I see a lot of "I'm starting a vinyl collection" posts here in OKP. I thought this guide here would be extremely useful for those like myself who are dipping their toe in vinyl land. The list is based on two criteria 1) essentialness(?) 2) availability.

http://www.amoeba.com/blog/2013/11/pst/100-essential-albums-for-your-record-collection.html?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=PhotoPost&utm_campaign=100EssentialAlbums

**sees M.I.A. on list**

**closes tab**


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"unspecified psychosis." http://bit.ly/HgJRBl
"the real ernesto." http://bit.ly/1dNHCk5
"cycles." http://bit.ly/16VHxJi
"untitled 6." http://bit.ly/19QmVPu
"1.5.2.0." http://bit.ly/18UMv7A

a bit predictable, but that's unsurprising.

not to discount the rest of the list, but this just lets me know where dude is coming from... and it's def. not being informed enough to be an authority on which 100 albums people should cop.. def. gonna check out some stuff on the list that i don't have though

>not to discount the rest of the list, but this just lets me
>know where dude is coming from... and it's def. not being
>informed enough to be an authority on which 100 albums people
>should cop.. def. gonna check out some stuff on the list that
>i don't have though

maybe those albums arent available

glad to see Dusty in Memphis on the list... but ppl really need to hear all (12 or 13) of the bonus tracks too... shit should've been a double album.. and up there with the best double albums ever.. just sayin' lol

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but, again, if the consumer enjoys any of the albums on the list s/he is likely to explore the rest of the respective acts' catalog.

how about discovering music on your own, and finding out what's "essential" to *you* ?


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and then dive deeper into their discography....

these can be a great starting point for going deeper into an artist's catalog.

it's about ppl that have interest in discovering more music,
and are wondering where to start.


when i started to get into rock,
i started with the rolling stone magazine top 500 albums.
it's certainly better than going to the store
and picking out random albums.


that list was helpful to me.






i wish there were similar lists in more mainstream publications
for soul music for ppl that may want to dig deeper than
stevie and marvin.

>i wish there were similar lists in more mainstream
>publications
>for soul music for ppl that may want to dig deeper than
>stevie and marvin.
>
>

also did a "starter jazz albums" post that was less successful

http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=5&topic_id=2816940&mesg_id=2816940&listing_type=search#2853197

and its predictable

do you think that the albums on this list aren't worth hearing?
if a person is interested in getting into rock music,
how are the beatles and the stones and the clash NOT legit starting points?


most ppl that like rock usually have some use for those bands.




i know it's cliche to say songs in the key of life is stevie's best album, but if somebody has heard stevie's hits and wants to dig deeper,
is there any reason why they SHOULDN'T start at SITKOL?

it IS a great album.

period

it outta be more black artists featured period

and folks are scared to give Black folks the dominant picks on the list

best of the 70s:
http://www.soultracks.com/70s-poll-results

best of the 80s
http://www.soultracks.com/80s-poll-results



all black artists "finally getting their due."

them list don't even go all the way

Mainly because I saw an album cover (and a snippet of a song) on the film Almost Famous. And I was like, "I need to hear that." But I didn't know where to start. This list helped. I also dig the short commentary on each album. Kinda made me want to hear the Allman Brothers album too.

But yeah, it has been lists like these that helped usher me into Rock and Punk.

>do you think that the albums on this list aren't worth
>hearing?
>if a person is interested in getting into rock music,
>how are the beatles and the stones and the clash NOT legit
>starting points?
>
Exchange the fucking Clash with the Ramones (who was on the list) and I agree. However, the list didn't state rock -music and in fact did a decent job at putting "non-rock" representatives on it. So basically, people expect these kind of lists to give a decent idea of "rock" and its classics? Well, it did I guess but why do people expect that? It did not state "rock" and yet, that's where people expect it to deliver?

Nah, there's a Rolling Stone-list indoctrination going on here; and NEVER forget that Rolling Stone is the fakest, most revisionist magazine in the crowd-am I the only one old enough to remember they gave "Nevermind" a 3/5 while british mags like NME and Melody Maker put it on top (or top 3) of the lists the same year (note:I'm not a fan of that record but that's not the issue)? Actually, Spin was kind of like that too; wait for the brits to give *US* music props before it gets a cosign, meanwhile:hug the limeys! US mainstream rock-press was some bullshit, like embarassing in retrospect...
>
>most ppl that like rock usually have some use for those
>bands.
>
>
>
>
>i know it's cliche to say songs in the key of life is stevie's
>best album, but if somebody has heard stevie's hits and wants
>to dig deeper,
>is there any reason why they SHOULDN'T start at SITKOL?
>
>it IS a great album.

but for your "why did we assume it's rock?" question...
i just assumed it was based on their picks.

i also appreciated that they didn't just put token non rock albums up there.
they seemed to be non-rock albums that fit into the same aesthetic.

i tend to judge these lists based on how consistent they are
within their own list moreso than how much it resembles the starter kit
that I'd build.

and i don't assume anybody would go and buy all 100 albums.
they'll be in the record store and they'll pick 5 or 6 from the list
and then probably will check for other stuff from the artists they like.

i still haven't gotten through the rolling stone top 500 list and
i started digging 13 years ago.

my starter kit wouldn't look like this one,
and yours wouldn't either, but it won't lead anybody astray for long.





i just hate the lists i see sometimes in complex that could
give a young music snob a horrible start to learning about old school rap.

Anyone that had any knowledge of early electric blues knew Zep was a bunch of hacks. That might explain some of the early backlash.

<shrug>

then there's some good starting points.

I think by a quick scroll I've actually either owned or heard literally every single album on this before so this wasn't meant for me.

I have no idea why people would complain about these kind of lists.

Always consider the source, see if there's anything you can learn & add it to your own data/research.

If you look to these lists to get validation of artists you're already a fan of & enjoy, you're doing it wrong.

Someone who starts a record-collection does not *need* to hear 5 (five!) Beatles-albums and 3 Radiohead-records; no wonder people think those acts are overrated.

And as usual, metal apparently doesn't exist; no, a Black Sabbath-album from 1970 (recorded in 69!!!) doesn't count...

And considering the popularity of so-called "electronic" music nowadays, it's shameful, embarassing *and* pathetic that there's no Kraftwerk-album on the list.

And while it's a great album, the typical inclusion of James Brown's "Live at the apollo" (the first one) will continue to confuse people who expect to hear some hardcore funk only to hear old-school soul-balladery and rock'n'roll; records like "Revolution in the mind" or "Sex Machine" have *always* been better picks (admittedly, availability might be an issue there and JB is generally not thought of as an album-artist; whatever)...

And since I read somewhere that this store named themselves after the classic Adolescents-banger, where's the hardcore? Shove that Cars album (the Cars? LOL!) up the asshole it belongs and get "Damaged" instead...

And Janis Joplin should never be on any lists; she may be an icon but come on!

So no, I didn't like this list too much; it's not *bad* but there's some obvious flaws; it looks too much like a Rolling Stone-list to me and those are never good...

is early black sabbath really considered heavy metal?

it's essential, no matter what.

First Devo would have been a better pick. And no, I don't consider early Sabbath metal either which was my point...

<shrug>

Jeez, I go back to that first album about once a year and I just get blown away every single time.

It was an Eno production, too!


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"new strings." http://bit.ly/17C7zyt
"unspecified psychosis." http://bit.ly/HgJRBl
"the real ernesto." http://bit.ly/1dNHCk5
"cycles." http://bit.ly/16VHxJi
"untitled 6." http://bit.ly/19QmVPu

>First Devo would have been a better pick. And no, I don't
>consider early Sabbath metal either which was my point...

if the consumer likes any of these albums the idea is that s/he will delve deeper into the catalog of the artist.

we all did this when we built our music libraries. we started somewhere.

we need 5 Beatles-albums to dwell deeper into the catalog of the Beatles? k like you say...

Anyway, I don't see how this list will introduce a person to metal which has been a very successful form of music for the past 30 years. An admittedly very heavy Blues-rock album by Sabbath?

And how does any of the albums on this list besides perhaps Daft Punk (and honestly, that's a stretch) turn someone onto Kraftwerk and that whole aesthetic? Nah, I don't like this list even if it could be worse.

And no, it's not a big deal, I'll live...

they'll miss a lot of MOR r&b classics
and for the beatles, i'd honestly recommend those two double album compilations.

still, i think it's fine.
not perfect or even necessarily great. but fine.


also remember all this stuff has to be relatively easy to find on vinyl.
so that could explain some omissions.
they wanted to list the stuff you always see in record stores.

>we need 5 Beatles-albums to dwell deeper into the catalog of
>the Beatles? k like you say...
>
>Anyway, I don't see how this list will introduce a person to
>metal which has been a very successful form of music for the
>past 30 years. An admittedly very heavy Blues-rock album by
>Sabbath?
>
>And how does any of the albums on this list besides perhaps
>Daft Punk (and honestly, that's a stretch) turn someone onto
>Kraftwerk and that whole aesthetic? Nah, I don't like this
>list even if it could be worse.
>
>And no, it's not a big deal, I'll live...

...and "1999", And no, I'm not saying the "soul"-status of these albums are unquestionable and that they are not something else Then again which 80's Soul -albums should be there (not snark-it's a question, And don't say Janet, please!). However, couldn't a fucking, say, Metallica-album be put in the same place for metal? It's not a relevant comparison IMO because one genre clearly got it worse listing wise...

earth wind and fire, "that's the way of the world," "all 'n all,"
Rufus, "ask rufus"

as for 80s r&b...
i dunno.

anita baker, "rapture"
bobby brown, "don't be cruel"
and yes... janet, "control."

i'm not quibbling with these albums not being on the list.
i was just saying that the r&b albums selected wouldn't lead you
a lot of great r&b albums.

just like i think you're saying the rock albums picked
wouldn't lead you to a lot of great metal albums.




>...and "1999", And no, I'm not saying the "soul"-status of
>these albums are unquestionable and that they are not
>something else Then again which 80's Soul -albums should be
>there (not snark-it's a question, And don't say Janet,
>please!). However, couldn't a fucking, say, Metallica-album be
>put in the same place for metal? It's not a relevant
>comparison IMO because one genre clearly got it worse listing
>wise...

as you said, you'll live.

i used lists like these to start out my music collection. i was a bit of a student of music though.

i remember when i was starting out my House collection i started out buying what i now consider some of the worst compilations ever. but starting there w/those got me talking to ppl about the tracks i heard that i liked. i started reading about the artists and looking for albums they'd released. and i found out House is singles-driven, so i started looking for singles. i read all kinds of magazines and talked to record store employees and fans on the Internet. i made friends that way - one of them has been a BFF for 13 yrs now - we met on a House music messageboard. he became a professional DJ. together we taught each other about House and i taught him about classic Soul and Funk and Disco.

i think the reality is that ppl who WANT to delve deeper will do so. they have access to the big wide world on the Internet where they can read all about the music you like. in fact, they can read this here post where you've told them what they should pick up. they will not be stuck w/just this list from Amoeba. this list will be just one of many lists they will use when building their collection. at first, at least. eventually they'll feel comfy going on their own w/o this kind of direction.

and, of course, since this list is made by a record store the point is for consumers to ask the folks at Amoeba about any of these albums. 'If i like Revolver, what other stuff should I check for?' 'If I like Black Sabbath, what else should hear?' and so on.

w/in the corners of this post you ARE making this list more than it is. pull back and look at the forest - stop focusing on this tree.

i've only talked about the students of music who'll see this list - the casual consumers of music may just stick w/the records on this list or similar lists. that's the depth of their interest in music. they may not ever own 100 albums. but there's no 'saving' those ppl. they're into other things and music doesn't move them like it moves us. they'll be fine w/this list. they're not missing anything b/c their lives are filled by other interests. no need to sweat them not getting all the way deep into the various genres and subgenres that make our worlds go 'round. they're alright too.

relax yourself. please settle down. lol

I found out real quick in my early days on The Lesson, everybody wants to be the guy that "puts people on to artists". There are enough of those people out there. So as a music fan, I tend to play dumb about certain genres to hear what people think. If you ask anybody, "Tell me about __ genre of music", people will go on and on.

That's just one way I learn about new albums, artists and sounds.

I get bored myself reading that shit, sorry!!!

i've been there, though.
i backspace more than i post, just b/c i bore myself when i read it back.

Asshole.


``i know you are fake. . . 'cause man, i'm the same.``
"new strings." http://bit.ly/17C7zyt
"unspecified psychosis." http://bit.ly/HgJRBl
"the real ernesto." http://bit.ly/1dNHCk5
"cycles." http://bit.ly/16VHxJi
"untitled 6." http://bit.ly/19QmVPu

I was looking for Prince double album "1999" to be on this list and it was especially how Prince put his eyes on the vinyl lps itself. now, that was an original concept and had never been done before. by the way, I just picked up the Issac Hayes Movement lp for 3 bucks which seems rare.

is finding rare records that you've never heard before on the cheap, or popular ones that you just don't have, or greatest hits so you can rock out to classic shit on vinyl. some steals that have become among my favorites:

- wonderwall music/george harrison
- rarities/the beatles
- columbia uni/princeton electronic music center (1961)
- mariah carey's first album
- talking book/stevie wonder
- hotel california/the eagles
- greatest hits by beach boys, diana ross, etc.
- i won't even get started on old hip hop singles where you'll find tons of rare remixes and instrumentals..

and then there are those obscure avant-garde gems that are great for sampling or background music. i'm also lucky that i scooped the entire beatles catalog back around 2000 when vinyl wasn't really popular. that being said, you need to be aware of different releases, as quality of the pressing always varies.

stevehoffman.tv and discogs.com are your friends...

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