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Topic subjectwhy does 2015 rap still sound like throwbacks from 2010?
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2921843, why does 2015 rap still sound like throwbacks from 2010?
Posted by Voletta Wallace, Thu Feb-26-15 08:34 PM
2015:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NpKPsmT4_Q
2010:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ob7opG_7Pss

5 years.
half a decade.

put that into perspective:
an entire high school or college degree +1 year.

think about it.

i mean i know the answer to the question posed in the subject line, but i just want y'all to show your work. :)
2921845, same way a kelving post still reads like a kelving post
Posted by imcvspl, Thu Feb-26-15 08:35 PM
if only kelving were in the archives.

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Big PEMFin H & z's
"I ain't no entertainer, and ain't trying to be one. I am 1 thing, a musician." � Miles

"When the music stops he falls back in the abyss."
2921855, yup.
Posted by SoWhat, Thu Feb-26-15 08:51 PM
2921857, you here to discuss music or not?
Posted by Voletta Wallace, Thu Feb-26-15 08:56 PM
forget the absence of new threads or new posters.
you see the "views" on here dwindling down to nothing?
2921853, the established canon is about the commodification of the music
Posted by double negative, Thu Feb-26-15 08:42 PM
2921858, good answer.
Posted by Voletta Wallace, Thu Feb-26-15 08:57 PM
so if people "love music" - why is nobody else raising this point?
2921861, RE: why does 2015 rap still sound like throwbacks from 2010?
Posted by double 0, Thu Feb-26-15 09:09 PM
this aint 2010

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvvNdr86JqA
2921865, Although the song it loops is from 2010..
Posted by Stadium Status, Thu Feb-26-15 09:57 PM
Truffle Butter is a banger but let's not act like musically the song is doing anything that's too progressive - it's also an anomaly on the radio and a lot more songs are closer to Coco's cadence than Truffle Butter's

Semi-related I heard Loonies To Blow yesterday for the first time in forever and forgot how much of a banger it was..back when rappers over 130 bpm was novel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aI6fIh5tXF0
2921879, everything creative about that song was made by MJC
Posted by cgonz00cc, Thu Feb-26-15 11:31 PM
thats wack to me

2921923, RE: everything creative about that song was made by MJC
Posted by double 0, Fri Feb-27-15 01:25 PM
yea I mean it is just a slowed down loop.. but you could say that about a million other tunes that are just sample loops
2921922, RE: Although the song it loops is from 2010..
Posted by double 0, Fri Feb-27-15 01:23 PM
I mean in 2010 most rap songs on the radio were 134 to 142 bpm...

in 2015 most songs are 86-101bpm..

That's a significant change
2921932, 134-142 as in 67-72?
Posted by -DJ R-Tistic-, Fri Feb-27-15 03:10 PM
And what's wild now is that the radio songs are more 95-100 due to the Mustardization of the game...but most club-club hits are SUPER, super super slow. Like 50-55 BPM, plenty at 60-62. Not as many in the 70s. And Drake ass is gonna bring it down to 45-48 eventually.

>I mean in 2010 most rap songs on the radio were 134 to 142
>bpm...
>
>in 2015 most songs are 86-101bpm..
>
>That's a significant change
2921936, RE: 134-142 as in 67-72?
Posted by double 0, Fri Feb-27-15 03:17 PM
Yea.. I dont stay in the 50-55 range... It's uncomfortable for white ppl to dance to..

Worst Behavior and Aint about the Money are the slowest I can go.. and even then I cant do that at like 12...

even Coco illicits less and less response as time goes on...

125bpm or 62/63 is the slowest songs should be..
2921933, Crazy thing is the drums still hit like Motto, which is late 2011
Posted by -DJ R-Tistic-, Fri Feb-27-15 03:11 PM
2921937, RE: Crazy thing is the drums still hit like Motto, which is late 2011
Posted by double 0, Fri Feb-27-15 03:21 PM
Yea.. the OG truffle butter .. Watcha Say is probably older than 2014 as well..
2921866, I thought it was out of the 70 bpm thing when Mustard blew up..
Posted by Stadium Status, Thu Feb-26-15 10:01 PM
But here we are, huh? Lil B or someone should make a whole tape at 40 bpm just to see how obnoxious it can get. I thought "All Gold Everything" was sort of a joke in how slow it was but it ended up setting the bar for the next two/three? years
2921924, RE: I thought it was out of the 70 bpm thing when Mustard blew up..
Posted by double 0, Fri Feb-27-15 01:29 PM
40 bpm is 80 bpm and there are mad songs in that space...

like I said above.. radio is run by 86-101bpm currently.. in 2010 130-142 was the norm..


COCO is 120bpm and if it weren't for Rae Srummurd those songs might not have a place..

Worst Behavior is definitely a crazy tempo at 110bpm or 55bpm half time shit..

Not many people followed Trinidad James at the 50/100 bpm songs.. it's basically J cole/Miguel and the new T.I./Thugger song
2921934, Eh nah, I still count BPMs to their true speed
Posted by -DJ R-Tistic-, Fri Feb-27-15 03:15 PM
based on the bars they use and all else. A 60 BPM blends with a 120, but it's still a completely different feel.

Worst behavior = 56 BPM....while Poison = 112

Coco = 60 while Blurred lines = 120

No hands = 65 while My Boo = 130

But it is a whoooole lot of songs in that 50 and early 60's range, especially in the South. I don't think you'd hear them or play them much at your spots, and even I don't when I have the Zanzibar type spots....but the trendy Black clubs are eating them alllll up.

OG Bobby Johnson, Run Ricky Run, Lil Bit, Right back, About the money, ALL these new super slow Drake songs like Know yourself, it's a lot of them.
2921938, RE: Eh nah, I still count BPMs to their true speed
Posted by double 0, Fri Feb-27-15 03:25 PM
Yea thats semantics.. lol

I might go from CoCo or Worst behavior to I Dont Mind or Poison or Feels Good or sexual seduction so I use them at the similar tempos..

and when I produce I am not making anything at 50 or 60bpms..

but yea.. I cant play OG Maco in the club.. that shit gets awkward
2921915, everything has been done and there's nowhere else
Posted by OKdamn, Fri Feb-27-15 12:33 PM
to go but backwards
2922061, if that were true that would imply...
Posted by Voletta Wallace, Mon Mar-02-15 09:27 AM
that the music being made today is creative/executive "perfection".

no where to go but... down? oh, really?
2922245, It's not creative perfection..it's stagnation from lack of innovative
Posted by OKdamn, Tue Mar-03-15 03:37 PM
artists and ideas OR intentional suppression of innovative artists and ideas
2921935, why does a '15 david bammer alias post like a '10 one?
Posted by PROMO, Fri Feb-27-15 03:15 PM
2922043, hes a sadist man
Posted by astralblak, Mon Mar-02-15 03:26 AM
All most of us do is laugh or talk shit about his shitty ideas, and he always gets the boot and creates a new alias to post his same miserable shit.

It's weird.
2922324, thanks for replying.
Posted by shockzilla, Wed Mar-04-15 05:43 AM