>>>And isn't an influence a change in and of itself?
>>No. Being that I am a metaphysician
>
>I'm sorry, I have to ask- what do metaphysicians do?

lol, We spend way too much time pondering abstract subject matter specifically the relationship between mind and matter.
Yes, it is self-indulgent behavior.lol

>
>>I think changes occur
>>first on an inner(unseen level) and then it is
>reflected
>> in the outer(physical) world.
>
>I was wondering when the 'art imitates life' card was gonna be
>played, and this might be the closest we get. While I agree
>with the sentiment here, I think the 'reflecting' goes both
>ways. The inner affects the outer and vice versa.
>
>But I'd be interested to know where you think those unseen
>inner changes come from.
>
>>Change that occurs the other way around is
>>manipulation. Media manipulation of art is called popular
>
>>culture.
>
>Well, 'manipulation' is kind of a loaded word. And beyond that
>I'm not sure what you're saying here. Do you feel that all pop
>art is a form of propaganda?
Yes, IMO all pop culture whether it is music, movies, literature, fashion etc. is propaganda designed for a specific audience. It does not make a difference whether it is a coporate conglomerate product or an underground project. I did not say it was all bad. All of it is designed to fit a neatly packaged worldview.

Do you see propoganda as art?
Yes.