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Topic subjectRZA: No Raekwon in 30 days, no new Wu album (link)
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2882390, RZA: No Raekwon in 30 days, no new Wu album (link)
Posted by Nick Has a Problem...Seriously, Wed Apr-23-14 03:15 PM
So do y'all want a Wu album with no Raekwon or no Wu album at all?

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/video/si-video/20140423/2014-04-23-clip03.sportsillustrated/
2882395, simple. Kick Rae out of Wu, make Cappa permanent member
Posted by melmag, Wed Apr-23-14 03:59 PM
2882399, That seriously makes sense to you?
Posted by micMajestic, Wed Apr-23-14 04:20 PM
2882413, RE: simple. Kick Rae out of Wu, make Cappa permanent member
Posted by Conscious, Wed Apr-23-14 04:48 PM
> smoke crack much?
2882398, if Rae records verses for this they gotta be chock full of subliminals
Posted by philpot, Wed Apr-23-14 04:19 PM
i mean at this point i wonder if it would be so awkward it'll ruin the whole thing anyway
2882404, w/ or w/o him they can still keep that.
Posted by BrooklynWHAT, Wed Apr-23-14 04:26 PM
2882406, that's where i'm at with it
Posted by Nick Has a Problem...Seriously, Wed Apr-23-14 04:29 PM
the project seems forced anyway.
2882411, I'm with you
Posted by Anonymous, Wed Apr-23-14 04:40 PM
Making a Wu album should be so fucking easy.

Everyone other than RZA does the bare minimum.

I get that if they're not feeling the musical direction then it would be hard to complete but they need to all sit down and come up with a plan that they all agree on.

If RZA wants to do all of the music, then cool.

Every 2 weeks they need to sit down with beats he made and collectively decide which ones they want to use. There are 8 living official members...if 5 of them agree on a beat then they write to it. Best concept stays...best verses stay... Best hook stays.

Either way, Rae and the other members have to give RZA final say on something. Because someone has to decide how tracks are arranged. Someone has to decide on who came with the best verse. Not to say RZA gets the only say but there does have to be one person leading those discussions.

But if they're all grown ass men...shit should be easy. Best beats stay, best verses stay. If RZA is mad because his beats got passed on then he needs to suck it up and come harder. If an MC is mad they didn't make the cut, they need to suck it up and come harder. If there is a specific beat that one member loves but it didn't get the majority vote...fuck it... Let them keep it for a solo.

Shit isn't rocket science.
2882414, ^
Posted by Ishwip, Wed Apr-23-14 04:53 PM
>Making a Wu album should be so fucking easy.
>
>Everyone other than RZA does the bare minimum.
>
>I get that if they're not feeling the musical direction then
>it would be hard to complete but they need to all sit down and
>come up with a plan that they all agree on.
>
>If RZA wants to do all of the music, then cool.
>
>Every 2 weeks they need to sit down with beats he made and
>collectively decide which ones they want to use. There are 8
>living official members...if 5 of them agree on a beat then
>they write to it. Best concept stays...best verses stay...
>Best hook stays.
>
>Either way, Rae and the other members have to give RZA final
>say on something. Because someone has to decide how tracks
>are arranged. Someone has to decide on who came with the best
>verse. Not to say RZA gets the only say but there does have
>to be one person leading those discussions.
>
>But if they're all grown ass men...shit should be easy. Best
>beats stay, best verses stay. If RZA is mad because his beats
>got passed on then he needs to suck it up and come harder. If
>an MC is mad they didn't make the cut, they need to suck it up
>and come harder. If there is a specific beat that one member
>loves but it didn't get the majority vote...fuck it... Let
>them keep it for a solo.
>
>Shit isn't rocket science.


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I don't like the beat anymore because its just a loop. ALC didn't FLIP IT ENOUGH!

Flip it enough? Flip these. Flip off. Go flip some f*cking burgers.(c)Kno

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2882465, In a perfect world this would be..prefect..BUT
Posted by Alphabet, Wed Apr-23-14 08:58 PM
in reality it sounds like a recipe for disaster..

I can't really see that approach working and it be NO ego trippin and dudes just swallowing it, which I think is mostly the problem now.

Im mostly talking about Ghost & Rae..I mean shit..those two have been the ONLY tangible light for the Wu the last..almost 15 years! (Supreme Clientele came out in like 99-2000 right?, Ever since then it's been ALL Ghost and Rae doing anything worth paying attention to from the Wu).

So I would guess Ghost & Rae would feel slighted and demoted trying to take the democracy approach. Those two guys would feel like their word and say so would mean more being they've been the only one really carrying the flag the last decade plus.




2882471, well
Posted by Anonymous, Wed Apr-23-14 09:25 PM
I think the thing that keeps those two relevant is that they stick to what they do best.

At least when they have success and get the critical acclaim they do...Supreme, Fishscale, Cuban Linx II...

I feel like they don't need to be slighted at all because when presented with different beats, they're going to rock with the ones they're feeling and the other will ultimately fall in line.

Shit, part of that initial meeting, they need to bring that shit up. Supreme hit...Fishscale hit...Cuban Linx II hit and even Wu vs Shaolin hit more so than anything else they've done.

That's just the truth and they ALL need to face that.

Fuck that ego shit. That's why I said, "if they're grown ass men".
2882412, RE: RZA: No Raekwon in 30 days, no new Wu album (link)
Posted by Conscious, Wed Apr-23-14 04:47 PM
I'm mad he said he's got a 90& batting average...
2882415, sports illustrated? rza is really going all out
Posted by bearfield, Wed Apr-23-14 04:58 PM
this is a genuinely interesting media blitz he's pulling off here
2882417, Rae not being there isn't enough to blow up the whole project
Posted by Ishwip, Wed Apr-23-14 05:04 PM
He's not that ill or important in 2014 to give him this much power.

Assuming everyone else in the crew is on point, the guests (if any) aren't forced and make sense (Wu affiliates, Nas, Redman), and production is nice, eff a Rae.

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I don't like the beat anymore because its just a loop. ALC didn't FLIP IT ENOUGH!

Flip it enough? Flip these. Flip off. Go flip some f*cking burgers.(c)Kno

Allied State of the National Electric Beat Treaty Organization (NEBTO)
2882421, ??? Rae's been holding the torch for the last 5 years.
Posted by micMajestic, Wed Apr-23-14 05:23 PM
>He's not that ill or important in 2014 to give him this much
>power.
>
>Assuming everyone else in the crew is on point, the guests (if
>any) aren't forced and make sense (Wu affiliates, Nas,
>Redman), and production is nice, eff a Rae.

Before that it was Ghost.

He's got like 3x the output (counting mixtapes) of every other Wu General except Ghost.
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2882426, RE: ??? Rae's been holding the torch for the last 5 years.
Posted by Ishwip, Wed Apr-23-14 05:37 PM
>>He's not that ill or important in 2014 to give him this
>much
>>power.
>>
>>Assuming everyone else in the crew is on point, the guests
>(if
>>any) aren't forced and make sense (Wu affiliates, Nas,
>>Redman), and production is nice, eff a Rae.
>
>Before that it was Ghost.
>
>He's got like 3x the output (counting mixtapes) of every other
>Wu General except Ghost.

And I've enjoyed most of it and would still check for solo Rae stuff going forward, but again, if everything else is in place and dope (a big assumption, I know) it doesn't make sense to shelve the whole album cuz of no Rae.

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I don't like the beat anymore because its just a loop. ALC didn't FLIP IT ENOUGH!

Flip it enough? Flip these. Flip off. Go flip some f*cking burgers.(c)Kno

Allied State of the National Electric Beat Treaty Organization (NEBTO)
2882440, 10000% agree
Posted by Clarence Clarke, Wed Apr-23-14 06:31 PM
Rae is most prolific right now, but I really wouldn't mind a Wu album without him.
The way it's sounding, it would be better without him anyway, simply because
he isn't on the same page as the rest of the members at this point.
2882464, That escalated quickly.
Posted by JFrost1117, Wed Apr-23-14 08:55 PM
2882466, LOL @ RZA just checkmating and mindfucking Raekwon
Posted by Orbit_Established, Wed Apr-23-14 09:00 PM

The disparity in intelligence between the two is
legitimately the diff b/w a 5 y/o boy and his dad

Raekwon will have to eat it for LIFE if he don't come
around

And RZA looks like the bigger man by saying that he needs
Rae's approval...on some "its a family decision"

Hahaha




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2882526, RE: LOL @ RZA just checkmating and mindfucking Raekwon
Posted by one_mind, Thu Apr-24-14 09:10 AM
>
>The disparity in intelligence between the two is
>legitimately the diff b/w a 5 y/o boy and his dad
>
>Raekwon will have to eat it for LIFE if he don't come
>around
>
>And RZA looks like the bigger man by saying that he needs
>Rae's approval...on some "its a family decision"
>


def. rza is backing up all his reasons with legit points. rae is pretty much giving your typical rapper demands and not seeing the bigger picture
2882545, Rza is legit smart
Posted by astralblak, Thu Apr-24-14 10:54 AM
reads, builds with people in different intellectual and creative fields, eats well, plays chess at a high level, meditates and practices martial arts, and has extended his career past the Wu brand, while always repping Wu

Rae makes good rap songs
2882591, Yep.
Posted by NoDrawls McGraw, Thu Apr-24-14 02:19 PM
2882485, Aight...now this publicity stunt is getting a little TOO elaborate.
Posted by Brew, Wed Apr-23-14 10:38 PM
2882527, RE: RZA: No Raekwon in 30 days, no new Wu album (link)
Posted by Wise 7, Thu Apr-24-14 09:10 AM
Personally, I think that if Rae ultimately says "No", then "A Better Tommorow" should come out
as a Rza solo album (that just so happens to feature the rest of the Clan). Rae never gets on
Rza's solo projects anyway, LOL...
2882529, Soo....odds this album is going to even be listenable under these circumstances
Posted by BigReg, Thu Apr-24-14 09:18 AM
Nil.

2882530, Was it going to be listenable with Rae's input?
Posted by Nick Has a Problem...Seriously, Thu Apr-24-14 09:25 AM
2882537, The Art of ChessBoxing
Posted by southphillyman, Thu Apr-24-14 10:35 AM
The museum album is already complete correct?
Rae is looking real dumb right now
2882542, lol..RZA has set the stage for a win-win in terms of PR
Posted by dafriquan, Thu Apr-24-14 10:47 AM
No album. Y'all can blame Rae.
Weak album with Rae. Blame Rae for delaying and fucking with the cohesion.
Weak album without Rae. Blame Rae for withholding his contribution as a top tier general.

The only winning option for Rae at this point is to hop on the album and rap his ass off.
2882600, I miss the days before the internet n/m
Posted by imcvspl, Thu Apr-24-14 02:34 PM

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2882611, Good on Rae for stopping another shitty Wu album
Posted by mrshow, Thu Apr-24-14 03:01 PM
Clearly, he cares more about the Wu's musical legacy than RZA at this point.