guests
>


shit he was the first person to have Me'shell Ndegeocello on WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY BEFORE everyone else did.

I mean, it was clear from jump Leno and Letterman weren't checking for Arsenio's guests, etc.

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..arsenio had his pros & cons like everyone else

but this was a pivotal moment in pac's career...


..and miles to go before i sleep...

at that time, it seemed huge to us... so Arsenio was on the low end of ratings? all the footage one finds is classic, but maybe it's just nostalgia getting the best of me

and damn, what a moment in Pac's life. Blud came off calm ass shit for all the shit he was dealing with.

people loved him and his show.....he was the one to tell the late night talk show honchos that there could be another option....

i agree that he got caught up on the late night wars cause he was getting to be TOO big (and black)...i'm still suprised they cut him off, cause they had to have lost alot of money in doing so....

>i agree that he got caught up on the late night wars cause he
>was getting to be TOO big (and black)...i'm still suprised
>they cut him off, cause they had to have lost alot of money in
>doing so....

Nope. I remember this. At one point ratings were tanking, because he was NOT getting consistently good (i.e. "big/relevant at the moment") guests. It was all great at first, but after a while, guests like 2pac were few and far between. He had a loyal following, but it wasn't enough. The ratings were maaad low. It's been a while, but I want to say at one point the show was pushed back further into the night than when it started out.

I was sad when it went off the air, but at the time it didn't come as much of a surprise.

most people of color and more than a few whitefolks loved him...i agree that he may have have a down turn in the ratings, but again, this was during the late night wars, and the very beginning of someone doing late night outside of the big 3, so i think his ratings dipped a bit and folks used that as an excuse to cut him off..

>
>You gotta remember: This is REGULAR NON-CABLE TV
>http://youtu.be/4HrpCFXYpwY
>
>He was holding it down on some black shit way back
>
>Obviously couldn't compete with Jay and Dave and them
>for late night, but had solid ratings
>
>The Farrakhan shit was his undoing...white people weren't
>having that, he put his integrity ahead of everything else
>
>
i never understood at my age how he wasn't better than corny ass leno and letterman.

because I watched him closely in the early days of his show (where else was a kid gonna see KRS-One getting two full interview segments in 1990 on a non-cable TV late night talk show?) up until around '93/94 when my attention got a bit diverted by dumb-ass high-school shit.

I remember the press making a big deal of his 'I'm gonna kick Jay Leno's ass' comments, vaguely recall flap over Farrakhan but I don't have a clear picture in my mind of the show's final frames.

LOL

Niggas are stupid as fuck

Nobody needed Arsenio to compete with Jay or
Dave you stupid motherfuckuaz

He was on Channel 9 or some shit (NYC), one of the
bootleg regular channels

Not CBS, ABC or NBC

He wasn't even on a major network, niggas didn't
need him to push high ratings to be profitable

He was always a niche market type of nigga, never
expected to do any better

He FAR EXCEEDED what he was supposed to do

I GUARANTEE they lost money after he left....the
show they replaced him with was doo doo and nobody
watched it

why the fuck was he canceled. was it his decision. i mean it just made no sense to me as youngster 9-13 when that show went off the air

>why the fuck was he canceled. was it his decision. i mean it
>just made no sense to me as youngster 9-13 when that show went
>off the air

It was clearly Farrakhan

CLEARLY

He overstepped his boundaries as a black man

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>
>LOL
>
>Niggas are stupid as fuck
>
>Nobody needed Arsenio to compete with Jay or
>Dave you stupid motherfuckuaz
>
>He was on Channel 9 or some shit (NYC), one of the
>bootleg regular channels
>
>Not CBS, ABC or NBC
>
>He wasn't even on a major network, niggas didn't
>need him to push high ratings to be profitable
never realized he wasn't on a major network in other markets.


>He was always a niche market type of nigga, never
>expected to do any better
>
>He FAR EXCEEDED what he was supposed to do
>
>I GUARANTEE they lost money after he left....the
>show they replaced him with was doo doo and nobody
>watched it
they need to do some sort of hollywood story piece or something on that show. its kind of crazy how often i shirked sleep as a youngster to watch that joint

In Chicago his show aired on CBS also so I assumed it was a CBS school.


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Matter of fact I'm almost positive

Yeah, it was Channel 9

in NYC channel 2 is CBS

4 is NBC

7 is ABC

It definitely wasn't on none of those


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I think, at least

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Party_Machine_with_Nia_Peeples


Just because a show is on a local network station, especially if it airs before and after prime-time, does not mean it's that network's show

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>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Party_Machine_with_Nia_Peeples


DOOOOOOOOOGGG

You just flooored me with that!!

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

That was my SHIT!!!


>Just because a show is on a local network station, especially
>if it airs before and after prime-time, does not mean it's
>that network's show

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he was on FOX 17.

Go back and watch Youtube clips and it's amazing that show was on network television.

>Go back and watch Youtube clips and it's amazing that show
>was on network television.

The original Wu-Tang performance?

The famous Jodeci performance and interview?




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Had them talking candidly about lip syncing and they were being mad remorseful. Arsenio has great interviews but big names would not show up for huge gaps of time. Hell it wasn't until the final season that Eddie Murphy came through, and he got him the show!

> Hell it wasn't
>until the final season that Eddie Murphy came through, and he
>got him the show!

and he was definitely on the show after that before the final season.

>>Go back and watch Youtube clips and it's amazing that show
>>was on network television.
>
>The original Wu-Tang performance?


I was in the audience for that one

Clinton playing "Hearbreak Hotel" on the sax while rocking shades is probably one of his most iconic moments. And it is considered one of the all-time great moments in late night TV. Certainly one of the more "important" moments as well. And I don't think he would have been able to pull something like that off on Leno or Letterman.

>Clinton playing "Hearbreak Hotel" on the sax while rocking
>shades is probably one of his most iconic moments.


Can't really say it helped Clinton get elected

That demographic was already voting for Clinton


And it is
>considered one of the all-time great moments in late night TV.
>Certainly one of the more "important" moments as well. And I
>don't think he would have been able to pull something like
>that off on Leno or Letterman.

This is definitely true

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>And I don't think he would have been able to pull something like
>that off on Leno or Letterman.

He did play "Summertime" on saxophone on Johnny Carson's "Tonight Show" in 1988 after he kind of bombed at the 1988 DNC. That was also a very big moment for Clinton.

Clinton was gonna sweep the primaries either way.

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I used to live across the street from where they taped it and I remember after the taping (day time), he was outside signing autographs. This was when "Keep your head up" was hitting on the radio. I was across the street playing outside and everyone was like "OH SHIT TUPAC!!!" He seemed super happy.

I met Arsenio too, same street, although I can't remember if it was before or after the Tupac thing, most likely before. Signed an autograph for me and my friends. Extremely nice guy.

I never watched the show because I was too young to really appreciate it but he always seemed like a cool dude. These youtube clips are making me kick myself for not watching it at the time, lol.

I think his monologues were not funny.

I think he is way too flattering / obsequious during his interviews.

I think the people he had on to interview were largely the same people I saw on every other show - and that his interviews brought nothing new out with them.

BUT....

I think he sometimes booked people for interviews that other talk shows would not.

And he had very very good hip-hop guests on his show - guests that I had never seen on TV - or had only seen on Yo MTV Raps.

If he comes back he'll be in the same category of viewing I have for Charlie Rose and Tavis Smiley -- I'll watch when they have someone interesting on the show and not for the hosts.

(And I'll probably watch the first few weeks regardless.)

....you gotta do more....what he needs to do with his new show is NOT be "a black late night show"

be "a GREAT late night show". Say what you want about Jimmy Fallon but they put on a GREAT show. Jimmy Kimmel too. So I'm hoping to see Arsenio do more. than what he did last time.

Try not to use the words "Eddie," "Prince," or "Obama"

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Jackée, Alonzo "Hamburger" Jones, with musical guest Bel Biv Devo.

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The late night talk show game is a tough one but I hope he lasts awhile.

since those big white checks started rolling in

>

Right.

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He was very underrated as an interviewer.

Like stop a street football game mid-play and clear the streets.

That shit doesn't happen anymore. Well because you can just DVR it and niggaz don't play in the street.

Like I said with Fallon, he's going to be fine once he works out the kinks... like the bits could stand to be funnier... that time capsule bit was a bit dusty, and the food truck bit didn't work...

It also appears that the idea is that he just took some time off and now he's back, as if he never left... I think he's aiming for cats around my age and older... that being said...

One thing that's obviously changed since his time on the air is the fact that social media is everywhere... not sure if it would behoove Arsenio to find a fresh way to incorporate it into the show (but NOT by doing "live tweeting" or any dumb shit like that... the show tapes at like 3:30 in the afternoon anyway so it wouldn't make a difference)

I'm sure there will be complaints about the sameness of the set but I don't mind that too much...

And he's going to definitely have to bring the star power... my only concern with that is how much politics are going to play into whom he can book for the show...

Bottom line is that it's great that he's back, because even with the abundance of talk shows out there, he's going to be able to once again cater to an underserved audience...

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The time capsule bit was painful...and the "what ive been doing for the past 19 years" bit went on waaay too long. By the time he got to the Downton Abby bit, i was almost ready to turn the channel.

Chris Tucker is a horrible interview...dunno if he was nervous or just didnt have anything interesting to say, but it felt like Arsenio was throwing him Alleys...but Tucker couldnt Oop it. Woulda been nice if he did a little standup as well, since he was promoting his tour.

Surprise guests? Paula Abdul? I got the connection, but come on man...







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I think he will be fine once the kinks are worked out. Doesn't bother me a bit that the set, posse, and much else felt exactly the same as when he left. Monologue will bet better, the bits will get funnier and the guests will come.

Wonder how long before Prince has the whole show again...

I'm usually not up that late during the week either so I'll have to catch the worthwhile stuff on youtube the following morning from here on out

it totally failed to capture my attention despite my hopes and numerous attempts to stomach the watching of it... seriously though.. it could only get better.

Odd how Chris tucker arsenio and snoop dancing
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