My first year out of film school, I remember going to meet with a guy about doing a viral for his company. I spent an hour and a half explaining the concept I'd written and walking him through the production. I mention a few rental costs when he hits me with "you see, there isn't actually a budget, it's just kind of for fun.."

Cool, how about you clean my fucking house. Just for fun.

That said, History of Violence was a mess.