Poll question: 1+ year later: was yeezus a misstep?

Poll result (43 votes) absolutely not. (30 votes) Vote yeah, no question now that it was. (13 votes) Vote

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the reason it's unquestionably a "misstep" at this juncture primarily is because he had nobody else adopt it's "sound".

the popularity of drake's "so far gone" imo was sort of a life-preserver for "808s and earthquakes".

that album WAS a massive misstep coming off the success of "graduation", but drake "adopting" it's sound (and ensuing succession to kanye's mid-00's success) helped kanye weather the storm.

with no real hit singles, lackluster sales and worst of all... no cultural impact... yeezus was undeniably a massive misstep backed by nothing else but unrestrained critical bluster.

>the reason it's unquestionably a "misstep" at this juncture
>primarily is because he had nobody else adopt it's "sound".


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHguy4xHGSg


>no cultural impact... yeezus was undeniably a massive misstep
>backed by nothing else but unrestrained critical bluster.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kPQiAJv4fo

drake's worst behavior

childish hambino's last album which has 2-3 yeezus-esque tracks

lewis' black autumn 1993 who's sound is undeniably post-yeezus

tyga's new album which is supposedly exec. produced like kanye and according to some has songs that sound like yeezus throwaways

travis scott's mixtape which sounds like yeezus and gucci mane's trap house 3 thrown into a blender

list goes on...

in Kanye's mind. musically it was ambitious for a top shelf star to move move in that direct, but Ye may be perfectly satified with it. we may never really know.

I disagree that less followers = missstep. however, I view it a misfire cuz it sucks. lol. I can't ride with this album. it didn't capture my attention. its just grating minus 2-3 songs and never stops being that way after multiple listens.

>in Kanye's mind. musically it was ambitious for a top shelf
>star to move move in that direct, but Ye may be perfectly
>satified with it. we may never really know.

In Kanye's mind, he's never ever ever ever made a misstep. In any aspect of existence. Musically. Sexually. Personally. Nothing. He is perfect, in his mind. Everyone knows this.


>I disagree that less followers = missstep. however, I view it
>a misfire cuz it sucks. lol. I can't ride with this album. it
>didn't capture my attention. its just grating minus 2-3 songs
>and never stops being that way after multiple listens.

Yep. Same.

That aint kanye's sound

Thats the sound of dark French electro. Thats why he made the album in Paris.

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>the popularity of drake's "so far gone" imo was sort of a
>life-preserver for "808s and earthquakes".
>
>that album WAS a massive misstep coming off the success of
>"graduation", but drake "adopting" it's sound (and ensuing
>succession to kanye's mid-00's success) helped kanye weather
>the storm.

Don't listen to enough new music to know if anyone else latched on.

Although it wasn't loved by everyone it was on tons of end of year lists and had more than enough radio play. Plus Kid Cudi help validate that sound just as much as Drake did.

Nah...

The Yeezus "statement" was made...

It's not just something musically he had a conversation about. Most his interviews weren't even about the record.

Yet the critics still loved it.

808s influenced a generation and sold really well so in no way was that a misstep (It also contains some really amazing pop songwriting from ye, esthero, cudi, mr hudon and others).

>Nah...
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>The Yeezus "statement" was made...
>
>It's not just something musically he had a conversation about.
> Most his interviews weren't even about the record.
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>Yet the critics still loved it.

well, considering most music critics nowadays are just beta jewish guys in their late 20's-early 30's who got a useless degree and learned 90% of their music expertise from posting on music message boards in the 00's - i wouldn't say that means much.

(unless you think the fact that some corporation sponsoring their opinions inherently raises the value of them...)

anytime anything remotely enjoyable comes out these hyperbolists start re-writing music history around it.

>808s influenced a generation and sold really well so in no way
>was that a misstep (It also contains some really amazing pop
>songwriting from ye, esthero, cudi, mr hudon and others).

lol. don't agree with any of this.

thanks for replying.

Agreed.. but have "critics" ever really been OF the culture they critque 100%??

You can certainly hate 808s.. but Drake, Cudi (although he is the genesis), Kendrick and what we can "alt-r&b" today are direct descendants of it..

Its his Nebraska

I think I like it more than I do the two albums (maybe the three albums) preceding it, even if there are moments I really don't dig on the album.

in general, Kanye taking that turn in the context of what else was going on with his peers was a good thing IMO.

(for reference, my favorite Kanye album is Last Registration)

On some it's "challenging" and "pushing the boundaries" and "it's creative" and all that BS. It sounds awful, bottom line.

Bound 2 was the only good song.

i mean unless you think distortion is a curve ball and i guess in contemporary "urban" music - it is.

It's weird, IMO. Weird ass sounds and screams and shit. Some weird ass lyrics too.

personally, i don't care too much for the record - but asserting that people pretend to like it is just so fucking arrogant.

you can speak for yourself. that's it. that's all.

There's some people who spend an awful lot of time telling me why I like albums.

because the sound of Yeezus is already a sound.

Ye kinda adopted the sound from a bunch of young guys making music today.

He exec produced this album saying I need a bit of this and a bit of this and edited it all together.

There's an interesting article on the net don't remember who
the producer was but he said Ye would tell 3 or 4 producers
I need X. Those 3 or 4 producers would all go make their version
of what X was in their mind. Ye would then pick the X that he
thought best fit his idea.

It's not necessarily a new concept, I feel like I've read Dre
does something similar - but I don't know if he's done it
to the extent Ye was doing it on Yeezus with 3 or 4 ideas
from 3 or 4 diff producers on one song.
Like drums from Rza, or Tip, dark melody from ARCA or Travis Scott,
flow pattern from Pusha, and other rappers. Samples from producer 1, 2, or 3.

Just a cool way for one of the biggest artists in the world to make music imo.

Literally, I heard it on a road trip and I basically swore off hip hop ever since. I've been a "head" since the 80s and it's just a disgusting piece of shit from artist I expect way more from.

And, releasing your most misogynistic album the week your wife gives birth to a daughter is just fucking gross to me.

The soundtrack to two separate Vegas weekends....

Stayed in rotation for a good long time.


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I don't like the beat anymore because its just a loop. ALC didn't FLIP IT ENOUGH!

Flip it enough? Flip these. Flip off. Go flip some f*cking burgers.(c)Kno

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i don't know. i do like the production, and I guess maybe the lyrics 'fit' it, in some way or another, but i don't like it. somethings missing. maybe the combination of the kanye humor and ego is something that just works better with soul samples and more typical kanye production than yeezus. the album SOUNDS, musically, so maniacal and almost full of rage, yet the lyrics are mostly empty/immature/ridiculous. he almost had something great with "new slaves" but sorta ruins it with the stupid "bust in her hampton mouth" lines at the end. i'm still waiting for whatever he does next because i expect it'll be a 180 from yeezus.

The first half more than the second

the whole thing. The distortion sounded like an afterthought and was placed over the whole mix, leaving the drums shitty and non knocking. In contrast, other experimental producers know how to make things dirty but over individual elements. This was shit...100%.

remember the drums on this?:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WfsqzqSNP6k

"Dirty™"
lol.

Yeah, the drums pretty much sucked on that Common joint. And very typical of the whole Yeezus experience.

From how good or bad the album is
Plenty or horribly put together records that I love, but I'd never say weren't bad or attempt to point to critic opinions to defend it

but I haven't had any kind of desire to hear the whole album again since the first week it came out. I played it a few times, to see if it would grow on me in any way, and it didn't.

It was literally one of those albums I played, and after 2-3 songs said "wait....is this just the bullshit bootleg leak they put out to fool us?" I actually did the same when I first heard Magna Carta, during track one, when it was just JT singing...then Jay finally came in.

Both artists have lost touch. It's sad.

I had similar experiences with both. Didn't ever truly consider they were bootlegs but as I listened to both Yeezus and Magna Carta I had the same "WTF" thoughts. I didn't like My Beautiful Dark... all that much but I wasn't cringing as I listened to it.

Kanye's raps were never very good but at this point he's rapping like a 16 year old. Just blatant misogyny and immaturity. But in the past at least the beats outshone the lyrics. Now both suck. And Jay is just a caricature of himself. Trying so hard to be this yuppie clown. Who can possibly relate to him anymore.

Send it Up/Black Skinhead/etc..?

shit was anti- everything else in his catalogue. and that means it stuck out, in good, refreshing way.

it's not filled with skits or have songs with different epic movements like CD, LR, or MBDTF.

though it's tight in terms of song length and album length, it's defintely not aiming to please in a pop sense like GRADUATION. or even 808s.

and i really dig the minimalist electro arrangements, esp on songs like "send it up" and "on sight."

i said this before, but i didn't really GET get YEEZUS until i went to a show (cold cave) and the pre-show dj's spun pretty much the entire album between the three of them. shit just knocked HARD, and the hooks (that weren't neccessarily choruses) stayed with you when it was played loud.

regretting that i didn't catch the yeezus tour when it came through the bay.

It was generally well received for some reason and imo Ye is trying to rise above typical hip hop albums by doing something extremely esoteric and different. It works for Kanye so he only loses points with the hardcore hip hop heads.