https://soundcloud.com/rappcats/madlib-10-summers-old

did dilla bite?

and essentially, if dilla copied off of pete rock and improved and ran with pete's style, isn't that biting?

cuz if that's the case, why do we call just blaze out on bitin' bink! and not dilla on pete?

just cuz he did it better?

Except Lightworks.

I do think it's weird that Dilla is seen as the father of the whole beat scene, when to my ears I feel like Madlib is the true catalyst for all that.

But both of them seemed to adopt things from each other. Madlib adopted more Dilla like percussion with off kilter claps, instead of the boom bap drums you hear in the Lootpack stuff. And I think Dilla was inspired by Madlib to go further left field and embrace the weird.

Like, someone at Stones Throw made a mistake on this advance. Or this download was mislabeled.

Since 03 I associated that loopy/Dave Cooley compressed sound with only Madlib: Jaylib, Madvillian, Quasimoto 2, etc.

And especially on Jaylib--their beat styles are so contrasted on that one.

The "Motown/beat CD 3" didn't have that sound, so I knew that wasn't 'lib.

But Donuts to me sounded like Madlib but with more precise chops. I just figured he spent more chopping samples on his newer stuff.

bit Premo and Dilla. They were new Marley's of their time. Set a
heavily impactful blueprint.

Because even as early as 2003 Dilla was gravitating towards Madlib's approach to making beats: raw, unfiltered soul and prog rock. Donuts was simply Dilla at his most Madlib, and Dilla never kept it secret that Madlib was the only producer he feared.

The thing is that when Dilla was doing Madlib, he still had his unique touch that separated him artistically. Although many say that Madlib was equally influenced by Dilla, I think that's a huge stretch. Madlib certainly employed certain Dilla-like drum arrangements at times, but it was really Madlib who led the charge between the two as far as where they converged artistically. They, like Pete and Premier, were the two influencers of their day and are both to be seen as equals in the pantheon of beatmaking.

>Because even as early as 2003 Dilla was gravitating towards
>Madlib's approach to making beats: raw, unfiltered soul and
>prog rock. Donuts was simply Dilla at his most Madlib, and
>Dilla never kept it secret that Madlib was the only producer
>he feared.
>
>The thing is that when Dilla was doing Madlib, he still had
>his unique touch that separated him artistically. Although
>many say that Madlib was equally influenced by Dilla, I think
>that's a huge stretch. Madlib certainly employed certain
>Dilla-like drum arrangements at times, but it was really
>Madlib who led the charge between the two as far as where they
>converged artistically. They, like Pete and Premier, were the
>two influencers of their day and are both to be seen as equals
>in the pantheon of beatmaking.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MEeI7hrPPM

... basically all of Madlib Medicine Show #5: The History of the Loop Digga sounds like Pete Rock.

like, i've never thought that even once

everybody from that era bit Pete, including R&B and jazz guys.

Yes, you can make a case that Dre and Primo and even potentially RZA are greater producers due to their output.

But Pete is just technically better than all of them.

he shouldn't have been able to do work as expressive as he did with an SP-1200. Lots of guys have great beats with it, but nobody got nearly as much a visceral musical response with it.

But Madlib and Dilla are every bit the technical wizards that Pete Rock was. I think it boils down to preference at that level. My mount rushmore is Pete, Premier, Dilla and Madlib as far as pure beatmaking goes.

And why he's the GOAT to me.

And even my own preference changes in different periods of my life. All four were masters whom I feel were every bit each other's equal with their own artistic integrity.

to the extent of his impact.

>>> Let’s start at the beginning; what’s the deal with that Lootpack Toyota video?

My father hooked that up. That’s embarrassing (laughs). That’s when I was trying to be like Pete Rock on the beats. My pops hooked that up and it was shown locally, everybody was laughing and shit.


http://www.bonafidemag.com/cover-story-madlib-interview/

>... basically all of Madlib Medicine Show #5: The History of
>the Loop Digga sounds like Pete Rock.

listened to this on friday, you're right...dont know why i never made this connection, even "the unseen" is pete rocky at times

Haven't listened to that in a while tho.

knew immediately when they heard Donuts, that it was Dilla doing his
version of Madlib. Heavily influenced, yes. That was all covered in
that old post. That actually kinda turned me off from Donuts at first
tbh. Dilla was known for doing that at times tho. His version of Pete
Rock joints and hell even Rockwilder who was hot at the time with the
choppy stuff.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZCdK_o60R0 his biggest Pete tribute
beat imo.

like, he said it, multiple times

Which I don't see anything wrong with, but then the Dilla disciples
tried to act like his style had no origins. And that was a problem.

Hell, even Pete did it around the peak Bumpy Knuckles era, calling out
Premier cause he was the most popular at that time. Oh y'all like all
the chopping/scratching and such? I can do that easy...

jay really was enamored with madlib's sound, and hoping to capture some of it in his own music

to the degree that he was working with his team to make his sound "more like madlib's," like that's the language he was using with his engineers, etc

it doesn't take anything away from dilla, who was similarly one of madlib's most important influences

in fact in that way the whole thing has a very sweet full circle theme to it

labeled Motown chops #3!!

I think it was modeled after donuts!

it seemed like the bat signal was thrown out by madlib one he put out them white labels with him rhyming over Dilla beats and calling it "Jaylib" waay before they linked and put out official music together.
Things got a little tense once Dilla and his camp found out about it..

So even if it WAS the sensationalism that bblock is trying to portray, Dilla coming back YEARS later to freak a style Madlib has been doing was warranted....in a good 'kindred spirit' way.

Just Blaze and Bink had similar styles on the same albums

no snark, I'm trying to understand what you're saying.

influence, sure
but old Kev Brown beats reminded me of Pete Rock if anyone
1-900-Hustler and You, Me, Him and Her (Bink) sound like what Just Blaze's style developed into after the Dynasty album

it's just a part of the process when you start out.

...needs to fall back.

They were always equals, musically. That's why they gravitated to one another, and that's why they had such great respect and admiration for one another. And also, that's why heads like me and more than a few people I know were so fucking excited when the Jaylib project was about to go down...

He is attached to some our favorite projects ever.

Outside of Madvillainy, Madlib is pretty low key and hasn't been attached to high profile projects like LWFC and Mama's Gun. Not to mention his influence on Voodoo.

and a couple other joints on that lp i believe

Come on Block. You've been here as long as me.

?uest and this site is a large part of Dilla's legacy.

Maybe he would be Madlib levels of underground if ?uest, D'Angelo and Q-Tip weren't singing his praises and basically crediting him with being the influence of the entire neo-soul movement.

...that Dilla had contemporaries. Is he the best of all time? Uh, maybe? He does have peers, and he does have the people who were at his level and who influenced him and who he influenced that were at his level. Madlib was prolific during the same period that Dilla was, and though the prestige wasn't quite the same at the time, the quality of the music always was, and continued to be through and through.

Peep Spinna's thoughts on this topic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkkgzuRHPs4

i came to post this vid