And I love the Cannibal Ox joint....without EL though, Vast/Ox is nothing...they had released some project that was pretty weak, and Vast tried to come at EL from various angles. Anyway, we all see the greatness EL is turning out, and nothing of quality from Vast, who was basically a one trick pony...as far as lyrics, I disagree completely, will take EL all day over Vast....