https://hiphopdx.com/news/id.45933/title.yasiin-bey-announces-black-star-album-produced-by-madlib

shouts to Yasin Bey as well as Talib lol and Madlib for geting somethinng brewing..

i made a post not to long ago about Mos and Comm running with the BlackStar movement and jokingly tried to exclude Talib from the project..of course there aint a BlackStar without Talib lol
but if this is real life..yall niggaros better not drop the ball with the Common features..we gonna need atleast 3 to 4 songs with The God on it!!

your sig is missing Terence Crawford, lol.

Only cat to be undisputed in the last decade or so.

Put some respeck on his name fam!

>your sig is missing Terence Crawford, lol.
>
>Only cat to be undisputed in the last decade or so.
>
>Put some respeck on his name fam!
>
>
>

Crawford is dope hell of a back story
but nah he nah want none with either Thurman or Spence

>Crawford is dope hell of a back story
>but nah he nah want none with either Thurman or Spence

LOL. Thurman doesn't want it with Spence.
Dude is talking hella scary right now.
We'll see when Crawford gets cooking at 147 tho.
After the pressure, Thurman CLAIMS he'll fight
Spence in his 3rd fight from now. We'll see
about that too.

>>Crawford is dope hell of a back story
>>but nah he nah want none with either Thurman or Spence
>
>LOL. Thurman doesn't want it with Spence.
>Dude is talking hella scary right now.
>We'll see when Crawford gets cooking at 147 tho.
>After the pressure, Thurman CLAIMS he'll fight
>Spence in his 3rd fight from now. We'll see
>about that


After beating both Porter and Garcia he really doesnt have much to proove in his division..honestly id rather see a rematch between him and Porter..

>After beating both Porter and Garcia he really doesnt have
>much to proove in his division..honestly id rather see a
>rematch between him and Porter..

There's a new champ in his division.
He either proves he's the best there or he
doesn't. He may not have "much" to prove,
but he's gotta prove that. If he's above the
division, he should move up to 154. If not,
he's gotta see Errol Spence to prove he's the best...
especially after all that "DON'T DUCK ME SON"
stuff he talked when he was hungry.
I mean, you list another guy IN HIS DIVISION
as another one of the best doing it.
They HAVE to see each other or it makes a
joke of the sport, right?

>>After beating both Porter and Garcia he really doesnt have
>>much to proove in his division..honestly id rather see a
>>rematch between him and Porter..
>
>There's a new champ in his division.
>He either proves he's the best there or he
>doesn't. He may not have "much" to prove,
>but he's gotta prove that. If he's above the
>division, he should move up to 154. If not,
>he's gotta see Errol Spence to prove he's the best...
>especially after all that "DON'T DUCK ME SON"
>stuff he talked when he was hungry.
>I mean, you list another guy IN HIS DIVISION
>as another one of the best doing it.
>They HAVE to see each other or it makes a
>joke of the sport, right?
>
>

but does Thurman really have to fight Spence right now?Mayweather never fought Thurman when he was in the position that Spence is in now..i do agree its a must they eventually meet in the ring i just dont see why its a rush from Thurmans perspective.

Spence vs one of the Charlo brothers would be dope..

>but does Thurman really have to fight Spence right
>now?Mayweather never fought Thurman when he was in the
>position that Spence is in now..i do agree its a must they
>eventually meet in the ring i just dont see why its a rush
>from Thurmans perspective.


He's supposedly coming off an injury, so I'd say most fans expect him to take a couple of tune-up bouts before stepping in for a true title fight, but he doesn't have the "pretty boy Floyd" stage of Mayweather's career to be acting like he's on the "money Mayweather" level. Plus, Mayweather isn't the model example to follow anyway, as I don't recall him being undisputed. Alotta his actions are worthy of criticism as well.


>Spence vs one of the Charlo brothers would be dope..
>

That's pretty impossible at this point. The Charlo brothers fight at 154 and 160, respectively, and Spence is at 147. Spence and the smaller Charlo also have the same trainer.

>shouts to Yasin Bey as well as Talib lol and Madlib for geting
>somethinng brewing..
>
>i made a post not to long ago about Mos and Comm running with
>the BlackStar movement and jokingly tried to exclude Talib
>from the project..of course there aint a BlackStar without
>Talib lol
>but if this is real life..yall niggaros better not drop the
>ball with the Common features..we gonna need atleast 3 to 4
>songs with The God on it!!

Detox to come a month after both of those. Can't wait.

Anyway - even if we're to pretend that this WILL ever happen: I'm as big a Common fan as there is, but 1 feature would be fine.

Also, why no HiTek ? I mean Revolutions Per Minute sucked largely because of his questionable (at best) production so I'd rather see Madlib do the (alleged) BlackStar follow up ... but wasn't HiTek considered a member of BlackStar ? I may be remembering that wrong.

And lastly wasn't Mos supposed to drop 2 retirement albums or something ? Like 2 years ago ?

>Also, why no HiTek ? I mean Revolutions Per Minute sucked
>largely because of his questionable (at best) production so
>I'd rather see Madlib do the (alleged) BlackStar follow up ...
>but wasn't HiTek considered a member of BlackStar ? I may be
>remembering that wrong.

Tek I believe produced 5 or 6 tracks and the rest were Beatminerz, 88-Keys, J. Rawls, Shawn J. Period, and Geology.

I think the "Black Star" moniker applies just to Mos and Kweli. I wouldn't mind a Hi-Tek track or two if a new Black Star album ever came out, but he's had such a drastic fall from beatmaking grace. :(


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I don't like the beat anymore because its just a loop. ALC didn't FLIP IT ENOUGH!

Flip it enough? Flip these. Flip off. Go flip some f*cking burgers.(c)Kno

Allied State of the National Electric Beat Treaty Organization (NEBTO)

I just thought he was considered like honorary or whatever. Def wrong tho.

>Tek I believe produced 5 or 6 tracks and the rest were
>Beatminerz, 88-Keys, J. Rawls, Shawn J. Period, and Geology.

Yea now that you mention the above producers I definitely knew this.


>I think the "Black Star" moniker applies just to Mos and
>Kweli. I wouldn't mind a Hi-Tek track or two if a new Black
>Star album ever came out, but he's had such a drastic fall
>from beatmaking grace. :(

Yea totally agreed. Glad to know it wouldn't necessarily be like, a sign of disrespect to him to have Madlib do the job. And sounds like we agree that Madlib would def do a better job hah.

I posted about this before but man oh man - HiTek was on a fast track to be in the GOAT producer conversation. Then he fell apart. Almost inexplicably. His early work, up through maybe HiTeknology2, was nearly impeccable. His Rawkus work is just mind-numbingly good.

I should've clarified originally ... I knew he wasn't part of the "title" of the BlackStar album but I thought he was kind of an unofficial member and was the sole producer on that album, or at least that he did the vast majority.

I was wrong. And once corrected I realized that I actually was well aware that there were several producers who took part in the BlackStar album.

Getting old and forgetful sucks. Haha.

And also, it might be too late for this.
Black Star was 20 years ago now

If it knocks, it's never too late.

>And also, it might be too late for this.

its more common now for an artist to just drop an album when its done than announce it ahead of time.

definitely feel like this may be one of those that just keeps getting delayed and never actually drops. if they at least announce a date that is only a couple months away then i will start getting excited.

as far as the quality, i havent kept up with mad lib and only a bit more with kweli. if they are all focused it could be dope.

>definitely feel like this may be one of those that just keeps
>getting delayed and never actually drops.

This post will get upped a few times over the next couple of years "any news on this ?" then we'll all forget about it again. Just like ... always. Haha.

hoping you're wrong though

>hoping you're wrong though

Big IF, of course..

but

Black Star good
The Ecstatic good
Liberation good

It just needs to come out

Let's see, Talib has done an entire album with Madlib, and Mos has done a few songs with Madlib but no entire album with him though.

Mos' track record for doing what he says he is going to do hasn't always panned out, especially when it comes to him recording music, we always want to best for him but half the time he flakes out on getting with certain rappers or producers or the end result is one or two songs when we were promised more than half an album; which is what I'm thinking this will be, about 60% Madlib production, and less than 40% of Talib rhyming on it, while Mos doing more singing than rapping.

I'll believe it when I see the cd in my hands and listening to it.

They had a project a couple years back, and it never dropped because as Kweli put it "they couldn't decide how they wanted to release it".

The even performed "Fix Up" on Jimmy Fallon to promote it.

So this album is prolly an updated version of whatever that project was.

We're supposed to forget about that one?

Anti-gentrification, cheap alcohol & trying to look pretty in our twilight posting years (c) Big Reg
http://Tupreme.com

yawn

Ok, ATCQ did it, and shut us all up

but I'm still not holding my breath

...may give this some extra validity but then I started thinking of all the supposed projects Madlib has had coming that never dropped and I became sad.


__
I don't like the beat anymore because its just a loop. ALC didn't FLIP IT ENOUGH!

Flip it enough? Flip these. Flip off. Go flip some f*cking burgers.(c)Kno

Allied State of the National Electric Beat Treaty Organization (NEBTO)

You weren't holding your breath, were you?.....

From the Rappcats newsletter:

News – at Madlib's show in Denver this weekend, Yasiin Bey joined the Beat Konducta on stage and announced a forthcoming Blackstar album, to be produced by Madlib. The following day, Madlib, Bey & Talib Kweli got together and talked about how they might make it happen. We'll keep you updated.

>The following day,
>Madlib, Bey & Talib Kweli got together and talked about how
>they might make it happen. We'll keep you updated.

It was also pretty telling that rappcats/Madlib had to quickly place that on the website and send out an e-mail blast for that purpose as well.

I have to wonder what was going through Madlib's head when Mos Def announced that live on stage.

>RE: The key placement of that word might.

......this aint 1999, we aint on the edge of our seat **mjpocorn.gif'** for this shit anymore ...you got Madlib with ENDLESS beats to choose from ...pick TEN and drop your verses over them, send back to the Beat Conducta to add some final touches and BOOM ...album DONE


The shit ain't THAT hard..

Just do a normal concert and DON'T get so excited that you start promising albums that have never been discussed before and won't ever be discussed again.

That's even simpler !

>Just do a normal concert and DON'T get so excited that you
>start promising albums that have never been discussed before
>and won't ever be discussed again.
>
>That's even simpler !

IKR

Reminds me of when he said him, Black Thought, and King Los would destroy any other 3 emcees in a battle.. they could do it on pay per view and everything..

Then backed down when Lupe took up his challenge

lol

>IKR
>
>Reminds me of when he said him, Black Thought, and King Los
>would destroy any other 3 emcees in a battle.. they could do
>it on pay per view and everything..
>
>Then backed down when Lupe took up his challenge
>
>lol

Good god. What a weird career. lol

with the collaboraters and discussed?!?!?


**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

we all know why Madlib's output aint as dense on Rapcats as much as it was on Stones Throw for pretty obvious reasons...

let's get that understood first

I'm glad to hear that he is, but yeah that makes a ton of sense.

that departure from Stones Throw was so quiet that I didn't put it together until years after. Come to find out Stones Throw been dealing with crazy lawsuits.

I will get my hopes up but I’m not holding my breath.

I’ll believe it when I hear it.

Yasiin Bey Debuts His First Recorded Verse From The Upcoming Black Star Album
https://genius.com/a/yasiin-bey-debuts-his-first-recorded-verse-from-the-upcoming-black-star-album?utm_source=home_featured_latest_stories

"After teasing the project earlier this month, Yasiin Bey went a step further on Thursday night by performing a new verse during Madlib’s DJ set at Noise Pop Festival in San Francisco."

Here's the direct reddit link:
https://www.reddit.com/r/hiphopheads/comments/7zslds/new_verse_mos_def_performs_a_new_verse_from_black/

Either it’s gonna get released or not. All this fan pressure (half kidding or not) is why a lot of these sensitive artists are in hiding in the first place. I hope they drop it. If they don’t, c’est la vie

Peace,

Spirit (Alan)
http://wutangbook.com

I need to hear an actual track. They don’t even gotta hit me with a full LP. Give me an EP and I’m happy.

>I need to hear an actual track. They don’t even gotta hit
>me with a full LP. Give me an EP and I’m happy.

I wish these folks would just drop stuff..especially once they’ve gone through the effort to lay down the work needed. Having canned albums lost in a weird abyss doesn’t make sense to me unless they don’t like what they created. Hopefully it’s some basic business stuff that can be worked through.

Kweli has posted twice so far today saying that album is done but Madlib's lawyers and management are holding things up.
I'm surprised Egon would be the problem, but that's who he's calling out.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CCXJvMgA4XK/?igshid=r211wkvtaful

I'm tired of being silent about this. I tried my best y'all. Flew around the globe. Paid for this out of pocket. All for the culture. I'm a fan of Black Star too. I want to see this come out as bad as y'all do, or more. But people who never made a beat, never wrote a rhyme in they life got they fingers in the pie and are being disrespectful to what me and my brothers built. It's in Gods hands now. I'm on to other things, life is too short to be disrespected by culture vultures. Maybe y'all will get to hear this album after I'm gone.

Record Industry Rule #4080

Edit: he deleted it.

In other words hopefully the folks holding this up got the message and will work harder to make sure this sees the light of day.

Ya I'm wondering if that is the case. Today he posted a photo of him & Madlib with the caption "Brother gonna work it out"
I'm thinking him airing out the situation publicly got the wheels in motion.
Again, not holding my breath, but we can all have some hope!

...but it's label execs aka management aka E. dragging their feet on this, I wonder why though, is the album not as good as they want it to be, are they waiting cause of the covid-19 issues and artists not traveling & doing concerts to promote any albums (even though with these three kats, do they even need to do heavy touring, just word of mouth should make the album sell alone, and do some touring in 2021) but whatever the reason maybe this album will drop before the end of the year.

on the Gilles Peterson show. He and Madlibe discussed a plethora of music topics, including the Black Star album. It was a good interview:
I posted this in a different thread months ago but here it is again:
https://worldwidefm.net/show/gilles-peterson-with-madlib-and-egon/

On a related note, didn't Talib keep Res' album from coming out, which led to legal action and the airing out of dirty laundry on social media? Like, Talib tried to kiss Res at a pool or something along those lines?

The first Reflection Eternal album is one of the most important albums of my life so I will always respect Kweli for that. Having said that, I haven't looked at Kweli the same since the Res incident.

I'd like to know more about what Egon is or is not doing.

'Til then I'm neutral on this specific matter.

I don't know who else it could be.

That said, why would Egon fuck up the money in this situation? Following up BlakStar after the latest Madlib x Gibbs album just seems like a no brainer.

Plus with no shows anytime soon, you think Rappcats would wanna keep the train rolling after starting the year off so strong.

That said, Kweli's post seems to point in the direction of them figuring it out....and since album rollouts don't really exist anymore I hope we can hear the album sooner than later.

...but from where I sit, it looks like Madlib's career has been managed pretty well.

People can call it what they will, but I would imagine that Kweli probably stands to make more money from this project and to ultimately win in the end if he's patient and lets people do what they do on his behalf.

Not a bad observation at all. Egon seems very professional and appears to be a person with solid integrity. I really wish we knew more about what's going on...

given the relative quick pace Gibbs was able to release two albums with Madlib and the fact he had legal problems hold him up with Pinata while both Mos/Yasiin and Talib to my knowledge haven't had any reasons for the material to get held up is a bit odd to me.

I guess the one positive aspect to this is that all the pent up demand for the project should result in great sales.

I wonder which label will release this project when the dust settles. Still wild that Kweli would call someone involved with this a culture vulture. Have to wonder what kind of damage that comment did behind the scenes.

https://youtu.be/mIWNJBCkVvo

Even though I stopped checking for Kwelis music a long time ago I'm really exited to hear this.

https://youtu.be/HcrFl0Urd-4

I mean, i feel him on not fucking with streaming platforms, I also think they fuck artists over. And I buy tons of new vinyl. Still buy mp3s off bandcamp and itunes. But/and homie is big mad, like he's not talking to his friend in that interview. He could very reasonably explain his position without being like "yo, man fuck these fans"

Best analogy was forbidding people to place a steering wheel on his back.


werd.

https://fb.watch/6ifkwK-9JR/

I'm not sure why Mos Def is so mad when radio has been paying artists part of a penny for playing their music on the radio so why is he now getting mad at streaming services for paying less than a penny for play when there was a time people was so fed up with radio and starting sharing and letting others download entire albums & discographies of an artist/groups without paying a dime or even a penny.

No, nobody should be happy to get a fraction of a penny everytime a song or album gets play but at least it's better than nothing.

Maybe this is why he was so happy to stop making albums with Rawkus/Universal Records, cause he wanted a bigger piece of the pie from his hardwork, I just wish Mos would stop thinking he's someone like the biggest recorded artist on the planet and everyone is waiting for him to release new music & will throw money at him like a stripper to hear it; shit I was pissed & waited two years before I purchased the "True Magic" cd cause it didn't come with artwork, no booklet, no info other than what was printed on the top of the disc itself, and they expected people to pay regular price for that shit...smh.

I'm I still hyped they got something on the way, but after all these years, I'm patient to where when it drops, it drops, and I'll still be skeptical if it would be worth even purchasing until I hear it for myself.

“Why should they be mad at a fraction of a penny when they used to get a penny to be on radio”

Because it’s a fraction of what they used to get paid LOL

Not to mention that commercial radio play reaches more people per spin than probably a thousand streams, if not 10,000.

You would think there would be more artist collective owned streaming sites? If just the artists on Okayplayer alone had a streaming site for their catalog and new music, seems like they could get a decent subscription base at a modest cost? Would y’all pay, say, five bucks a month to stream catalog play exclusive new music from The Roots, D’Angelo, Erykah, and affiliated acts? I bet they could get a bunch of other people on board. Kweli would probably be with it. The Dilla estate. Jay tried this with Tidal, but somehow I think it would work better from the grassroots working its way up to bigger artists because underground fans would seem more loyal to the concept of their favorite artists bucking the system than richer artists like Jay, then they could build it up towards getting bigger artists on board (not saying guys like D’Angelo count as underground, but you can follow the logic, he sure isn’t viewed as being as commercial as Jay)

Peace,

Spirit (Alan)
http://wutangbook.com

Radio singles do not = streaming entire albums in any way shape or form.


And he never claimed to be the world's biggest artist or anything...he just wants value for his art.


Which I think is what loses a lot of heads.


to some folks, this music is a product for them to demand (see: so salty over no artwork you refuse to purchase an album of an artist you like)

But the best artists consider it....art.

I think having preferences, a wish list, etc as fans is completely normal.

But I'll never understand people getting mad over an artist valuing their art.

i wonder why this hasnt happened with the streaming site idea...i always also wondered why puffy, jay, will and other rich rappers didnt get together and start their own distribution company...maybe there's more to it than i realize but it seems like a sound venture...they could put something together that would more benefit black artists. where did tidal go wrong?


>You would think there would be more artist collective owned
>streaming sites? If just the artists on Okayplayer alone had a
>streaming site for their catalog and new music, seems like
>they could get a decent subscription base at a modest cost?
>Would y’all pay, say, five bucks a month to stream catalog
>play exclusive new music from The Roots, D’Angelo, Erykah,
>and affiliated acts? I bet they could get a bunch of other
>people on board. Kweli would probably be with it. The Dilla
>estate. Jay tried this with Tidal, but somehow I think it
>would work better from the grassroots working its way up to
>bigger artists because underground fans would seem more loyal
>to the concept of their favorite artists bucking the system
>than richer artists like Jay, then they could build it up
>towards getting bigger artists on board (not saying guys like
>D’Angelo count as underground, but you can follow the logic,
>he sure isn’t viewed as being as commercial as Jay)
>
>Peace,
>
>Spirit (Alan)
>http://wutangbook.com

>No, nobody should be happy to get a fraction of a penny
>everytime a song or album gets play but at least it's better
>than nothing.
>

I wouldn't say this to any artist, athlete, employee, laborer, or literally anyone.

"at least its better than nothing" ?


They don't owe you shit.

Label/distro/streaming debates on this project aside, Kweli's joint w/Diamond D earlier this year was pretty lackluster imo ... the whole project felt phoned in but a lot of his rhyming was just sloppy and uninteresting. I don't remember a single cut.

And I can't think of a single standout verse from him in a while, let alone a song that he helped really make. (His extra-musical persona doesn't help, lol, but I do my best to keep it separate.)

I'll take Mos over Madlib beats any day, including now, but do we really think that that BlackStar magic is just going to magically manifest? Hard to get excited about a potential project that is a) lost in weeds that at least seem to be partially of their own making and b) a crucial component of the potential project is, more often than not, a slog to listen to.

-thebigfunk

~ i could still snort you under the table ~

>Kweli's
>joint w/Diamond D earlier this year was pretty lackluster imo
>... the whole project felt phoned in but a lot of his rhyming
>was just sloppy and uninteresting.

Like anyone who's been around for over 2 decades, a lot of his later-career work has been hit or miss overall .. but his bars were almost never the problem.

But this Diamond D album suffered from both uninteresting beats and songs in general, *and* wack rhymes from Kweli.

I'm staying optimistic and maybe naive while not disagreeing with what you said about Kweli's recent output, that Diamond D joint included.

I'm not worried about Madlib at all. I don't really know where Mos is at this point on the mic outside of his verse on Bandana. But for him and Kweli, I just gotta think they'll hold each other accountable and want to do right under the "Black Star" banner.


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I don't like the beat anymore because its just a loop. ALC didn't FLIP IT ENOUGH!

Flip it enough? Flip these. Flip off. Go flip some f*cking burgers.(c)Kno

Allied State of the National Electric Beat Treaty Organization (NEBTO)

And more or less where I am at, too, just with a bit more snark. I'll listen, I'll hope for the best, I'll eat my words if it's solid from start to finish, but at the same time I'm tempering any expectations as to whether it will ever actually drop and how it will come off.

Mos still rhymes crazy when he wants to. He's had a few other features in the not-too-distant past, like on Navy Blue's "Breathe"
https://youtu.be/jZRCIdhRhCo

If this were all about a Mos and Madlib record, I'd be a lot more excited tbh.

-thebigfunk

~ i could still snort you under the table ~

I don't remember the last Kweli album I heard after that but I remember it didn't move me. He hasn't really moved me since then.

I'm hoping Madlib brings it out of him

Or are they rhyming over previously released stuff like Mos did with The Ecstatic?

But that's just the impression I have, I don't know if they've clarified.

-thebigfunk

~ i could still snort you under the table ~

alot of those beats were used on Madlibs KONDUCTA series...

but i didnt care .

that liberaton album is probably my fav kweli release after train of thought

>But that's just the impression I have, I don't know if
>they've clarified.
>
>-thebigfunk
>
>~ i could still snort you under the table ~

>https://hiphopdx.com/news/id.45933/title.yasiin-bey-announces-black-star-album-produced-by-madlib
>
>shouts to Yasin Bey as well as Talib lol and Madlib for geting
>somethinng brewing..
>
>i made a post not to long ago about Mos and Comm running with
>the BlackStar movement and jokingly tried to exclude Talib
>from the project..of course there aint a BlackStar without
>Talib lol
>but if this is real life..yall niggaros better not drop the
>ball with the Common features..we gonna need atleast 3 to 4
>songs with The God on it!!
>

After living for 20 years with no Outkast, I'm fine if they just cut whatever the shit is and put something out. It doesn't have to be the greatest thing ever. If they took the time to make it, go ahead and let it out. The folks who won't appreciate it wouldn't have in 2001 or whenever either.

Zoomed out, I hate thinking 40-year old rappers let the internet and the culture of constant complaining talk them out of putting out music if they even kinda sorta want to. But here we are. Meanwhile, there's some cool success stories of folks saying 'screw it' and putting something out that is generally well-received. JayZ for instance. Nas for another. And even though the quality varies, Snoop dgaf..he's gets music out whenever he wants it seems, so clearly it possible to get music out if you don't want/need it to be received like you just released Thriller for the new era.

Maybe the podcast redeems him enough for it to get released.

>Maybe the podcast redeems him enough for it to get released.

Imho, she was out of line too, but Kweli was so awful that he got banned from Twitter and still didn’t stop. At that point, I walked away from being a fan of his

>Imho, she was out of line too, but Kweli was so awful that he
>got banned from Twitter and still didn’t stop. At that
>point, I walked away from being a fan of his

The way things are trending, artists are going to get less for their music, not more. So if he's waiting for circumstances to change where the creator is better financially compensated for his/her art, he's likely going to be waiting for a while.

I think it's why you see artists like Lil Wayne and No ID and even Bob Dylan selling their catalogs. They see the writing on the wall, and are cashing out now.

>The way things are trending, artists are going to get less
>for their music, not more. So if he's waiting for
>circumstances to change where the creator is better
>financially compensated for his/her art, he's likely going to
>be waiting for a while.
>
>I think it's why you see artists like Lil Wayne and No ID and
>even Bob Dylan selling their catalogs. They see the writing on
>the wall, and are cashing out now.

I always think about artists selling their publishing then wanting it back years later when they see that they got fleeced. But maybe that old issue isn't as much of a thing now since the 'sell your catalog' money usually yields such a big amount that it would be hard to show back up ticked off? IE: its one thing to get 100k for your publishing. But 100 million or whatever for your catalog on a certain label? Shiiiiiid! And especially if your heyday is about over with popularity-wise? Sounds like a much better deal.

Besides that, I can't help but think that far too many people go into the music biz with no realistic concept of how the money part can and likely will work in general and for them and the type of artist they are specifically. And, based on that, they all get got. Then, its just a matter of what you're in position/willing to do to get yours after that. Do you go for the stadium jams? Do you try to find a niche? Do you get ticked off, quit, and show back up with a podcast. Do you drown yourself on one of those VH1 shows that I wouldn't be caught dead watching? I don't know!

Besides that, Mos and that crew got in at a HORRIBLE time with Napster, the innanet blowing up, message boards, the barrage of loud complainers and dividers, and all of that stuff.

They premiered Automatic on EP 2 of Dave Chappelle’s podcast and that shit was hardbody.

I’ll try to up a copy

That shit is fy yor

https://pitchfork.com/news/black-star-announce-no-fear-of-time-first-new-album-in-24-years/?utm_source=twitter&utm_brand=p4k&utm_social-type=owned&utm_medium=social&mbid=social_twitter

"Madlib produced the new album, which will get released on the podcasting platform Luminary on May 3."

I knew they'd do something like this.
I'm assuming a physical release will follow?
who knows with these dudes.

Mos' latest joint? the one that is supposed to be only in a museum?? Luminary....lol

A complete total waste of time to attend the event. It felt like a mixtape or experimental project more than a full fledged album.

I have 100% confidence this Black Star album will be better since more hands will be involved in terms of quality control.

Assuming the business side of things is square between Talib, Mos/Yaasin, Madlib, and Madlib's business partners, hopefully Rappcats will print physical copies of this.

Based on what Talib supposedly said about one of Madlib's business partners at Rappcats some months ago, I have no clue if that will go down.

they be trying to hide it

https://i.imgur.com/ds2S9IZ.png




not my pic btw

>https://pitchfork.com/news/black-star-announce-no-fear-of-time-first-new-album-in-24-years/?utm_source=twitter&utm_brand=p4k&utm_social-type=owned&utm_medium=social&mbid=social_twitter
>
>"Madlib produced the new album, which will get released on the
>podcasting platform Luminary on May 3."
>
>I knew they'd do something like this.
>I'm assuming a physical release will follow?
>who knows with these dudes.


Happy it's dropping (still not fully convinced but this sounds official), but yeah, hoping for a physical release or it eventually branching out to other streaming providers as having to go to Luminary to play one album sucks.


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I don't like the beat anymore because its just a loop. ALC didn't FLIP IT ENOUGH!

Flip it enough? Flip these. Flip off. Go flip some f*cking burgers.(c)Kno

Allied State of the National Electric Beat Treaty Organization (NEBTO)

... And where the heck is the OMFGOD album that I have been waiting on for 8 or 9 years??? I would love to get that Mannie Fresh & Yasiin Bey collaboration.

Peace
Doitall76

https://www.reddit.com/r/hiphopheads/comments/tzq5xk/fresh_mos_def_talib_kweli_mineral_mountain_feat/

This is going to make me listen to Kweli again. Lol. They better release it in some other platform too.

...this isht us happening

and shouted out Black Star and Madlib

so I guess there is some smoke in the air regarding this album



>https://hiphopdx.com/news/id.45933/title.yasiin-bey-announces-black-star-album-produced-by-madlib
>
>shouts to Yasin Bey as well as Talib lol and Madlib for geting
>somethinng brewing..
>
>i made a post not to long ago about Mos and Comm running with
>the BlackStar movement and jokingly tried to exclude Talib
>from the project..of course there aint a BlackStar without
>Talib lol
>but if this is real life..yall niggaros better not drop the
>ball with the Common features..we gonna need atleast 3 to 4
>songs with The God on it!!
>

it wasn't that Mineral Mountain track up there^ (which is fine)

it was something else.. and it was maybe the best black star(?) track i've ever heard

(i was feeling like a dummy ffwding the pod to minute 28:00 to repeat listen)

(there's probably a track on Madvillain that sounds like this and i just don't remember it, or one of the freddie gibbs albums)--but this sounds like he thought "im gonna make a diamond d(avid lynch) track"..this is right in my "kinda grimy-haunting 2-bar loop" wheelhouse.

I'd like a link too please, and thanks in advance

thanks

I can't find it on luminary. Do you have to listen to a Midnight Miracle episode as a portal???

Not doing traditional DSPs, not doing traditional midnight drop?
Very strange roll out.

...to push the subscribe button on Luminary. I want to support the music in the right way, but damn, I wish they could have dropped it somewhere for purchase outright.

Gonna wait for a bit and see how this rollout goes.
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"To Each His Reach"

but.....

Fuck aliens.

>...to push the subscribe button on Luminary. I want to
>support the music in the right way, but damn, I wish they
>could have dropped it somewhere for purchase outright.
>
>Gonna wait for a bit and see how this rollout goes.
>______________________________________________________________________________
>
>"To Each His Reach"
>
>but.....
>
>Fuck aliens.

small price to pay for 3 dudes that have had an indelible influence on my life. less than any ticket i've paid for any of their performances.

It won't be the same feeling.

Lowest expectations WHEREVER I'll be able to listen to it (because I don't think it's going on traditional streaming channels)...huge shrug

The first album was a revelation, a perfect storm of two brilliant, young, hungry artists looking to create their own lane(s) the independent way.

yasiin has been on another planet for a while now (a journey I fully support, by the way, it's just one that hasn't resulted in any music I've been interested in for a long long time now), and Kweli long ago ran out of interesting shit to say (even if he still says that uninteresting shit well, lol).

So I'm not expecting too much from this, especially considering the abject weirdness of the first two releases. (This is all from my perspective, of course .. don't want to rain on anyone's parade here).

I was also digging Mos Def's album that you could only hear by going to the brooklyn museum though. I guess I'm a big fan.

I just don't like the mix of yasiin's verse I think.

The other track I can do without.

it’s up on luminary

track 1 playing….

they got bt on another track tho.

I'm curious; is there any option to purchase a physical copy of the album for folks that subscribe?

no. not that i am seeing.

and yeah, i subscribed for midnight miracle.

.......it's also up on soulseek.

I'm probably gonna listen "get" the album then cancel my subscription. I would definitely prefer to just pay the normal way though. If the 2nd season of the midnight miracle was a little closer I might stick around for that too but I don't want to wait around for it paying $4 a month.

I'm now ready for a BT & Madlib project after that performance on Freequency. I ain't rewind a verse like that, that many times in a minute.

but i'm not signing up for another random service to listen to an album that i'm honestly not that enthusiastic about

i'm sure there are some great cuts

can't wait to hear yasiin again, been too long aside from a few features

i'd legit be more interested if it were just him and madlib (no kweli)

if/when it drops on physical/bandcamp, i'd grab it in a heartbeat

but i'm too old and cranky to chase shit down and there's more than enough great new music to keep me more than occupied. nostalgia only goes so far.

-thebigfunk

~ i could still snort you under the table ~

To make their raps more personal. I had some the issues with Common's latest albums. It hits all the black power talking points, but doesn't reveal much about themselves as people are their journeys.


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

>To make their raps more personal. I had some the issues
>with Common's latest albums. It hits all the black power
>talking points, but doesn't reveal much about themselves as
>people are their journeys.

That's what drew me to him in the first place. For his time period, he was one of the most personal, introspective MCs we'd ever seen.

Like "Another Wasted Nite With..." felt like my senior year of high school and college.

He's become the dude he use to threaten to backsmack them with they skateboard.

Still my top 5 all-time though.


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

I am not interested in hearing Mos Def spit those pop culture reference rhymes like Jay Z or the cringeworthy Kanye bars..

I have no issue with them getting personal, but that is not the only alternative.. rappers can still make great music being abstract, storytelling/concepts, experimenting with different styles… Hence why currently Mos Def is a more interesting rapper than Kweli and Common

Agreed on Common… ever since Be he just started sounding more repetitive

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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

…..getting the IDEA out of an analogy without getting bogged down in or bringing in more details

But could just be my rips of the songs. Didn't really want to listen on Luminary so I had to rip the web stream so I could put it on my plex.

It's pretty good. The first song is kinda underwhelming but is has gems throughout and a bunch of stand out moments. I'll give it some more spins to see how I really feel.

Funny thing about releasing it on Luminary is that it becomes just as easy to get it online for free, but far fewer people are going to be willing to legitimately listen to it than if it were on Spotify. I hope the amount of money they make per spin works out favorably for them.

Apart from a few tracks, it sounds phoned in as fuck.

Just do a series of albums forever.

I think that'd get me to sub to Luminary for a year if we got this...

That's all I can say. Is is as great a comeback as Tribe? No. It's a good album though, just not quite classic status as the first. I think Talib and Yasiin's image and goodwill in the eyes of their fans weighs heavily on this release.

but I didn't expect it to be anything like the first. Its been literal decades. Different producer. Etc.

This is basically what I expected from a Blackstar + Madlib project.

Madlib did his thing. Yasiin is Yasiin and I'm very grateful to hear him release more music. Kweli has some heat here too.


There are no immediate classic *songs* like say Thieves...but the work as a whole is a very dope listen. (Maybe that automatic track is close)


From what I understand, the original version had Chappelle skits through out...I wonder what that was like.


My only complaints are the length and the format. I completely respect their stance on streaming, but I don't understand why they just didn't do Bandcamp. I think they would have made more $, but what do I know.

also is the Luminary version clean?

And the Chappelle intro really fit IMO...which is why I'm curious about the original album?

Yeah there are a few censored words...another complaint.

I'm thinking they secured a fixed amount to release it exclusively on Luminary (hopefully temporarily) and that's why they chose this path. Maybe they speak on this on the podcast and I'm completely off.

I think I pretty much agree with your thoughts on the album. No single classic track but overall I enjoyed it. I do plan to go back to it a few times before the month is up. It would be so much easier if it was just included in my playlist but oh well.

I'm diggin it, trying not to compare it to their jump off. Would I like to hear Yasin switch up his flow, come with some more energy, yes. Gotta say though, Kweli seems to have stepped it up after falling off hard over the last 10-12 years...he seems to bring it when Mos/Yasin is in the mix...

...because I'm sure it leads to more piracy. I guess artist face the choice now of being paid pennies for their work or it being taken for free. (not sure which of those represents spotify and which one represents piracy).

Also, If this Luminary thing works out. Like, if the check they got to make it exclusive was good. Why don't more artists release this way?

have as much control over the release and get to tie it in to their podcast. Im #teamphyscicalcopy but I get why they do it like that. As popular as they are with a physical release it might get ripped and be on the internets before the actual release date.

..all around.

From conception to delivery, everyone contributing to this album deserves a round of applause.

*My listening experience*

One of the most overlooked/underrated aspects of album reviews (esp in this era) is that we rarely get true perspective of said person's experience for proper context. To date, I've listened to this album in my home studio (Mackie near-fills, Krk Rokit, JBL & Event mains/subs), while cycling (Apple Airpod Pros, Sennheiser Momentum 2 BT Earpods), and during my commute (Bose and Meridian Audio). I even took the time to listen over the loudspeaker on my phone. Anyone complaining about the mix of this album might want to reconsider their current equipment. Its you, not them lol.

Madlib clearly saves some of his best work for his favs, as he steps into this collaboration like a masterful sculptor. A lavish array of sparsely laid sounds layer the bedrock of this colorful effort. Crisp, calm, urgent, and balanced in all the right places and spaces. From this foundation, yasiin bey & Talib Kweli spring eternal. The album plays like the 3 acts of a broadway play, each act made of 3 chapters that allow the cast to develop and thrive. The bond that brought the world one of the most dynamic (albeit enigmatic) duos to ever grace the mic is not only intact, its grown immensely.

This album was worth the wait for Freequency alone (shout-out to Black Thought).

If your critique of this album is rooted in animosity based on the method of its release, that's legit. You're entitled to that opinion, just as the artists were entitled to their deliberate execution. Hopefully the dialogue born from that will lead to greater understanding of the details regarding the business of modern music. As it stands, there's an episode of Midnight Miracle entitled "Bugs Bunny Mathematicx"(also available exclusively on Luminary) that addresses every question possible regarding the recording/release of this album and the decisions made along the way. Its great pairing, if you're considering a true listening session.

I've only heard the album seven times in its entirety and I'm still uncovering layers initially overlooked on previous spins. Let that sink in. That's not bragging, that's my admission that this type of artistry requires a bit more from the audience.

We could fill an entire semester on the engineering/mix of the song Freequency. The patience shown is otherworldly.

My lone gripe with the album: the lack of liner notes. LOL. Forgive me for being ol' school, but I still appreciate reading about the contributions made to the new work of art I'm listening to.


*skatin' the rings of saturn*


..and miles to go before i sleep...

We don't do those often here and we should try to.

I have only listened to the album two times. I did find that since I had to listen to it on a separate app my listening was more deliberate. This was a rare occasion where I switched my plans once the album was out so that I could listen to it. I typically just wait on albums until I get the time to throw them on.

For this my first listen was at lunch in my car. I did add a 4 channel amp and a sub + amp to it. It might not be audiophile level but it's also not absolute crap. I didn't have any problems with the mixing. Reading on how it was recorded I was definitely expecting it to sound off. I think some vocals did sound a bit off on the first couple of tracks. I'm guessing there are bad RIPs out there. I hope people aren't listening to recordings from people's phone speakers when they listen to this lol

I enjoyed the first listen and I saw it as an album that will need repeat listens. I could tell I didn't catch most of it. It did sound like a cohesive and deliberate work, which I honestly wasn't sure we would get.

I then listened to it at work with my Momentum 3 cans, which is my default for listening to music. Again, no problems with the mixing. I think the album held up well on a second listen. I may have come down on it slightly.

Overall I do think it is missing the more upbeat vocals that grabbed you on the first album but I don't know that anyone was hoping or expecting the same sound on this one.

This is a more laid back album, kind of like Ka, Mach Hommy, Open Mike Eagle and such but for me, much more interesting delivery on the vocals. I definitely haven't spent anytime going through the lyrics so I can't speak on how those compare. On two listens the lyrics did not grab me. I think this is where there is potential that the album will fade for me. If on repeat listens the lyrics start grabbing me then I might end up with an even better opinion on the album.

As of now I wouldn't say it's the best album of the year but I think it's good enough to be up there with many others. I'd put it on a tier below my favorites.

Lyrics and production. A lot of stuff I didn't catch the first few times.

I thought it was very good up above, it has only grown on me more since.

There are more standouts than I gave it credit for, too.

I love it. I'm also an Ecstatic >>>> BOBS guy, though


Anyway, appreciate the more detailed review.

...and I was triggered by the role out
Still pissed that there's no physical releases
and I had to jump through paywalls for a podcast I don't want just to download the album

First listen... wasn't great
The vocals weren't popping and it was a struggle to make it through the whole album
I was on the road, and shelved it for a couple of days

Got home and gave it the big stereo treatment
Onkyo surround sound system
...and you are absolutely right...
This album is incredible
Vocals that sounded like they were recorded in a tin can, lazy, and muddy
...became an intentional artistic choice...
and the layers
Madlib did his mf'n thing on this

Holy $hit this album is a barfest
Got stuck on oG...then I got stuck on so be it...

What started as a challenge to listen to on the first attempt
...became an overload of the senses...

You are absolutely right
It sounds like $hit if you play it on a $hit system

Big stereo session has this as the best album since DAMN!
Good luck to Kenny next week
The bar has been set.

Which is a different than what I see in the lesson..I still have not listened to it

Them vocals is muddy. I literally heard Yasiin say on one track to keep the vocals wet. Why? Make them joints crisp bro. Vocals should be crisp like a bag of potato chips.

Madlib is the MVP. He cannot lose right now.

These guys bring the best out in each other rapping. I was underwhelmed by Gotham, but Kweli is back on his grind with this (which is interesting since the time he was recording content for those two albums probably overlapped. in fairness, I was most underwhelmed by the beats in Gotham). Following him on social media allowed me to access many of his references. A friend said his "white liberals" line on "Yonders" was corny, but I was ok with it and would have preferred he put a few more bars behind it. yasiin gets busy throughout this joint.

to me, it feels like a very organic free flowing work. not the cohesive, tightly woven masterpiece of the first BlackStar album. At the same time, those 97-98 cats couldn't have done THIS album. Age and life experience played a huge part in this.

AND we got Tariq dropping a verse??

This shit classic.

>This shit classic.

couldn't help yourself could you LOL

Gotchu(inbox)

Gracias..

Por favor?

Me too...gotta happen soon, right?

Once subscribed, is there no way to download the album with separate tracks? The only playback method I'm seeing is to listen to the entire album as one long track (basically like a podcast episode lol).



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I don't like the beat anymore because its just a loop. ALC didn't FLIP IT ENOUGH!

Flip it enough? Flip these. Flip off. Go flip some f*cking burgers.(c)Kno

Allied State of the National Electric Beat Treaty Organization (NEBTO)

If you click on the album picture or description it takes you into the track list. You can then play whichever song you want or put it on shuffle or just play it in order. I don't know if it has an offline mode or a way to download the album or tracks.

>If you click on the album picture or description it takes you
>into the track list. You can then play whichever song you want
>or put it on shuffle or just play it in order. I don't know if
>it has an offline mode or a way to download the album or
>tracks.

it doesn't seem to have playback memory so any extended pause it starts fresh and after the individual tracks play it does the entire album uninterrupted.

there may be a better easier way and it would be nice if they hacksawed mineral mountain into it but worth it for the work these brothers put in....

https://blackstarluminary.bandcamp.com/album/no-fear-of-time?from=discover-top

... I was hoping for physicals as well. Patience I guess.

Immediately cancelled Luminary.
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I don't like the beat anymore because its just a loop. ALC didn't FLIP IT ENOUGH!

Flip it enough? Flip these. Flip off. Go flip some f*cking burgers.(c)Kno

Allied State of the National Electric Beat Treaty Organization (NEBTO)

Kweli going hard on IG about how "only Luminary", "we control it", etc. It seems odd now it's just popping up for $9.
Wondering if this is fake and someone is just gonna cake up those $9 off pirated mp3s?
All the language on the site is just copy & paste from the press release.
I guess there's things to go through to set up a Bandcamp, but this goes against everything Talib is promoting online in terms of current distribution model.

Thing is though is I've had a feeling that this album might end up being the most bootlegged album in the stream era because of the restriction to Luminary. So it makes sense to me why they'd release it on Bandcamp.

if we'll ever get to know if this was legit... Hate the thought i payed a pirate!

Pirating seems to be a problem on bandcamp i heard.

..on the website.

Once again, highlighting how very different each listening experience can be.


*skatin' the rings of saturn*


..and miles to go before i sleep...

..Like I said, each platform should have them available in some form.

I thought it was interesting that Luminary made them available, but not through the app.

*Tidal allows for live album art, lyrics to scroll during playback, etc.


*skatin' the rings of saturn*


..and miles to go before i sleep...

I did notice some clipping here and there, which is kind of annoying once you know they're there. For example, check the 3:33 mark of o.G. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eM21jiXahs. Might be more noticeable with headphones.

As for the music itself, I'm enjoying it. I probably like the first half more - love the energy of So be it and the soulful sound of Sweetheart Sweethard Sweetodd. Yonders seems like it could be a DOOM track.

https://blackstarnofearoftime.bandcamp.com/album/no-fear-of-time

Edit: this should be official, posted on their IG

Thanks for posting this

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i believe

I guess I never bothered listening to Mineral Mountain. I typically ignore singles and just wait for the album to drop. Probably assumed it would be on the album and never noticed it wasn't lol

I might have just heard that track for the first time right now.

last i checked/heard.