would it be a hit? how about 2025? How about 2020?

Explain your answer.


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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Syo6tLeZfHw

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Zion dance from Matrix Reloaded.

this year....which most likely sampled something from 1995, which most likely sampled something from 75.

I think "Get Lucky" or "Blurred Lines" would have been big songs in 1994 because they sounded like songs that could have been made in 1974.



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You think ppl will continue to sample 20 yrs from now?

in the literal sense.. not the using this throwback vibe sense

it be a hit?

in 1994, were there any songs from 74 that could have been released to mass acclaim
in 94?

there are some songs that i think could have been a hit
in any era of popular music (B-52's, "love shack"; Nirvana "smells like teen spirit; Green Day, "when i come around"; outkast, "Hey Ya"; cee-lo, "fuck you"; madonna, "in the groove and material girl and holiday)

So maybe the answer is, yes... if it is a retro song from an era
of music that never actually dies.

like disco, punk, or funk.

"Latch" by Disclosure and Sam Smith too.

I just found the article on allmusic.Com about the top 40 R&B hits of that year and they'd almost all fit in now.

The hits of 74 sounded like they were from a different planet in 1994.

The rate of change in popular Black music has slowed down tremendously since the mid 90s.

or the rate in which the cyclical nature of music has increased..

I mean 2004 lil Jon was the MAN
2014 Lil Jon has a top 10 hit.. based on new iterations of HIS 04 sound

That's fast..

>I just found the article on allmusic.Com about the top 40 R&B
>hits of that year and they'd almost all fit in now.
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>The hits of 74 sounded like they were from a different planet
>in 1994.
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>The rate of change in popular Black music has slowed down
>tremendously since the mid 90s.


The reason why 94 and 2014 isn't such a big stretch the way 74 to 94 is because of the seismic shift that hip-hop did to the music landscape. Hip-hop influenced almost everything and you can hear it in almost all genres.

Why music can be cyclical you got account for the seismic changes that occasionally happen which totally disrupt the pattern.

I often wonder what the next once in a lifetime post hip-hop seismic change in music will be.



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Synthesizers, samplers, drum machines, and computers were the difference from 74-94

in the seventies as well

revolution itself was hip-hop music, not the tools used to make it happen.


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Which ones would hit?

1. Brandy - "I Wanna Be Down"
2. TLC - "Creep"
3. Mary J. Blige - "Be Happy"
4. Aaliyah - "Back & Forth"
5. Janet Jackson - "Any Time, Any Place"
6. Shai - "The Place Where You Belong"
7. Soul for Real - "Candy Rain"
8. Me'Shell Ndegéocello - "If That's Your Boyfriend"
9. Zhané - "Sending My Love"
10. Aaliyah - "Age Ain't Nothing But a Number"

11. Blackstreet - "Before I Let You Go"
12. R. Kelly - "Bump n' Grind"
13. Mary J. Blige - "My Life"
14. R. Kelly - "Your Body's Callin'"
15. Brownstone - "If You Love Me"
16. Subway f/ 702 - "This Lil' Game We Play"
17. Aaliyah - "At Your Best (You Are Love)"
18. Changing Faces - "Stroke You Up"
19. Zhané - "Groove Thang"
20. Mary J. Blige - "Mary Jane (All Night Long)"

21. Tony! Toni! Toné! - "(Lay Your Head on My) Pillow"
22. Angela Winbush - "Treat U Rite"
23. Eternal - "Stay"
24. SWV - "Anything"
25. Changing Faces - "Foolin' Around"
26. Brand New Heavies - "Dream On Dreamer"
27. Karyn White - "Hungah"
28. Jodeci - "Feenin'"
29. Sweet Sable - "Old Time's Sake"
30. Jade - "Every Day of the Week"

31. Felicia Adams - "Thinking About You"
32. N-Phase - "Spend the Night" *
33. Keith Sweat f/ Kut Klose - "Get Up on It"
34. Jade - "5-4-3-2"
35. Blackgirl - "Krazy" *
36. Janet Jackson - "Because of Love"
37. Tony! Toni! Toné! - "Slow Wine (Slow Grind)"
38. Lalah Hathaway - "Let Me Love You"
39. Xscape - "Love on My Mind"
40. Eric Roberson - "The Moon"

>1. Brandy - "I Wanna Be Down"
>2. TLC - "Creep"
>3. Mary J. Blige - "Be Happy"
>4. Aaliyah - "Back & Forth"
>5. Janet Jackson - "Any Time, Any Place"
>6. Shai - "The Place Where You Belong"
>7. Soul for Real - "Candy Rain"
>8. Me'Shell Ndegéocello - "If That's Your Boyfriend"
>
>9. Zhané - "Sending My Love"
>10. Aaliyah - "Age Ain't Nothing But a Number" >12/24]
>
>11. Blackstreet - "Before I Let You Go"
>12. R. Kelly - "Bump n' Grind"
>13. Mary J. Blige - "My Life"
>14. R. Kelly - "Your Body's Callin'"
>15. Brownstone - "If You Love Me"
>16. Subway f/ 702 - "This Lil' Game We Play"
>17. Aaliyah - "At Your Best (You Are Love)" >9/3]
>18. Changing Faces - "Stroke You Up"
>19. Zhané - "Groove Thang"
>20. Mary J. Blige - "Mary Jane (All Night Long)" >12/31]
>
>21. Tony! Toni! Toné! - "(Lay Your Head on My) Pillow" >1/15]
>22. Angela Winbush - "Treat U Rite"
>23. Eternal - "Stay"
>24. SWV - "Anything"
>25. Changing Faces - "Foolin' Around"
>26. Brand New Heavies - "Dream On Dreamer" >2/19]
>27. Karyn White - "Hungah"
>28. Jodeci - "Feenin'"
>29. Sweet Sable - "Old Time's Sake"
>30. Jade - "Every Day of the Week"
>
>31. Felicia Adams - "Thinking About You"
>32. N-Phase - "Spend the Night" *
>33. Keith Sweat f/ Kut Klose - "Get Up on It"
>34. Jade - "5-4-3-2"
>35. Blackgirl - "Krazy" *
>36. Janet Jackson - "Because of Love"
>37. Tony! Toni! Toné! - "Slow Wine (Slow Grind)" >7/30]
>38. Lalah Hathaway - "Let Me Love You"
>39. Xscape - "Love on My Mind"
>40. Eric Roberson - "The Moon"
>

i think most of these are too slow and/or too funky to hit today. b/c for the most part funk is out. and uptempo hits are faster or at least seem so.

innovations, it'll probably sound not too different than now. But such a change could make today's music sound very different by then.

That musical evolution nowadays (and for the past decades) is viewed as dependent on technology for change rather than stuff like new approaches to songwriting, harmony. melody, rhythms, song-structure, arrangements and so on. Seriously, there are shit that the free-jazzers and classical avantgardists were doing decades ago that popular music has barely touched and while you could argue there are resons for that, I still believe even popular music could evolve a bit more in those terms.

If you think about, Hip-Hop wasn't *just* based on new technology and shit, if anything, I'd argue that the very concept of talking rhytmically over beats (which had been done before but not to the extent that it was an actual genre/movement) was FAR more important in terms of novel/groundbreaking status. That is a musical (and lyrical as well; let's not forget that the "language" of Hip-Hop was novel to many) concept that really goes beyond just new technology and I think that's what made it so fresh in the ears, that there were samplers and drum-machines and stuff-well, *I* don't think was the biggest deal to people

In the apst century, technology pushed music forward but not just in the way people generally think (=synthesizers, electric guitars etc.) but also other things like the change from 78 rpms to vinyl and stuff like multi-tracking, radio and records spreading music from all around the globe in manners that were impossible earlier etc.

Technology obviously still impact music but I feel that nowadays, the impact has less to do with sonic novelty and more to do with new distribution-methods of media, sites lke youtube and spotify, various recording technology (think protools or cubase or fucking fruity loops or whatever). That has in turn led to things like famous *and* obscure old music from the past being easier available than ever before which has led to more post-modernism, the relative death of the album format etc.

All those things are very important of course but they don't really have to much to do with new *sounds*. Sure, you had something like the auto-tune craze which feels very distinct to the '00s but it wasn't really too different from stuff like vocoders or talk-boxes, just a minor variation...

Also, the fact that the computer, at least in theory, has become a bigger folk-instrument than the acoustic guitar ever really was (seriously, at least in the western world, almost every household has a computer; NOTHING is stopping anyone from using it to make music) aslo means that I suspect the computer will be just as likely to be a vehicle for "innovative" styles as the acoustic has been for a long time (=not very likely at all); the time when only cutting-edge acts like Stevie Wonder or Kraftwerk had access to the latest technology are long gone.

Basically, the idea that computer-based music will lead to music where "everything is possible and can be done" like some believe, I don't buy at all, if anything, the sheer convenience on basing music on presets and patterns and stuff will win out, convenience always does...

Also, it's worth pointing out that prior to the new technology in the 20th century, musical phases often lasted for decades, at times even centuries (see some forms of folk-music); technology speeded up the evolution in the apst century quite rapidly but it would be naive, even retro-futuristic, to believe that the rapid change will continue; I think it could be safely argued that evolution in the last decade or so has slowed down quite notably.

Sure, new trends and fads come and go but how novel/radical do they really sound? Often, they are retro or post-modern. Maybe dubstep was "new" but it still gives me a 90's vibe; same with a lot of the Hip-Hop styles in the apst decade that seemed to draw more from overlooked/forgotten shit from the past like Miami-bass or 80's electro than sounding truly new.

And the new trends and fads don't really change the sound of popular music as a *whole* like they used to do more-or-less, no, everything co-exists more-or-less, it's just the popularity that differs really...

Maybe boutique labels would still produce mp3s for hipsters who like retro shit.

Would the song hit? Most of us would hate it. Bc it wouldn't sound just like 2014 but would have an element or 2 of 2014 - and they may be elements we hate now. Like maybe that bunk-ass Rich Boy Quan singing is common then. Maybe the 'best' singers sound like Kanye. Maybe holding a tune is outdated and off-trend. Maybe records are popular bc they smell good. Or bc the act wears the right color or something entirely non-musical. I dunno. But the kids will be into music I hate in 2035 and I'm fine with that. I can't predict what it is but it will suck and I will wish we could go back to Trap.

I was listening to rap-radio a couple days and thinking of this....If a hip hop fan from 1992 heard the new Kanye song, I think they would dismiss it as 'pop'. Reason being...there was a certain expectation amongst the hip hop fan back then that a record had certain qualities. People wanted to hear breaks. And they wanted that sound which was a result of sampling older material. Words like grimy, dusty, etc. And part of the aesthetic was not just Bernard Purdie's playing...it was the way that drums were recorded when Bernard Purdie played.

Nowadays....people don't want grimy or dusty. They want pristine, polished sound. And though technology plays a part in those changes of popular aesthetics....it's not an entirely determinate relationship. It was perfectly possible to make a 'non-grimy' song in 1992. But that's not what people wanted.

There's a lot more to discuss here....but I think a lot of the replies above are focused more on technological changes when the real driving force is aesthetic listener trends. And those things change in a way that does not correlate with technological advances in an identifiable way.

It becomes a chicken/egg scenario. Did 1992 hip hop artists sample Clive Stubblefield for the playing or the sound? Or both? If Clive's breaks sounded pristine....would they still have been used? I'd contend that no. If those same breaks were played with a 1980 drum sound, they wouldn't have become what they did. The reason why 'Funky Drummer' et al were employed so much wasn't as much for the playing....it was a rejection of modern recording techniques. Most specifically, modern engineering.

There's no clarity or unity in my thoughts on this....but I guess my point is that speculating on music in 2025 isn't so much a prediction of what technological advances will be made. It's more a fashion-cycle consideration. It's largely an aesthetic question...not a technology question.