Both songs are incredible. I'm wondering what the relationship between these two songs is in terms of publishing and credits. I remember wooing many a lady with 'outside your door' and always loved the melodic piano during the verse. B Mcknight chopped the last half of the melody, second varation and looped it. Both songs are incredible to me.

Question is how the money got divied up and possibly how we think it should be. Specifically how much Meshelle got from it and what we think she should've got.

Outside your door:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88OpuYT-MKY

Do I ever cross your mind:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYcWnSUpXYw

goddamn that McKnight tune is timeless.

And he has denied the obvious connection while Meshell took the high road.

it was dope, but i lost what ever respect i had for the dude.

>it was dope, but i lost what ever respect i had for the
>dude.

I thought dude was okay. He had his lane and that was cool. But when he jacked this song and had the temerity to lie about it? Whatever respect I had was gone.

Might be one of those times when you steal something without realizing. Happens to me sometimes....something in your head and you forget that it actually exists somewhere. George Harrison described this when he defended 'My sweet lord'.

I'm surprised something wasn't done retroactively cause that song's been used in movies and stuff. We're talking big bucks for that publishing. Meshelle (or whoever owns her publishing) missed a big payday. Can't imagine why it wasn't pursued.

>Might be one of those times when you steal something without
>realizing. Happens to me sometimes....something in your head
>and you forget that it actually exists somewhere. George
>Harrison described this when he defended 'My sweet lord'.

I wrote a song once, played it for someone, only to have them tell me that the main riff was a straight rip from Tracy Chapman's chord riff from "Fast Car" - as soon as they said it, I heard it. But I had *no* idea when I wrote it... thought I'd hit on something cool and catchy (not that it's an especially innovative riff to begin with).

Still, when you have a major label artist recording w/so many people around him, you'd think *someone* would have said: "Uh...."

-thebigfunk

~ i could still snort you under the table ~

“When that song came out—you know, I used to beg my record company to
put out, “Outside Your Door.” It’s like, ’that’s the single man, put it out.’ But
they ignored me. Then brother Brian—just straight up took my shit. You can’t
cry over spilled milk—you just let it go—’cause I—I’ll keep writing and I’ll write
many other songs, so that’s cool.”

—Meshell Ndegeocello, Luna Park, West Hollywood, May 13, 1999

heard his Manager smoothed things over. Brian was cocky about it though I heard he said I was out before her so thats that. he trips me out with his arrogance at times.

i was out first as a artist before her. brian did a hip hop move. playa playa

Dude is a thief.

http://www.freemyheart.com/gallery/45.html

i defend brian mcknight haters gotta deal with me

bullshit.

fuck brian mcknight.

Brian won and i defend him. Brian is cool and he made the melody better and did more with it.

again, you just have shitty taste.

no surprises (c) radiohead.

if you don't like Brian then cool I respect your opinion but Brian is skilled on like 6 instruments and is a way better singer



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his first album was pretty good, then his second album was damn nice

then he fell the fuck off.

all that talent and little to show for it.

he may well have a better voice than meshell, but her music is a damn sight better than his.

it's not even close.

most folks can't name more than 1 of her songs

and poll folks and find out how many people know his songs and then hers and watch it not even be close.

and certainly not here.

that kind of reasoning doesn't mean much to me, in any case.

black eyed peas were massive around the world and had a bunch of hits. it doesn't mean that their music was appealing to me.

he did some big business and this cat can play and sing period.

it barely charted elsewhere than canada.

if you rep America then you are important. nuff said and everybody follows America

come across the atlantic and blast some Brian Mcknight MATE!!!!!

i liked his first two albums

that was it.

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but in this one you're on the wrong side of the argument because you like the artist
this is why people give you a hard time here, you do this shit constantly and for no other reason than you like the artist
you're no different than these teenybopper bitches in that regard

But it is maxxx's tendency to side with more... "proletarian" artists than those who are viewed as "artsy" or catering to rarefied tastes.

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"When the music stops he falls back in the abyss."

I think his feeling about McKnight is kinda like his feeling about Ursher: He's basically a tired turkey, but he has managed to make the moves to maintain a viable career so God bless him for that because we need more Black R&B stars to fight back the interlopers.

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"When the music stops he falls back in the abyss."

Maxxx was a staunch Let Me Show You How Your Pu$$y Works supporter.

might have been during one of Orfeo's sabbaticals.

He talked about how he liked Brian because he showed he had a funky sense of humor.

But if I recall, that was what actually won him over to Brian's side to begin with, because before that he said dude was whitebread.

So after "If You're Ready To Learn," maxxx championed him for a few months, then went back to talking about how tired he is.

Yeah... I did overlook that episode. But I'm pretty sure maxxx was no big fan of McKnight because I remember arguing with him about it, and I tried to raise the point that Kellz is supposedly a fan and good friend of B.Mac.

very talented cat. you outta see his live from brazil dvd where he threw done. dude plays classical and jazz like you make Mac and cheese and kool aid from scratch.

from a talent perspective not many acts can hang with him. scary singer, his biggest flaw is keeping a hit and also being late on things.

he is one of the best acts over the past 25 years, however to many he is a 90's thing. great live act. he can play.

he would wipe the floor on meshall musically speaking and she knows it

Pharell and Thicke took got to give it up by Marvin Gaye and they even had a open court appointment to ward off any lawsuits so did Meshall have a said arrangement against Brian or anybody else? no she didn't and lets be real Got to give it up>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>all Meshall songs combined and it ain't even close.

we all have bias and agendas for whom we championing as you do yourself. speak for you before you look at me sideways

equally, everyone here knows that
and don't think I don't remember your championing of Quincy Jones a few years back before you flipped on him

previous life so you can deny all you want. we all have bias period. as for Quincy Jones as far as putting the right songs and arranging and getting the concepts, etc.. that is his Greatness, however on the hands on and doing anything or actually creating things, then he is vastly overrated.

>as for Quincy Jones as far as putting the right songs
>and arranging and getting the concepts, etc.. that is his
>Greatness, however on the hands on and doing anything or
>actually creating things, then he is vastly overrated.



at least it was.
the idea of the producer making the entire track and then handing it over to the artist
is a hip hop thing.

before that, it meant what you just described.

Quincy is the one that told MIke to redo the vox
on the lady in my life over and over again and to dig deeper
until he pulled out the best take.


Quincy is the one that had Mike sing in lower registers on OTW.

Quincy is the one that said Billie jean had to have a unique sonic quality
in order to be on "thriller"


everything you're describing is a producers job.

Quincy didn't do a thing in the studio. arrangements were the same charts for 30 plus years. truth is Rod Temperton and Jerry Hey along with MJ really produced those records.

Q had the team and carried that power. however he didn't do a thing.

James Ingram felt the same way and i ain't going into this on here.

...people like Quincy Jones and Phil Spector to use another example pretty much became big names in their own right which wasnt really the case with other producers working like that. I mean, none of the Atlantic or stax or Phillysoul producers are big names like that in spite of their input and you could take a guy like Willie Mitchell who was amazing and did the Al Green stuff, hes not a household name like Quincy but only known amongst music nerds.

Basically, people like Quincy and Phil Spector earlier were extremely good at self/promotion and hyping themselves up which most producers didn\t do, instead they chose to play the background and be behind the scenes. I don\t think that should be neglected in terms of why they are perceived differently...

http://bit.ly/HqllxO

Note to self: Stop sayin 'this era/generation'

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"When the music stops he falls back in the abyss."

she can, but after that is a marginal writer, half baked singer. she good live and hit and alot of miss career

do you even like jimi hendrix? honestly?

foxy lady is a pimping gangsta jam. Hendrix was scary versatile and ahead of his time.

>she can, but after that is a marginal writer, half baked
>singer. she good live and hit and alot of miss career

Hit and miss on the charts? Sure, but she hasn't been aiming for those for years...

Hit and miss in quality? Not. A Chance. Her least interesting album (musically) is her *first* and even *that's* a classic - she doesn't have a single snoozer in her catalog.

It's not even fair trying to compare the two. Meshell's a complete artist. Brian's a talented guy and good performer with a middle-of-the-road catalog and pretty perfunctory career. Nothing wrong with that, but he's not on Meshell's playing field *at all* (and I usually don't compare folks like that).


-thebigfunk

~ i could still snort you under the table ~

clap to the response because I broke it off

you saying so doesn't make it so.

it never has.

you turkeys lost

get real.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skCV2L0c6K0

and she wasn't on that label as a tax write off either. her first two albums had commerical promise and videos, pr, etc.. it wasn't like she wasn't trying.

she ain't got no catelog as a songwriter touching Brian Mcknight. call him whatever you want, he still is a better instrumentalist and better all around artist than her period.

He can Sing her under a table, out write her and is more versatile. aside from Bass what else can she hang with him on again?

You got Served and come correct next time you wants to debate, you just got Served!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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lol

it took years before i could even listen to McNight' version without a feeling of disgust toward him. chics used to LOVE that shit too, and i would always fuck up the moment, soundin all bitter like "nah fuck that, this fool bit Meshelle' shit."

it would be straight bullshit to try and say "...Cross Your Mind" aint a dope ass song, but man it took me a while to get past that shit to the point i could just sit back and enjoy it.

it ain't like he didn't have hits or was a marginal act and then had this song and blew up. Brian did a Hip Hop move ya dig?

actually i have no horse in the race. not crazy about either song.
but brian made the bigger song using a throwaway melody meshell used to set up her song.

and the rest was history

If Brian would've credited her, this shit wouldn't be a big deal...

But the nigga played stupid and ignorant. Foul shit.

Acting like he came up with the shit himself.

Just give the credit, and no one can say anything.

But the puss-ass nigga stole it.

With all that said...I think they're both very talented, but Meshell moves me way more. But Brian is no slouch. He got skills.

Just give credit where its due. Mofos always wanna deny credit to the people who created their shit.

ripoff...pretty open and shut it would seem

and also she was in shock as she was flattered all at once.

http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=5&topic_id=2851492&mesg_id=2851492&page=#2852355

Brian showed her how the song works. pun intended

with that Warner Brothers backing. they HAD money. the question is why they didn't pursue it.

because as much politics as these record companys have and all the courtesy and clearence you gotta get to just do a Colab, it speaks volumes.

"and she wasn't on that label as a tax write off either. her first two albums had commerical promise and videos, pr, etc.."

http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=5&topic_id=2851492&mesg_id=2851492&page=#2852355

LOL

Taylor Dayne to his Taylor Shift. bottom line Brian Mcknight won and pulled a thug gangsta move off of one song which only sore eye Meshall stans cry about.

believe me nobody is crying Argentina over it.

aside from her bass playing and instrumentation versatility at times, she was never in his league.

outside her fans nobody gives two straws and a shake about her

it must be tiring.

LOL

i will defend Brian Mcknight up in this piece.

i saw what you said about Brian Mcknight above and Personally you are out of pocket and only in one lane. this ain't your scene ya dig.

I don't politic for you, ya Dig. nobody told you to open your mouth on this thread and since you don't know much about Brian Mcknight you Need to lean on back.

i can back my stuff up ya Dig? pop a sun roof open and let the wind blow Homie you ain't that deep,not even Jerry Springer deep thought.

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“Floyd Mayweather should be taking fights up to 157 or 160 pounds...His frame can hold the weight..it's not even a lot of weight....Go to the gym and lift weights man..lol.”-- Warren Coolidge

ya dig? you upset my lady a long time ago with your stupid remarks and I ain't forgot that Joe thread and your dumb response.

you need to moonwalk when you see me because its on full Blast if you respond to me you jive Piece of trash.

if you weren't no Mod then nobody would pay your corny self any mind./

you are one of the cornest jive turkeys on this board period and yeah it is personal and its on

Keep running your Mouth Toine. we can handle this like Grown Men or settle it on some Pimp Style Gangsta thrown down it makes no difference to me because i ain't forgot nothing.

you fake Detriot turkey. I'm Detriot than you and I ain't even from there.

everytime you respond to me i got something to counter so Shut up turkey and Moonwalk when you see me

>ya dig? you upset my lady a long time ago with your stupid
>remarks and I ain't forgot that Joe thread and your dumb
>response.

what did i say to upset her, my nigga? let me know so i can apologize.

She dug "the things your man won't do" and you was out of pocket about that toward her and she told me directly. look i ain't gotta be making up a thing and everytime you ever come at me, i'm reminded of this. that is why i avoid any conflict of interest where you are concerned and personally i thought since you never issued you were sorry that you were gonna make like Casper and leave me alone,however since you came at me in this latest remark well it open old that old wound.

we see how you playing this deck Playa

it ain't fire, 'cause me & her man go way back. so whom are you speaking of, sir? and what did i say about a song that hurt her so much?

blurred your vision. you got selective memory.

you talk about Eminem however you dealing with your own memory loss. i in boxed this to you moons ago.

i'm trying to apologize to your lady in front of these folks and you insult me, slander me and i don't respond in kind?

that's a smug ego to you?

are you going to tell me what i said and to whom or not? or are you going to continue holding a grudge?

i took the classy route back when, but you left a brother hanging. you must have forgotten, but i did say lets clear the air in box a couple years back.

>Just give the credit, and no one can say anything.
>
>But the puss-ass nigga stole it.
>
>With all that said...I think they're both very talented, but
>Meshell moves me way more.
"Bitter" is a top 10 album for me

>But Brian is no slouch. He got
>skills.
He got skills but I never listen to Brian.
Just not into that type of music these days.

>Just give credit where its due. Mofos always wanna deny credit
>to the people who created their shit.
fair enough. i don't think he should have necessarily given her songwriting credit but if he got the idea from her, he should be honest in saying that.

or u must just think other people are, so u 'play dumb' and change the subject.

you said she made it a hot intro, when in fact it was NOT a fuckin intro. that piano melody (that ya boy bit the shit out of) played throughout the entire 5 minute plus song.

i mean he didn't even wait long enough for Meshelle' song to fade from memory a little before he ran wit that shit.

that clown MOD. both them turkeys and you can Quote me

I don't think I remember that or I may not have been here then

i ain't going into no more details.

and i ain't impressed. Fire was the only one that stayed cool period.

i'm not alone. we got a Protest going down to Picket. No Justice, No Peace

and who is 'we'? who else is with you in this? name names.

real life Picket signs

what clique behaviour?

you sound paranoid, maxxx. what's going on with you?

did i miss something or is this become something other than a discussion forum ?

i stand by what i say, about the clique in here though ten fold