especially if i don't read comic books?

i just saw a commercial for the movie. it looks like a Matrix retread. what gives?

I might check it out on a slow weekend. Not in a rush to go see it though...

but not if i had to pay for the headphones.

wrong previews, how it this movie anything like The Matrix?

Shaun G.

the reality is that the ppl are actually hooked into some machine/network and the 'life' they experience is being lived through their surrogates. som'n goes wrong w/the machine/program. folks experience 'death' via their surrogates that results in their actual death in the real world.

that's what i can make out from the trailer.

it reminds me of The Matrix in that the ppl in that movie had been tricked into thinking they lived in a real world but they were actually hooked into a big machine and were 'living' in an idealized, digitally created world. death worked similarly. ppl who 'died' in the Matrix also died in the real world.

I actually read the graphic novel it's based on so I'm filling in stuff the trailer isn't making clear, but if the movie is faithful to the graphic novel it really isn't like the matrix at all.

Shaun G.

once i heard the movie is based on a graphic novel (though i'd heard it's a comic book) i figured there must be more to it than what the trailers show. that's part of why i made this post.

the trailers haven't convinced me the movie is worth my time or money.

>it reminds me of The Matrix in that the ppl in that movie had
>been tricked into thinking they lived in a real world but they
>were actually hooked into a big machine and were 'living' in
>an idealized, digitally created world. death worked
>similarly. ppl who 'died' in the Matrix also died in the real
>world.
>
>


no one is tricked into getting surrogates. Everyone willinging does it because your are effectively "safe" to do what ever you want from teh comfort of your own home. The Matrix was about freeing people and their minds from the enslavement of the machines in a world they thought was real.

Everyone in Surrogates lives in the real world...they just don't leave their houses.

so it's like OKP...only with better dialogue, bruce willis, and robots.

i wasn't under the impression that the folks in Surrogates were necessarily tricked into living through their surrogates.

the point is the ppl in both movies 'live' in a digital re-creation of the world.

so far this movie sounds less interesting than The Matrix.

looked at the trailer again to make sure I'm not filling in stuff the trailer makes confusing, but the people in this movie don't live in a digital recreation of the world.

Shaun G.

the more I talk about it the more this seems like veiled matrix hate.

I mean name one movie and it will have at minimum 2 different movies done before it that follow the same scheme.

Not totally convinced, but on a slow weekend, maybe. I really woul dlike Bruce to win and get in a good movie, but it doens't look like this will be it.

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name ONE action flick STARRING BRUCE WILLIS in the last 20 years that has SUCKED...


you can't...


and that's why it's worth the watch

>name ONE action flick STARRING BRUCE WILLIS in the last 20
>years that has SUCKED...

Striking Distance
Last Man Standing
The Jackal
Mercury Rising
Armageddon
The Siege
Tears of the Sun
Hostage
Live Free or Die Hard

But I'll still check out a sneak peek of Surrogates on the 24th unless the Gamecocks are givin Ole Miss a run for their money

>>name ONE action flick STARRING BRUCE WILLIS in the last 20
>>years that has SUCKED...

>The Jackal
>Armageddon
>The Siege
>Tears of the Sun

>>>name ONE action flick STARRING BRUCE WILLIS in the last 20
>>>years that has SUCKED...
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>>The Jackal

I can only recall some shiddy disguises from Bruce, a shiddy accent from Dick Gere & Diane Venora, & Jack Black gettin his arm blown off by a big ass gun. I forgot Sidney Poitier was even in it so yeah it's safe to say it sucked.

>>Armageddon

Def Leppard's concert video>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>the movie

Are ya gettin it!?!?!

>>The Siege

I didn't get it (c)The Ceej

>>Tears of the Sun

As much as I love Monica Bellucci as a nurse & doin anything she can for the brothas, overall the movie was still lacking.

but SUCKED?

come on...

SUCKED?

like those movies get F's as a grade?

NO

(comic-form or otherwise) that when I read the book (which I liked a whole lot), the comparison didn't even hit me.

It's obvious that anything involving VR and sci-fi is going to owe a debt to Neuromancer and Gibson's other works, just like The Matrix does.

Hell, Tron covered many of the same themes in 1982. Did you ever say 'Why do I need to see The Matrix when I've already seen Tron?'

it's a genre thing.

okay.

i'm not into sci fi for the most part. i saw and loved The Matrix. it was a rarity.

now i get it though. thanks for the explanation.

and for the record: i didn't see Tron. LOL

Which is kinda surprising considering I was prime demographic age when it first came out (10 y.o.)

It stank.

But still - take a look at this Wiki description of the Tron plot:

"Flynn is taken first to a holding pit, where he meets the Program Ram, and then is taken with a number of other Programs to meet Sark. Sark then informs everyone that they can either renounce their belief in the Users and join the MCP, or they will be forced to play games that result in their eventual elimination. Flynn eventually meets Tron (Alan's program), and he, Tron and Ram escape from the Light Cycle arena into the system, prompting Sark to send out his forces in pursuit. Eventually, a tank fires at the group, killing Ram and separating Flynn and Tron. While continuing to follow Tron, Flynn gradually discovers that as a User he possesses god-like powers within the computer dimension, enabling him to manipulate its 'physical' laws at will."

Apparently there was a movie called Brainstorm from 1983 that used a similar early approach to VR. Haven't seen that one.

And if you haven't read Neuromancer, it's worth a library loan even if you're not a big science fiction fan.

lol

i didn't see Tron but i wanted to b/c the graphics looked cool in the trailers/commercials. i was maybe 6 when the movie came out.

i might be tricked into seeing the remake. mostly b/c the graphics look cool. maybe i'll wait and rent/download/bootleg it, instead.

>lol

>i didn't see Tron but i wanted to b/c the graphics looked cool
>in the trailers/commercials. i was maybe 6 when the movie
>came out.

The graphics were the coolest thing and for the most part held up surprisingly well. The bike race is wicked.

Plotwise, what the above means:
-people (users) get sucked into the computer
-their digital avatars interact with a program that wants to dominate the users
-users who expire in digital form expire


>i might be tricked into seeing the remake. mostly b/c the
>graphics look cool. maybe i'll wait and rent/download/bootleg
>it, instead.

Yeah, I'm not seeing that shit.

i'd watch the new Tron for free. but i won't pay for it.

the light cycles ALONE were worth me not buying dessert at lunch




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well, when I was 8 it was and don't think I've seen it since

I'll just keep my childhood memory and not re-watch it

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It was a lot better than I anticipated. I didn't read the graphic novel so I wasn't too familiar with the story outside of what was on the commercials.

wow. i was right all along.

I can't recommend it to anyone.

Perhaps as a rental.

But not in the theatre.

I want my fuckin money back.

I agree, that film was quite "meh". There was nothing wrong with it from a technical standpoint, but it just wasn't a very good story. I need to finish reading the graphic novel, I hope it's better than the film.

It was a really well-thought-out future world, with a history and all sorts of great details.

The plot itself was fine, fairly standard. The performances? Well, Bruce Willis does better at looking beat up than ANYONE. I liked the moments where we saw the human versions of the actors the best in terms of acting.

And with thrills... Jonathan Mostow creates tension as well as any big-name action director. When the girl throws a fucking parking meter at Bruce Willis? Shiiiiiit.

A solid 2.5-3 out of 4 stars. Worth seeing for sci-fi nerds.

note: I haven't actually seen this movie, but based on my estimated accuracy of the quality based on the trailers vs. your opinion having actually seen it, I'm going with my kneejerk reaction.

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>It was a really well-thought-out future world, with a history
>and all sorts of great details.


are you fucking high? what details? there were. no. details.


>
>The plot itself was fine, fairly standard. The performances?
>Well, Bruce Willis does better at looking beat up than ANYONE.
>I liked the moments where we saw the human versions of the
>actors the best in terms of acting.


standard? that's a plea cop for NONEXISTENT. None of it makes any sense at all. none. no one does anything for any reasonable reason.

>
>And with thrills... Jonathan Mostow creates tension as well as
>any big-name action director. When the girl throws a fucking
>parking meter at Bruce Willis? Shiiiiiit.

FUCK THAT.

there are no thrills, it's boring. a moment later when he shoots through the roof he does it as casually as you'd order food. so they have super strength and speed, but YOU ONLY SEE IT DURING THE ACTION SCENES

that's retarded.


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>A solid 2.5-3 out of 4 stars. Worth seeing for sci-fi nerds.

fuck you, and fuck everyone who thinks like you. this is a movie for idiots who are scared of technology becuase they don't know how it works, anyone with half a brain is wondering how this movie got greenlit with such serious problems.

it gets 0 stars and may god have mercy on your soul.


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One of the biggest bombs of the year, really.

it's about this retarded idea that sci fi action flicks don't have to make sense, or be good in any way.

it must be quashed, or we'll never have another good movie again. you are part of the problem

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the 1st few times i saw the commercials for it i was reminded of The Matrix. thus, this post. folks in here explained it to me such that i now understand the movie isn't so much like The Matrix.

and i still have 0 interest in seeing it.

I have no idea what any of you are talking about. But it all sounds like a rip off of this fine movie.

>especially if i don't read comic books?
>
>i just saw a commercial for the movie. it looks like a Matrix
>retread. what gives?

I actually was quite entertained because I was laughing at all the fail in this movie.

Dumb ass story, shitty acting, horrible make -up\, etc...

Anyone else, could you take Ving Rhames character serious? that shit had me rolling.

Had to watch this movie btw, flipped a coin between this and cloudy with a chance of meatballs even tho I URGED the homies to watch it but they were all "Nah man I cant be watching a a kids movie"...

my main motivation for seein it was cos Bruce had hair lol. the rest of it was pretty predictable, parts of it were cliched, other parts were just badly badly acted.

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this is the dumbest movie i've ever seen in my life.

the good news is, avatar won't be the worst movie where humans remote control bodies this year.

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Either way PASS!