mindless lazy asstastic rap.

Prove otherwise!

When did this term become half ass acceptable?

without actually saying anything of substance.

AKA "Lyrical miracle spiritual" rappers

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They've got the 'words for the sake of words' style mastered

most of the time they're telling a story and you don't realize it, but they're not just saying gibberish like most people think

…those dudes are actually pretty incredible when you break down their vocals

a while back and got clowned, but they don't see it
how somebody can clown Geech (who actually started the 'I don't write' thing, that's where Jay got it from via a recording session) and big up Ghostface (who actually admits to not saying shit) is beyond me

their wordplay is incredible

I was just listening to tracks from his first album the other day, not sure why he came to mind but he had a couple Primo-produced bangers on that joint. Body of the Life Force I think it's called? I owned it when it first came out. The title itself is a rappity rap title haha. The fuck does it even mean?

And yea - lyrically he was all over the place. Only saving grace was Primo's beats really. He flowed well but just didn't...say shit.

where Afu Ra is talking about using his lyrics masturbating or something, that shit was a mess

is just as lazy

it's only dope, "conscious" "gangster" "lyrical miracle" or otherwise, when it's done correctly

"It's lame when people use the phrase "rappity rap" in a negative way, to downplay the skill and effort it takes to write multisyllabic rhymes/patterns/punchlines/etc. Usually the people who use the phrase "rappity rap" negatively to slight good rappers, are doing it to justify lazy non-technical wack rappers. I prefer "rappity rap" to lazy rappers that don't sound like they are trying."

the responses seem to think he was flat out saying "Rappity Rap is lame."

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>"It's lame when people use the phrase "rappity rap" in a
>negative way, to downplay the skill and effort it takes to
>write multisyllabic rhymes/patterns/punchlines/etc. Usually
>the people who use the phrase "rappity rap" negatively to
>slight good rappers, are doing it to justify lazy
>non-technical wack rappers. I prefer "rappity rap" to lazy
>rappers that don't sound like they are trying."

Definitely what OP meant.

To counter point, "rappity raps" with no substance are just as mediocre as lazy, non-technical wack rappers.

Making enjoyable, well structured songs and entertaining hooks are essential parts of the song structure lost on "rappity rappers" but a strength of the lazy, non-technical wack rappers. Which is more important? Depends on the listener.

Personally, I believe the greats combine the ability to be lyrical, witty and creative while still being able to choose quality hooks, pick enjoyable beats, and make great MUSIC (defined as "vocal or instrumental sounds (or both) combined in such a way as to produce beauty of form, harmony, and expression of emotion.")

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I'm struggling to see what your point is

I think the closest we get is early Eminem?

That's pretty big

rigamortus is rappity rap to me.

Rakim? After all, he was the OG lyrical/miracle/spiritual rapper.

It's quite a few rappity rap emcees who are well known, they might not have a big of an impact as Eminem but that's cause of other reasons but Rakim, Big Daddy Kane, Nas, Redman, Method Man, Big Punisher, Pharoahe Monch, Talib Kweli, Keith Murray, all are in that category, almost every artist I mention has a gold album or gold single and are definitely can spit; but all these kats were in an era where you had to be better than the rest lyrically to get ahead, but it was a lot of others who were just as good but couldn't get that perfect single to get major airplay.

Both of them had Gold-selling albums.

... "rappity rap" MCs tho, IMO.

Not sure who we consider rappity rap though. Pharoahe Monch can do the rappity rap shit but dude can craft good songs too.

....I was thinking the same thing some days ago.



Since 1976

Don't hate on real hip-hop not that rap stuff they play on radio.

Folks use it in a negative way and/or to explain skillful rhyming that isn't necessarily message-filled. I even seen rappers use it to downplay their desire to display said skill. For example, Jean Grae this weekend at A3C said it twice during her set ("Here's some rappity rap shit for you") and really, she was just showing how dope she was.

I hate that term.

backpacker that's being used as a slight.

I remember during the indie Fat Beats heyday
the jiggy/backpacker split was pretty clearly defined

At most jiggy clubs the crowd was heavily black and latino, with plenty of women and some token YT girls here and there.
YT dudes were sometimes DJin or behind the scenes industry cats

At the backpacker jams, the reverse was the case
a vanilla sausage fest with like 3 chicks and 2 black and latino dudes

I went to both kinds of parties, cuz I was into Nore and Co Flow
they were both equally dope to me in their own style
I got into many debates defending both
but of course the vast majority into one scene didn't fuck with the other type

It was mutual disdain

"Fuck all that off the wall God body space shit that don't even make no sense"
"That ain't Hip Hop! fuck Puffy! It's all about the 4 elements! keep it real!"

>I remember during the indie Fat Beats heyday
>the jiggy/backpacker split was pretty clearly defined

this is part of the reason the late 90s SUCKED so bad for hip hop... go back to 88-94 and you have everyone more on the same page when it came to what was dope and what was garbage.. When the DJ put on "come clean" the dancefloor went nuts.. it wasn't some backpacker shit, it was the STANDARD DOPE SHIT.

Fast Forward to 97/98 and like you said, people liked the "jiggy" shit OR the backpacker shit. Shortly after that, everyone lost their identity when clear channel started playing national playlists on radio stations instead of the local shit.. and thats how hip hop fell apart and got wack to a lot of people.

>this is part of the reason the late 90s SUCKED so bad for hip
>hop... go back to 88-94 and you have everyone more on the
>same page when it came to what was dope and what was garbage..
> When the DJ put on "come clean" the dancefloor went nuts.. it
>wasn't some backpacker shit, it was the STANDARD DOPE SHIT.
>
>Fast Forward to 97/98 and like you said, people liked the
>"jiggy" shit OR the backpacker shit. Shortly after that,
>everyone lost their identity when clear channel started
>playing national playlists on radio stations instead of the
>local shit.. and thats how hip hop fell apart and got wack to
>a lot of people.
>

Whole-heartedly agree.

There just wasn't balance both generally in hip-hop and even in the music made by each artist by the late 90's.

It wasn't uncommon in the mid nineties to have more 'backpack' rap to have danceable songs (De La with A Roller Skating Jam Named Saturday) and even gangsta rap to have the 'Lil Ghetto Boy' reflective, cautionary track on each album.

But Ready to Die, even though on paper was really balanced, was a line in the sand regarding someone's tastes. I guess the album was so well done that even though Biggie's performance on the album was legendary there were people (including myself) who distanced myself from the music because Biggie was so unapologetically jiggy.

He had no interest in repping the culture of hip-hop for the sake of supporting the culture. He used his skills as a way to make money for himself. And at that time, hip-hop as a culture wasn't mature to either self-police or accept and roll with Biggie's bold statement to reject the modesty a lot of hip hop artists had about their role in the culture.

Like you said by the time the late 90's rolled around, few artists were able to break through solely by repping more old-school ideals. Acts like Jay and Big and 2Pac had no interest in putting on the overground acts like The Roots and Common and Mos, not that they were even looking to make an effort to appeal to the mainstream.

And that generation was still more integrated than the early Aughts.

#canitallbesosimplethen

>Acts like Jay and Big and 2Pac had no interest in
>putting on the overground acts like The Roots and
>Common and Mos, not that they were even looking to
>make an effort to appeal to the mainstream.

I think that was the only time a real big rapper put on another group, I know Mr.15 was the happiest when he mentioned it in here they was working on a show with Jay, that kind of opened the doors for them (and Jay helping them get signed to DefJam) cause that started the whole Roots collaboration phase, with artists such as Pharrell, Al Green, Betty Wright, not to mention that Dave Chappelle dvd concert kind of helped them as well, plus Questo DJing gigs, which got the attention of Jimmy Fallon and them becoming a tv show band, then doing more collaboration albums with people like John Legend, Elvis Costello, doing the remix Hamilton soundtrack, etc.

With biggie & tupac I don't think were in situations to put anybody on except their own crew cause at the time they were still getting bigger & bigger stars every month, with them dying is what made them bigger than life, but tupac was too busy making enemies rather than friends right before he died.

>"Fuck all that off the wall God body space shit that don't
>even make no sense"

and now I'm replying to it.