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Topic subjectThe history of Volume 10's "Pistol Grip Pump" (link)
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2892751, The history of Volume 10's "Pistol Grip Pump" (link)
Posted by mrhood75, Fri Jul-18-14 10:10 AM
An article detailing the process of recording the song and its impact.

Kinda long, so here's a link:

https://myspace.com/article/2014/07/17/volume-10-pistolgrip-pump/
2892753, Hip-Hopera was a sleeper fav of mine from 94
Posted by Nick Has a Problem...Seriously, Thu Jul-17-14 02:52 PM
I hate that he's only known for "Pistolgrip Pump". Thanks for posting this. Will read later.
2892755, ^^^I came in here to post JUST what you said.
Posted by trouble man, Thu Jul-17-14 02:59 PM
I loaded "Hip-Hopera" onto my iPod about a month ago and I been playing that shit like it's new. "Sho Is Hype", the title track, "First Born"...a lotta good cuts on there besides "Pistol-Grip Pump". On another note "Pistol-Grip Pump" and Above The Law's "Black Superman" from another underrated 1994 album "Uncle Sam's Curse" are STILL two certified Cleveland party staples.
2892756, this post, these replies, just made my day... loved that album
Posted by imcvspl, Thu Jul-17-14 03:04 PM

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"I ain't no entertainer, and ain't trying to be one. I am 1 thing, a musician." © Miles

"When the music stops he falls back in the abyss."
2892806, RE: ^^^I came in here to post JUST what you said.
Posted by Nick Has a Problem...Seriously, Thu Jul-17-14 09:33 PM
>I loaded "Hip-Hopera" onto my iPod about a month ago and I
>been playing that shit like it's new. "Sho Is Hype", the title
>track, "First Born"...a lotta good cuts on there besides
>"Pistol-Grip Pump". On another note "Pistol-Grip Pump" and
>Above The Law's "Black Superman" from another underrated 1994
>album "Uncle Sam's Curse" are STILL two certified Cleveland
>party staples.

"First Born" is my shit! And I agree about Uncle Sam's Curse. People def slept on that one too. That "Black Superman" beat is one of the toughest beats of all-time and I love KMG's (RIP) performance on the title track.
2892853, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mq6AiG3qahs
Posted by astralblak, Fri Jul-18-14 11:09 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mq6AiG3qahs

will never not be HOARD AS FUCK
2893234, Above the Law in general are poorly remembered.
Posted by Nodima, Mon Jul-21-14 05:26 PM
even the album with the Dre production is overlooked I feel.


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2892854, Sho Is Hype
Posted by astralblak, Fri Jul-18-14 11:11 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mq6AiG3qahs

that style / technique
2893019, wrong link for "sho is hype"
Posted by astralblak, Sat Jul-19-14 07:01 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pu6h5t5ENHU
2892841, you ain't lied man.
Posted by T Reynolds, Fri Jul-18-14 09:40 AM
2892935, we rolled out tuff to Hip Hopera back then
Posted by PoppaGeorge, Fri Jul-18-14 07:35 PM
'94/95, me and crew on Belle Isle and Jefferson Ave in Downtown Detroit during the summers with my boy's 12's in the trunk and Volume 10 in the tape deck.

Shit was sweet.
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I miss Tha D... But I'll never move back there.


R.I.P. Disco D
2892754, The Baka Boyz (its producers) also touch on it in this podcast....
Posted by MISTA MONOTONE, Thu Jul-17-14 02:56 PM
https://soundcloud.com/shots-fired-podcast/episode-70-radio-heads-ft-the-baka-boyz
2892809, Sunbeams Remix had a similar sound too...
Posted by ry 213, Thu Jul-17-14 10:29 PM
It's doper than the original to me. Flow Wood was dope too...
2892843, my favorite alternate mix was the Where's the Sniper original
Posted by T Reynolds, Fri Jul-18-14 09:45 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpcFbHOQ_Wc

Shit goes way harder than the album version, although the album version was solid
2893061, RE: my favorite alternate mix was the Where's the Sniper original
Posted by ry 213, Sun Jul-20-14 12:11 PM
Never heard that before, thanks for posting, its dope!
2892811, good read. the track was pretty big here in Aus too
Posted by araQual, Thu Jul-17-14 10:45 PM
used to be a staple at all the hip hop/r&b clubs. probly still is but i dont go clubbing anymore to know.

V.
2892842, Volume 10's newer shit is hard too. Pawn Shop (link)
Posted by T Reynolds, Fri Jul-18-14 09:43 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48morEsnHEQ
2892845, RE: Volume 10's newer shit is hard too. Pawn Shop (link)
Posted by Nick Has a Problem...Seriously, Fri Jul-18-14 10:05 AM
damn didn't know he had some newer shit. thanks for this
2892855, kinda sounds like Suga Free here, but its cool
Posted by astralblak, Fri Jul-18-14 11:19 AM
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2892847, Ha I remember Immortal Records. I think they dropped Phil the Agony
Posted by T Reynolds, Fri Jul-18-14 10:16 AM
and Mykill Myers way back too
2892849, i don't remember Phil being on Immortal too.
Posted by MISTA MONOTONE, Fri Jul-18-14 10:21 AM
i usually associate him with Goodvibe.
2892851, Immortal released a compilation in the mid to late '90s
Posted by mrhood75, Fri Jul-18-14 10:35 AM
Featured almost exclusively West Coast artists: the aforementioned Phil Da Agony and Mykil Miers, plus Dilated Peoples, Defari, Vooodu, and other cats like that.
2892852, Exaaaactly. Good memory bro.
Posted by T Reynolds, Fri Jul-18-14 10:55 AM
http://www.discogs.com/Mykill-Miers-Phil-The-Agony-Soul-Searchin-Net-Weight/release/1358558

Net Weight was one of the better songs on the compilation

it wasn't particularly good, but I dug what it was trying to do

And vooodu and all them were regulars on Friday Night Flavas and Wake Up so, it was good seeing them put some actual product out
2892859, RE: Immortal released a compilation in the mid to late '90s
Posted by moonsatellite, Fri Jul-18-14 11:26 AM
... and that shxt was INCREDIBLE. Recently discovered that the last track was a Detroit crew, which DJ Dez was involved with: Laswunzout... and Davina did the beat! Remember her?
2892870, i remember that now, i owned that album at one point.
Posted by MISTA MONOTONE, Fri Jul-18-14 11:43 AM
>... and that shxt was INCREDIBLE.

i don't recall liking it that much tho, lol.

>Recently discovered that
>the last track was a Detroit crew, which DJ Dez was involved
>with: Laswunzout... and Davina did the beat! Remember her?

absolutely! hate to be a spoilsport, but ummm...*coughs*ghostproducer*cough*

2892875, RE: i remember that now, i owned that album at one point.
Posted by moonsatellite, Fri Jul-18-14 12:01 PM
>absolutely! hate to be a spoilsport, but
>ummm...*coughs*ghostproducer*cough*
>
>

ah, 90's rap politics.
2892871, "So Good Davina?
Posted by T Reynolds, Fri Jul-18-14 11:44 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYYPBTE6TS0

if so, wow

2892887, one and the same. n/m.
Posted by MISTA MONOTONE, Fri Jul-18-14 12:54 PM
2893005, I knew one of the Laswunzout.
Posted by PoppaGeorge, Sat Jul-19-14 04:19 PM
Funny thing: In the summer of 1993, I worked at Tel-12 mall in Southfield at the arcade. Houseshoes worked at the A&W in the food court and one of Laswunzout worked as a security guard there (cat named Lorenzo, can't remember his last name or stage name for shit) Took a moment to remember dude's name too 'cause he also dated my one of my sisters for a good while.

I had that tape too (The Next Chapter). I got is specifically because they were on it.

http://www.discogs.com/Various-The-Next-Chapter/release/835981
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I miss Tha D... But I'll never move back there.


R.I.P. Disco D
2893243, i wish i had pictures of the old Tel 12, man.
Posted by MISTA MONOTONE, Mon Jul-21-14 06:54 PM
those days are LOOOOONG gone. i used to work at the KMart that used to be next to it.

things are changing like crazy out here. (that happened a long time ago, i'm just sayin'...lol)

>Funny thing: In the summer of 1993, I worked at Tel-12 mall
>in Southfield at the arcade. Houseshoes worked at the A&W in
>the food court and one of Laswunzout worked as a security
>guard there (cat named Lorenzo, can't remember his last name
>or stage name for shit) Took a moment to remember dude's name
>too 'cause he also dated my one of my sisters for a good
>while.
>
>I had that tape too (The Next Chapter). I got is specifically
>because they were on it.
>
>http://www.discogs.com/Various-The-Next-Chapter/release/835981
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>
>I miss Tha D... But I'll never move back there.
>
>
>R.I.P. Disco D
2892856, Phil so trash
Posted by astralblak, Fri Jul-18-14 11:20 AM
I fucked with Mykill Myers tho
2892868, I felt the opposite. Mykill was good live but he was so nondescript
Posted by T Reynolds, Fri Jul-18-14 11:43 AM
Phil the Agony I liked back then and even now with Strong Arm Steady

I just like how he yells in the mic, shit is kinda humor

Not up on all his solo shit but The Aromatic Album had a few decent tracks on it
2892888, agreed. Phil has one of my favorite voices in hip hop.
Posted by MISTA MONOTONE, Fri Jul-18-14 12:55 PM
SAS shit (Stoney Jackson) is solid.
2892953, Phil is engaging and sometimes he's really fun to listen to
Posted by micMajestic, Fri Jul-18-14 09:34 PM
>I fucked with Mykill Myers tho

But I could see how someone would think he's wack if they don't think his delivery is hitting. Everything he raps sounds like he just wrote it 10 minutes ago.
2892866, for those in this thread. IF YOU HAVEN'T WATCHED
Posted by astralblak, Fri Jul-18-14 11:35 AM
"How The West Was" One Doc I implore you to do so
2892873, The This is the Life doc homegirl from Figures of Speech made
Posted by T Reynolds, Fri Jul-18-14 11:55 AM
showed the whole emotional aspect of Volume 10 fucking off his own career and living with the repercussions that this article is talking about too
2892903, Ava Duvernay
Posted by astralblak, Fri Jul-18-14 01:38 PM
she's become a pretty respected film maker since

2892955, I couldn't get into anything besides the single. Honestly I probably
Posted by micMajestic, Fri Jul-18-14 09:54 PM
would have preferred him and Ganjah K as a duo, too bad that didn't pan out.

4 Better or 4 Worse
2893230, RE: I couldn't get into anything besides the single. Honestly I probably
Posted by Original Juice, Mon Jul-21-14 05:11 PM
Yeah, me too.

I loved his flow, but I just couldn't get into the whole tape. I think I returned it to Sam Goody/Musicaland in exchange for something more enjoyable to me at the time.

The only other track of note to me was Sunbeams.
2892999, The Rage Against the Machine cover was dope too.
Posted by bwood, Sat Jul-19-14 02:48 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5dQOYe6yRY

Of course the original is better.
2893018, hi-five
Posted by astralblak, Sat Jul-19-14 06:59 PM
.
2893093, Remember Liquor Store Run from Rhyme and Reason Soundtrack?
Posted by ry 213, Sun Jul-20-14 07:52 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EP7Gxbhoy0g
2893238, that was the SHIT!
Posted by PoppaGeorge, Mon Jul-21-14 06:29 PM
played that song so much it sounded dull compared to the rest of the tape. That was the anthem for rollin to the Omni over off 7 mile and the Lodge.
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I miss Tha D... But I'll never move back there.


R.I.P. Disco D
2893242, 12 Tech Mob used to sell my mixtapes outta there...lol.
Posted by MISTA MONOTONE, Mon Jul-21-14 06:52 PM
>That was the anthem for rollin to the Omni over
>off 7 mile and the Lodge.
2893231, I feel some kinda way about the insenuation
Posted by imcvspl, Mon Jul-21-14 05:17 PM
that if Volume 10 had just went ahead and let Ice Cube bite his style he could have been Mack 10 in Westside Connection. And that pretty much sums up my feelings on the piece. It's like every effort is being made to say he should have been a faux banger (faux life!!), and he let his fucking artistic integrity get in the way.

In fact that's a big problem I have with a lot of the revisionism in hip-hop. They can't even appreciate Hip-Hoppera for what it was. It's all about how problematic it was as the antithesis of success rap, without contextualizing why it was so important to have an antithesis to success rap. So they use the 'crossover' hit as an example of what shoulda woulda coulda, meanwhile the only way it was born was from an artist that was the antithesis of success rap.


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Big PEMFin H & z's
"I ain't no entertainer, and ain't trying to be one. I am 1 thing, a musician." © Miles

"When the music stops he falls back in the abyss."
2893307, It kind of misses the cultural significance of the Good Life &
Posted by T Reynolds, Tue Jul-22-14 11:03 AM
Project Blowed

What the people who ran those places like Ben Caldwell really had in mind

The Good Life was a health food store and had huge 'conscious' vibes. You were not allowed to curse at the Good Life. It promoted creativity above negativity.

More than that it was a very real alternative to gang culture, and the type of music that was more celebratory of that.

I mean the Blowed at a definite tension to it, especially in the ciphers outside but it was always released artistically. Cats like Ellay Khule were involved in that life. Mikah Nine never spoke about his gang ties or neighborhood until he got on a mixtape with Jim Jones, turns out dude was tight with BPS in the Jungle. He neeeever talked about that shit in his years rhyming in LA.

The article says Volume 10 was similarly 'street' or whatever, but his music was so far beyond that mentality. Should he have instead, like you said, been a faux gangsta in order to sell records and promote an image of Los Angeles that was ultimately self-damaging instead of uplifting? I think it speaks more to his integrity that he turned all of that down because of how he viewed himself as an artist.